who would you vote for, then?
Why do you dislike Hilary Clinton?
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who would you vote for, then?
BoosterDuck
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Da-Kid
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I don't trust him either.
BoosterDuck
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well ok then glad we got that cleared up have a good day sir
Da-Kid
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eBay Huckster
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just take a look at the other sterling choices this shitty garbage electorate has given us:
jill stein, whose platform is functionally identical to clinton's except in energy policy (where she'd shut down 1/5 of total US energy production), food policy (where she'd shut down 90% of the 9 crops with approved GM variants because of feels), and education policy (where she'd bail out graduate students instead of making it easier for everyone else to pay off existing loans)
gary johnson, who knows approximately nothing relevant to the commander-in-chief position the president holds, represents a party that wants to eliminate every government agency that isn't based on national defense, wants to eliminate every safety net program, and thinks climate change is a less pressing concern than the sun exploding 5 billion years from now
BoosterDuck
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my point is that I have a crush on you let's chat bb
Minds changing is not bullshit.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The email story is the most overblown political story of my lifetime.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/5/1566896/-E-Ghazi-The-FBI-report-that-exonerates-Clinton
So yes, take issue with what she actually did wrong, but not what the FBI Director and Republicans are being intentionally misleading about, or just plain lying.
Da-Kid
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Minds changing to fit an agenda is. I'm not buying it.
Well thank fuck people have changed their minds to fit an agenda and now gay marriage is allowed. Whew.
Melkezadek
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Well in that respect, I definitely agree. You're consistent with that, but some people like to speak out of both sides of their mouth.
I didn't mean to imply I was speaking about you specifically; I can see how I came across that way.
Decently said if mostly ignored or outright misinterpreted. This thread is basically a made to out and shame people and that's just not right. I can dislike Hillary and have whatever opinion on her but that doesn't mean I don't respect her or think she's the right person for the job. It's very sad that people however can't accept this.
Da-Kid
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no, i mean who would you vote for out of anyone, living or dead
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Or, you know she could actually mean it if you look at what she has done.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/01/hillary-clinton-lgbt-_n_7706748.html
After all actions speak louder than words right?
eBay Huckster
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yeah, those pesky agendas like "actually paying attention to nuance instead of charging in half-cocked" and "not posting 13-minute videos that are half filler and half shit taken out of context", god forbid people abide by those like they mostly have for the last 4 months
Abstrusity
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Eh, I'm okay with her. Most of the issues I had were DWS related, anyway, and she's not very common in the news, lately. Out of sight, out of mind, etc.
When Sanders scored some pretty good policy concessions out of the DNC itself and Hillary transitioned with his backing, I was pretty happy about it. The bolder policy of the DNC was all I REALLY wanted, anyway.
When Sanders scored some pretty good policy concessions out of the DNC itself and Hillary transitioned with his backing, I was pretty happy about it. The bolder policy of the DNC was all I REALLY wanted, anyway.
Da-Kid
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I'm not understanding. Who would I vote for hypothetically or out of any politician?
Then why you make it seem like if it was an issue that only Hillary has?
Melkezadek
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"I can dislike her if I think she's only with Bill Clinton to advance her career, I'm still gonna vote for her! It's very sad you can't accept this."
Is the statement you allow to exist by what you just said if this thread is anything to go by. Doesn't that sound stupid as hell?
-sdp
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Posters in this thread are definitely a reason for my dislike of Hillary Clinton. All those negatives many here are blowing off as not important are definitely true, she isn't a good person by any mean and it perplexes me people try to dismiss these things but I still think she'll be a good president though but I'd never consider her being in it for the good of the people.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Care to list negatives with actual evidence?
Laughing Banana
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You know what, just read my conversation with Melkezadek in here.
Melkezadek
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"Not a good person by any means."
Only a person who doesn't know anything about what she has actually DONE can utter anything like that. You might not like her personality, which is fair. But not a good person? Someone who is in public service? John McCain is a person I disagree on probably every position that matters, and I couldn't call him "not a good person ". He's a veteran and served this country. He obviously cares about someone enough to die for them. I disagree with his foreign policy vehemently, but he's still a good person. He voted on the war in Iraq, but I wouldn't call him a bad person.
What has Hillary done political to undermine all the good she has done in her life? That is nonsense.
Da-Kid
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It's like talking to Justin Bieber fans, you just let people be, they'll learn at the point of no return.
Well this sure doesn't make a lick of sense.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I also love the lack of any rebuttals when you provide sources which challenge their preconceived notions.
BoosterDuck
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Is that what is being said? I can't see why I should take responsibility for other people that do things independently of me, think of opinions independently of me, or say things independently of me.
I dislike her personally because I live in D.C. I know people who worked at the State Department when she headed it. I've heard from multiple people about Hillary and their time interacting with her and seeing her. Those are the things that color my opinion of her.
Disliking her for staying Bill is something might be what other people are saying but it's not my job to apologize for anyone having that opinion. Equally someone's marital status, whatever it may be, should never impact someone's qualifications for a job, especially if that job is Head of State.
JesseEwiak
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Compared to the rest of Europe freaking out about Muslim's, Merkel looks like a saint and that's coming from somebody who thinks she largely did fuck over Greece and other European countries during the 2008 crash.
hmm, i suppose out of anyone
Besthelboy
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I dislike her because she's a hawk, but other than that she's made some big missteps. Trying to handwave all the criticisms (and there are some good criticisms) is just fanboying. Yes she's much, much better than Trump and she needs to be in office and I hope she is, but she's not perfect and a lot of people on here are being too aggressive against anyone who might have a problem with her.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So instead of, you know, trying to have a conversation with people making valid points, you just handwave away everyone posting here as "Trying to handwave all the criticisms"
Good to know I guess?
BoosterDuck
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but Hillary is perfect though
she's the queen empress of America
she's the queen empress of America
UnemployedVillain
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This is embarrassing
BudokaiMR2
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Personally don't really dislike her that much at all.
Just kind of lukewarm on her as I am with most politicians.
I believe that a lot of problems in the country could be turned around with a lot of very simple common sense decisions.
And of course I will be voting for her this term as I do for every democratic nominee (though I skipped voting Obama in for the second term because of laziness and the fact he felt like a shoe-in that time).
My biggest hangup is that I just hate the idea of dynasties in the presidency, although I do understand that it's not equatable to something like Dubyah as she is an extremely experienced and intelligent politician in her own right.
Considering this was probably some political event, which is kinda obvious since she is pouring for herself it's probable that's a fresh keg where a pour like that is gonna be common and basically impossible to avoid.
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Just kind of lukewarm on her as I am with most politicians.
I believe that a lot of problems in the country could be turned around with a lot of very simple common sense decisions.
And of course I will be voting for her this term as I do for every democratic nominee (though I skipped voting Obama in for the second term because of laziness and the fact he felt like a shoe-in that time).
My biggest hangup is that I just hate the idea of dynasties in the presidency, although I do understand that it's not equatable to something like Dubyah as she is an extremely experienced and intelligent politician in her own right.
Considering this was probably some political event, which is kinda obvious since she is pouring for herself it's probable that's a fresh keg where a pour like that is gonna be common and basically impossible to avoid.
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Besthelboy
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I didn't say everyone posting here is doing that.
NoblesseOblige
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What I dislike about Hillary is that she gets crap she doesn't deserve and wouldn't be getting had she been a male candidate. That's the fault of bigots and the ignorant though.
Melkezadek
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It's being said all over the thread. People are actually making Bill's infidelity, a reason to dislike her. Questioning whether or not if it was for his name or because she loved him because she stayed with him, is ridiculous and not to be respected. When you say that people should be allowed to dislike her for whatever reason and not be called out on it, I call bullshit.
The only reason turn a blind eye to such foolishness is because you already don't like her. Even if I'm on the same side as others that criticize her legitimately, I still have to call out the bullshit like that. Embracing them only weakens your position.
shinra-bansho
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I'm trying to avoid falling down this rabbit hole of a thread, but this was just too amusing.
This defense of blatant sexism comes from such a position of privilege, you're probably not even aware of it yourself.
This is the equivalent of someone saying: well I also don't think that we'd need a Straight Pride Parade or White History Month, if straight white men were the minority groups. Or we don't need equal pay protections, because if women were paid more than men for the work they do, then I'd still be opposed to it. Why can't they just use the bathroom that matches their genitals like everybody else? It works for me.
Her merits don't matter. She had a successful husband.
And it's not sexist, because on Earth-2, where there have been more than 30-odd elected female Senators in history, one of whom was Clinton, where all of the 44 US Presidents prior were women.
In that scenario, where there hasn't been an institutional bias against women holding elected office, and they were in fact in the position of historical power.
In this fantasy concoction, well then you'd also be saying the same thing about the husband of a former President running for office, even if he was a successful lawyer, with a strong civil rights work history, student political background, and had given a commencement speech that put him on the cover of LIFE magazine.
Despite that in this world that we actually do live in, even in the event a woman is successful, society does not attribute the success of a given male spouse as the result of this.
QuantumZebra
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Yoshi
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Asa left-leaning person, I dislike her, though of course not nearly as much as Obama because:
- her entanglement with business makes left tax / social security politics very unlikely. Much needed raises in tax, improvement in solidary welfare systems and free education are unlikely under her
- I take offense in the way she won the nomination, being heavily favoured by the party
- naturally, since she has now twice been the conservative alternative canadidate to a fantastic left-leaning candidate (best US president Obama and Sanders), I feel like she is the very definition of a lesser evil
- her tendency to blatantly and publicly lie both in small issues (her sickness) and in big issues (her mail stuff) does not inspire confidence
I cannot vote in the US, if I could, I would vote her, but begrudgingly so. She is, to me, the US-Merkel, i.e. a very safe, conservative candidate who just says whatever she thinks currently goes well with the voting public and will not get any important changes done.
- her entanglement with business makes left tax / social security politics very unlikely. Much needed raises in tax, improvement in solidary welfare systems and free education are unlikely under her
- I take offense in the way she won the nomination, being heavily favoured by the party
- naturally, since she has now twice been the conservative alternative canadidate to a fantastic left-leaning candidate (best US president Obama and Sanders), I feel like she is the very definition of a lesser evil
- her tendency to blatantly and publicly lie both in small issues (her sickness) and in big issues (her mail stuff) does not inspire confidence
I cannot vote in the US, if I could, I would vote her, but begrudgingly so. She is, to me, the US-Merkel, i.e. a very safe, conservative candidate who just says whatever she thinks currently goes well with the voting public and will not get any important changes done.
A person becomes a good person by working for the military? I.e. the organisation that pays their employees for legal killings? Sorry, I have to strongly disagree. This is not to say that persons serving in military are bad people per se, but if they are good people, they are good people despite working as professional killers.
RustyNails
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-She is campaigning on raising taxes for the wealthy. You're sorely mistaken if you think she won't.
-You can take offense as much as you want. Bernie did not win a single Deep South state primary: Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas and even liberal states like California and New York. There is absolutely nothing that DNC did that made Bernie lose these states. His campaign did not appeal to minorities and black voters. Hillary had nothing to do with the way the DNC treated her (she did not ask them to handicap Bernie), and Bernie had nothing to do with DNC regarding his electoral loss. Those things do not tie together.
-Hillary is actually more liberal than Obama, if you know your politics.
-Not going to bother with emails and health sickness. Ridiculous assertions.
Yoshi
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- She has promised this to counter Sanders, yet I don't believe she will act on this when she is president.
- I don't want to say Sanders would necessariy have won, yet her nomination was not a fair process.
- I was not talking about liberal or not here. Actually, liberal is not something I would call left per se. Social welfare issues, free education, significantly raised taxes, these are not "liberal" topis. In fact, one could argue they are the opposite of liberal. Yet, those points are significantly more important to me than say gay marriage. Yes, society should be as liberal as possible, but the US is not a bad place in that regard at all. It is a bad place when it comes to economic and social fairness. Particularly the education system is the biggest hurdle to equal chances and, from my perspective, the most important issue that maintains an ethnical gap in the US. This also is an important reason, I am bewildered that Sanders was unpopular with black people for instance, because no other single move could help easing the path for true equality as effectively as making all levels of education free to all.
- See, I don't think that the issues themselves are so important, but having your subordinates destroy evidence and having your team knowingly give false information regarding your health is not good form. In fact, the issues being so trivial, yet her being so quick to lie about them is not inspiring a lot of confidence here.
Aaronology
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pathological liar
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pathological-liar
noun
1.
a person who tells lies frequently, with no rational motive for doing so.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pathological-liar
noun
1.
a person who tells lies frequently, with no rational motive for doing so.
Meanwhile, in reality:
STUDY SHOWS GOP CANDIDATES WHO LIE THE MOST, DO THE BEST
http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/01/a-winning-gop-formula-lie-more-do-better/
Fact: Hillary Clinton Is One of America's Most Honest Politicians. Trump is one of the biggest liars
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/1/1555457/-Fact-Hillary-Clinton-Is-One-of-America-s-Most-Honest-Politicians-Trump-is-one-of-the-biggest-liars
Falsehood Face-Off
Statements since 2007 by presidential candidates (and some current and former officeholders) ranked from most dishonest over all to least dishonest, as fact-checked by PolitiFact. Pants on Fire refers to the most egregious falsehoods.
Presenting Data Truthfully Using Charts
http://jem9.com/data-presentation-charts/
One Chart Addresses a Misconception About Hillary Clinton
http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-compares-presidential-candidates-honesty
Clinton's Fictional Trust Issue
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-09-29/how-media-fuel-the-narrative-that-clinton-isnt-honest-and-trustworthy
The truth (so far) behind the 2016 campaign
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jun/29/fact-checking-2016-clinton-trump/
Hillary Clinton Is the Most Truthful Candidate in the 2016 Race
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clinton-most-truthful-candidate/
A fact checker looked into 158 things Donald Trump said. 78 percent were false.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/01/donald-trump-has-been-wrong-way-more-often-than-all-the-other-2016-candidates-combined/
The Increasing Problem With the Misinformed
https://www.baekdal.com/analysis/the-increasing-problem-with-the-misinformed
The public is no longer uninformed. They are misinformed, and that requires an entirely different editorial focus. When writing for the uninformed, your focus is to report the news, which is what every newspaper is doing today. But when focusing on the misinformed, just reporting the news doesn't actually solve the public's needs. Now your focus must be on explaining the news instead.
So, in this article, we will talk about the rise of the misinformed using some really interesting data, as well as the threat to freedom of the press. And we will talk about how these two things are directly impacting your ability to succeed as a news company.
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