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Why I like the PSP

This one seems to be going under the radar, but I'm looking forward to Crave's Pinball Hall of Fame which is supposed to be out by the end of the month:

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/puzzle/pinballhalloffame/news.html?sid=6136881

12 Gottlieb pinball machines recreated, sounds like game sharing can be used for any table, and it even lets you display the table vertically on the screen. Looks pretty good in screens:

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callous said:
Uhm, yes, exactly. That scenario could still happen with the PSP (or the DS, I guess).

As for something like Ngage, I mentioned it because it certainly got its share of ridicule without ever really arriving. Much more than PSP.

My point is, trying to turn the dislike of the PSP into something positive, a stabilising factor even, doesn't make much logical or historical sense.
Of course the scenario could still happen to the PSP (short-lived success) and in that situation you'd accordingly see the level of passionate disdain drop off. I didn't infer that it was a "stabilizing factor" of any kind, merely an indicator - the canary in a coal mine for just about any new product.

Ngage perhaps got a higher ratio of ridicule to compliments, as compared to the PSP, but it certainly doesn't match the PSP for sheer volume of ridicule - the canaries have been chirping away with healthy vigor on that front since the PSP was announced at E3 2003. Sometimes its hard to remember, in the midst of all that racket, that its actually a good sign. But then, like I mentioned in the first place, you have to remind yourself what happened with a product like the Tapwave Zodiac.
 
Agent X said:
It is, in essence, another high-quality video game system that just happens to be portable.

That's been my problem with portables since the Game Boy. I don't care about portability. I want to play these games on a screen larger than a few inches. The problem was eventually solved with the Super Game Boy, and again with the Game Boy Player. The PSP should've had a built-in TV-out.


They're not merely "good for a handheld" (as if being on a handheld gave some excuse to put out inferior software), but legitimately good games that are worth playing on whatever system they happen to be on.

I've always felt that way about handheld games. The PSP didn't change anything there--it isn't going to change the crap-vs-good ratio. No system ever has, or is likely to. Anyone who says otherwise about the PSP is blinded by its specs.



Even games that are ports of or sequels to PS2 games are worth playing.

I'm not complaining about the ports themselves--Pure is a better game than Fusion, no question. I was only worried about them crowding out the other games--the 2D and the 'quick fix' games that have been the handhelds' domain for a while now, which don't have a home on consoles anymore. But it looks like that won't happen--the DS and PSP have already carved out their roles pretty well (with some crossover), and it all looks rosy.


The majority of 2D games on the GBA couldn't compete with the best Genesis and SNES games of the early to mid 1990s.

Of course they don't. News flash: the majority of SNES and Genesis games couldn't compete with "the best Genesis and SNES games", either. That's why they're "the best". But the GBA does have quite a few games that are as good or better than top SNES/Genesis games (the Castlevanias, for instance). Not as many total, I'd say, but it's not the primary focus of development these days, either. We'll see how well the PSP library stacks up to that of the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox in 4 or 5 years.


Fortunately, there have been some high-quality 2D games released for the PSP, with plenty more on the horizon. With the PSP, we just might get a worthwhile 2D revival after all! :)

Wait...you're saying that the PSP will save 2D? :lol
 
bridegur said:
The PSP is a huge temptation, but it just seems too fragile.

Today, I dropped mine straight down into the floor for the third time. Landed on the screen side too, and slid across the floor a bit. My heart skipped a beat or two, but it had taken no damage at all (no major scratches either). It's not as fragile as it looks - it's just that it's so hard to resist taking good care of it. :)
 
Leondexter said:
Is it innovative to "bring console style gameplay to handhelds"? I don't think so. I'm actually kind of bitter about the PSP, even while I'm enjoying it, because these games could have been PS2 games, and better off for it. I used to hate the Game Boy in the same way (with the added bonus hate of b/w vs. color), until 2D console games died and the GBA saved them from extinction. Once the handheld market ceased to be a stripped-down version of the console market and got its own identity (even if that was just 2D nostalgia), I warmed up to it. The PSP brings it back to being just a clone of the console world again. Thankfully, the DS is here to keep 2D on life support, and even bring some new things to the table to give portables their own identity beyond nostalgia or console-cloning. And it looks like both machines can thrive, if not peacefully.


Have you noticed the number of 2D games coming for the PSP? A lot of them look gorgeous.
 
Ceb said:
Today, I dropped mine straight down into the floor for the third time. Landed on the screen side too, and slid across the floor a bit. My heart skipped a beat or two, but it had taken no damage at all (no major scratches either). It's not as fragile as it looks - it's just that it's so hard to resist taking good care of it. :)

I'm on my second PSP. My original system, a Japanese launch unit, had a tiny drop from a counter, which completely destroyed the screen over the summer. Guess some people are luckier than others. :)
 
The PSP just doesn't do it for me. Very few games that I'd want to pay money for. I happen to be in the market for a portable music/video player and the psp features are lackluster enough to put it out of consideration. Hell, even the screen is underwhelming. At this rate it'll take 3 years before enough good games come out to make it worth buying.
 
BlackClouds said:
The PSP just doesn't do it for me. Very few games that I'd want to pay money for. I happen to be in the market for a portable music/video player and the psp features are lackluster enough to put it out of consideration. Hell, even the screen is underwhelming. At this rate it'll take 3 years before enough good games come out to make it worth buying.

And your purpose for posting in a "Why I like my PSP thread"? Do you just like being "different"?
 
BlackClouds said:
The PSP just doesn't do it for me. Very few games that I'd want to pay money for. I happen to be in the market for a portable music/video player and the psp features are lackluster enough to put it out of consideration. Hell, even the screen is underwhelming. At this rate it'll take 3 years before enough good games come out to make it worth buying.

I'm sorry you hate good games :(
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
And your purpose for posting in a "Why I like my PSP thread"? Do you just like being "different"?


What excuse do you have for starting a thread that serves no purpose other than to stand around in a circle, and jerk? Start shit, get shit...is what I say. Frankly, I'm surprised there's more than 5 people who'd agree with you, but I was being nice, now you've messed that up.

Far as good games on the psp, it's starting out extremely slow, like every Sony system, but it'll probably be around in 3 years and then will probably have enough for me to get it. Which was what I was trying to get across. I'm not missing out and don't pretend to act like I am.
 
BlackClouds said:
What excuse do you have for starting a thread that serves no purpose other than to stand around in a circle, and jerk? Start shit, get shit...is what I say. Frankly, I'm surprised there's more than 5 people who'd agree with you, but I was being nice, now you've messed that up.

Far as good games on the psp, it's starting out extremely slow, like every Sony system, but it'll probably be around in 3 years and then will probably have enough for me to get it. Which was what I was trying to get across. I'm not missing out and don't pretend to act like I am.


Being nice? What a passive-aggressive asshole you are.

And what is the forum but a big circle jerk to videogames, anyway?

Fuck off.
 
What excuse do you have for starting a thread that serves no purpose other than to stand around in a circle, and jerk?
What excuse does he need? It's a thread about a game platform in a game forum. Discussion threads are meant to have a specific purpose encapsulated in their title and their first post, otherwise we'd just post in freeform blogging fashion to a single monolithic discussion thread, specifically depriving guys like yourself the opportunity to come in, completely ignore the purpose of the topic and do your best to derail it. :P
 
I'm no Drinky Crow (particularly as I don't hate the DS) but I titled this thread knowing it would infuriate a certain subcuture of GAF. And I note, none of them have bothered making a thread dedicated to something they like. :)

The thread title also acts as insurance that anybody who comes in to put down the PSP or derail has no leg to stand on. What part of "Why I love the PSP" is hard to understand? :)

Now that I've admitted all that, we'll probably see a troll renewal. but between the trolls, there's been some cool stuff. Screenshots and impressions of games not normally talked about are always good. Circle jerk my ass.
 
BlackClouds said:
What excuse do you have for starting a thread that serves no purpose other than to stand around in MIMIMImimimiMIMiMIMImImImImImImImImImImimiMimimiMImi!!! am.

Can't afford a PSP, eh? Sounds to me like someone needs to start

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I probably got more in the bank than you do, since you seem to have all this time to play a hundred medicore games that I'm supposedly missing out on you can't possibly have a real job. I have no desire to waste my money on something that would gather dust. Both you and ignant have a problem with people who have a different opinion than yours, I suggest you deal with it.

Besides, others in this thread are talking more about the DS than the PSP for christ sakes, the thread has long had its shit pushed in.
 
To the original point:

Another reason I like my PSP: My new 2GB memory card. I just ripped Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Iron Giant. I didn't buy the PSP to watch movies on, but it's very cool that I can. I've been building up quite a little library of ripped DVDs on my computer to toss onto the PSP for some on the go watching.

Edit: BlackClouds, that is the weakest defense I've heard on a message board in a long time.
 
BlackClouds said:
I probably got more in the bank than you do, since you seem to have all this time to play a hundred medicore games that I'm supposedly missing out on you can't possibly have a real job. I have no desire to waste my money on something that would gather dust. Both you and ignant have a problem with people who have a different opinion than yours, I suggest you deal with it.


They have problems with jackasses that can't read the thread title they fucking post in. Though actually I fully believe you knew EXACTLY what you were posting in and the agenda for it. That just makes you all the more pathetic though. That and this statement...

Hell, even the screen is underwhelming.

You officially fail at life. Nothing more needs to be said for insecure little fanboys hiding their agenda wrapped in the shroud of "But it's my opinion, wah wah"
 
You capitulated to my side anyways, insinuating the whole forum is a circle jerk, thus making your thread just what I said it was. Like you have room to talk...homeboy.

I'll give you a hint...you could've made something that was informative...but all you want to see is your own fluffy ass opinion parroted over and over. The truth will stand up to all criticism, so don't shy from it next time. If you truly believe what you believe.
 
Oh goody, you win. Except you were putting me down for being in a circle jerk, and now agree with the sentiment that the forum is one.

Re: the truth. Read my posts in this thread, and you won't see me shy from any truths about the PSP, even though I intend the optimistic slant (and why shouldn't I? I really *do* like my PSP).

So, asshat, care to answer my original question? Which was, what's the purpsoe of postiing negativity in a thread about the good things about PSP? I suspect your attitude has betrayed your purpose-- you want to troll, flame, and fight. If you have any other purpose, it's been lost.
 
BlackClouds said:
I probably got more in the bank than you do, since you seem to have all this time to play a hundred medicore games that I'm supposedly missing out on you can't possibly have a real job.

Yes, but by god, you should see the size of my wang!

edit: btw I just got promoted to assistant manager, and I am going to hock a loogie into your taco the next time you hit the drive-thru!
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Another reason I like my PSP: My new 2GB memory card
I'm waiting on the 2 gig cards until they get closer to $100. I'm hoping the release of the Giga Pack helps to drive down prices further than they've already gone, since it will be putting 1 gig cards out in the wild for only a $50 perceived premium over 32 meg cards in the standard pack.
 
kaching said:
I'm waiting on the 2 gig cards until they get closer to $100. I'm hoping the release of the Giga Pack helps to drive down prices further than they've already gone, since it will be putting 1 gig cards out in the wild for only a $50 perceived premium over 32 meg cards in the standard pack.

It's a luxury. If I didn't need to buy a new card anyway then I wouldn't have gone to 2GB. 1GB really is plenty, unless you're in the pirate crowd.

But if you have the cash, that space is really nice. I've been loading up on movies and baby pictures, and next up, a bunch more homebrew stuff.

Speaking of homebrew, outside of emulators, what games or apps do people really like?
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Oh goody, you win. Except you were putting me down for being in a circle jerk, and now agree with the sentiment that the forum is one.

Re: the truth. Read my posts in this thread, and you won't see me shy from any truths about the PSP, even though I intend the optimistic slant (and why shouldn't I? I really *do* like my PSP).

So, asshat, care to answer my original question? Which was, what's the purpsoe of postiing negativity in a thread about the good things about PSP? I suspect your attitude has betrayed your purpose-- you want to troll, flame, and fight. If you have any other purpose, it's been lost.


I really shouldn't be giving you the time of day ignant, but I read about 10 posts in a row talking about the DS in this so called PSP thread, so I wanted to give my 2 cents, especialy with folks saying it's impossible for somebody to think the PSP has no good games. You're the one who jumped the shark on the issue giving attitude (I gave absolutely none in my first post). Save me from your paranoid assumptions.

Far as the forum being a circle jerk, much of the forum aspires to be one, so yeah, I already agreed with the sentiment, still makes your thread suck cock though. Can't have a real discussion without a counterpoint anyways. It's already established that you have no desire for a real discussion, just BS, as normal around here.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I love that it's not embarassing to play in public...unlike certain other systems.

Yeah, I'd be embarrassed to play a Gizmondo in public too.

Oh wait, you meant a NINTENDO system. I really don't think people give two shits whether it's a PSP or a DS you're playing.
 
silenttwn said:
Yeah, I'd be embarrassed to play a Gizmondo in public too.

Oh wait, you meant a NINTENDO system. I really don't think people give two shits whether it's a PSP or a DS you're playing.

This is totally off topic, but I think the DS flip-up screen does make it more embarassing to play in public. Not that I think that matters, I don't usually play any system in public except the occasional bus trip, and there, I do not care.

The GBA-SP has no embrassment factor at all, IMHO. Elegant.
 
I'm not faulting your choice to go for 2 gig cards now, IM. I'm in the market too, just waiting a little longer is all.

Personally, the appeal to go to 2 gig is to make use of the space as a gaming jukebox for the ISOs of PSPs games I legitimately own and homebrew games. Nothing to do with piracy. 1 gig isn't enough when you'd like to carry around something like Gripshift (600-700 meg if I remember right), Wipeout Pure (400 meg) plus all of the downloadable content they support. Hell, as games featuring DLC and level editors become more common on the PSP, I expect that content alone to start taking up a significant portion of a 1 gig card.

As for non-emulation homebrew, favorites for me are Squarez, Bookr for .txt and .pdf reading (though the pdf support is still sketchy) and PSPChess. I've also been meaning to take a look at the LUA Player and all the scripts that have been created for it.
 
BlackClouds said:
Far as the forum being a circle jerk, much of the forum aspires to be one, so yeah, I already agreed with the sentiment, still makes your thread suck cock though. Can't have a real discussion without a counterpoint anyways. It's already established that you have no desire for a real discussion, just BS, as normal around here.

Heh, Black's on point here...a discussion is an exchange of ideas, and you guys are basically saying any point that's negative towards PSP isn't welcome. Which makes it a circle jerk. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Besides, what did he say that was so offensive anyway? He didn't say "fuck the PSP, it'll never be good"...he simply said right now it doesn't interest him, but down the road it might. And you're taking offense to that? I've seen far worse said on this board.

I'm in a similiar boat...I love the PSP tech, but there's maybe three games I'd consider buying for it at the moment, and only one at full price. I'm basically waiting for Mame to be fully developed and at least one price drop before I grab this thing. The emulators are gonna be what makes this machine for me...the ability to play classic arcade games, Genny, SNES, C64 and Amiga games anywhere is a huge selling point. Buying watered down versions of current gen games doesn't interest me at all. If I wanna play Winning Eleven or TOCA, I'd rather just play it on a real TV with a real controller.

I think what PSP needs is more arcade ports...in my mind it's the only thing worth buying for and playing on portables in terms of new games. Games that could be played for five or ten minutes, an hour, or anywhere in between. I've said for a while that I'm hoping that Sega ports the best of it's Model 2, 3 and Naomi games in the future, and if Sega used the DS for System 16 and 32 games, I'd buy it for those as well. If arcade compilations become a staple for PSP I'd do my best to support those efforts (provided I like those games), even if I have Mame versions already.
 
Shinobi: I never said negative comments weren't welcome. But I do take offense to somebody who comes in to do *nothing* but disagree. Imagine 3 or 4 people are standing on a corner talking about the things they liked about Batman Begins, and then somebody walks up and says "I hated that movie" and then walks off. What's the point? Not to mention that BC made a point of putting down the screen. If that's not trolling, then I'm the Pope.

And like I said, the forum already has plenty of DS vs PSP talk, and it's mostly garbage. Worse, it crepps into just about every DS or PSP thread, on topic or not. So I created a thread where it is specifically *off* topic. Becuase assholes who don't see any games they like for system X are rife on the board, and I don't think they need any more audience then they already have.

kaching: I was more backing you up on not needing one until it's cheaper. I get the uses. But it is a luxury if you own the UMDs already.
 
Shinobi said:
Heh, Black's on point here...a discussion is an exchange of ideas, and you guys are basically saying any point that's negative towards PSP isn't welcome. Which makes it a circle jerk. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
A discussion is generally accepted to be an exchange of ideas on a particular topic. See there's this concept of focus that a lot of people around here seem to lack a firm grasp of.

But we get it, what you and BC are basically saying, on topic, is that what you like about the PSP is its potential to ultimately appeal to both of you. :)
 
Exactly...it's something I can't say about the DS (System 16/32 ports showing up aside), but then I don't enter DS threads anyway.
 
For those confused about the topic-- have you ever been in a forum or newsgroup which wasn't adversarial in nature? They exist. Sure, there's some debate, but the end purpose of the discussion isn't argument.

Take a look at the "appreciation" threads that pop up from time to time. Or the threads abotu recent movie releases in the OT. They don't seem to require an opposition viewpoint to work. And certainly not one that's designed for just for the sake of argument (like "the PSP screen is underwhelming" when it's been reviewed by just about eveybody, even people down on the device, as an amazing screen).

This forum doesn't have to be a cesspool if we don't want it to be.
 
Zilch said:
There is not a single piece of software available for the PSP I would consider paying money for.

And we start over again.

Anyway, good for you. Now go away, if you have nothing to appreciate about the PSP. There's plenty of threads where you can bitch about it already.
 
silenttwn said:
Yeah, I'd be embarrassed to play a Gizmondo in public too.

Oh wait, you meant a NINTENDO system. I really don't think people give two shits whether it's a PSP or a DS you're playing.

I like the DS, and I bring it to work occasionally. When I play it people josh around about owning the kids system. And they have no interest in what I'm playing. When I bring my PSP they want to hold it, play it and talk about getting one. Though they probably won't because it's a lot to pay for something like that. But I work with adults, I'm not in a campus environment, etc.

I think it means very little in the scheme of whatever handheld you enjoy. It was just a slightly tongue in cheek observation that having Nintendo games as an adult is much like having action figures. As much as that irritates the gaf crowd.
 
Flo_Evans said:
but they say the same thing :P

I don't really like threads where only positive views are allowed. Its boring. I love my PSP, but there are things I don't like about it.


They don't say the same thing. And not only politive comments are allowed. Read the thread and look at who's been criticized-- it's all people who come in specifically to say that they don't like the PSP, period.

The thread was for *what* people like abotu the PSP (and by extension, what they don't like has been talked about). But when people come in with zilch but a list of negatives, they're trolling. We get enough of that elsewhere.

I fully expect all the "circle jerk" style of critics to go say the same thing on the DS thread. Not. Hmmm, I wonder why that is...
 
Flo_Evans said:
but they say the same thing :P

I don't really like threads where only positive views are allowed. Its boring. I love my PSP, but there are things I don't like about it.

The problem isn't just having positive things to say, it's constantly saying ridiculous trolling things like "The PSP has no good games", or "If you don't care about games, buy a PSP". Utterly false stuff, it's fine if people aren't interested, but there are plenty of good games on PSP.

And I'll never understand this I don't want to play console games on my handheld bullshit. I didn't hear any of this whining when the GBA was basically full of SNES games or console-like 16-bit games. Sure, Ridge Racer is on other systems, but the PSP version is not a port. It's a new game, like Mario Kart DS is a new game. The same could be said for things like Hot Shots, Wipeout, Burnout, GTA, etc....So because the PSP is like a portable PS2 that's bad?....everyone was raving about the GBA being a portable SNES back in the day...
 
GitarooMan said:
The problem isn't just having positive things to say, it's constantly saying ridiculous trolling things like "The PSP has no good games", or "If you don't care about games, buy a PSP". Utterly false stuff, it's fine if people aren't interested, but there are plenty of good games on PSP.

And I'll never understand this I don't want to play console games on my handheld bullshit. I didn't hear any of this whining when the GBA was basically full of SNES games or console-like 16-bit games. Sure, Ridge Racer is on other systems, but the PSP version is not a port. It's a new game, like Mario Kart DS is a new game. The same could be said for things like Hot Shots, Wipeout, Burnout, GTA, etc....So because the PSP is like a portable PS2 that's bad?....everyone was raving about the GBA being a portable SNES back in the day...

Agreed.

Repost of something I said in a flame thread:

I see the PSP hate has evolved from "It has no games" to "most of its games are PS2 ports."

This is just as much nonsense as the first statement. Unless you have trouble *not* buying games you don't like, just skip the ports.

As I see it, there are a few categories here:

1) Ports. Tony Hawk, X-Men II, Madden, etc.

2) Enhanced ports/updates. Ridge Racer, Burnout Legends.

3) New games in old franchises: Twisted Metal, Wipeout, GTA, SOCOM, Virtua Tennis, Hot Shots Golf.

This seems to be the most popular category of PSP games.
In the case of TM, significantly different than the last.
In the case of Wipeout, different and much, much better. Best ever Wipeout, in my opinion.
In both those cases it's been a long time since the last game in the series.

SOCOM, HSG, and GTA are all games that benefit from the mobile or wifi aspect in one way or another that makes them appealing.


4) Original games in established generes. Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, LOTR Tactics, Untold Legends

5) Original games in either overlooked genres, or with a significant new twist. Loco Roco, Exit, Pursuit Force, Gripshift (horribly underrated game-- I said it before, if it had a popular mascot, this game would be getting huge amounts of positive attention).


Anyway, the complaints (other than people who acknowledge that it's merely their own taste) seem to focus on categories 1 and 2, and associate category 3 with the first two. To those folks I ask-- do you buy sequels to games? The PSP versions are merely sequels, which is not a problem with the PSP any more than it is the whole market.
 
I think it's officially time to let this die, although it was nice to see some semi-unbridled positive system talk about the PSP, and I approve of the DS thread getting started now. I suspect it will fare better, if only for this one breaking ground.
 
GitarooMan said:
....So because the PSP is like a portable PS2 that's bad?....everyone was raving about the GBA being a portable SNES back in the day...

I think the people that say things like this actually beleive it to an extent. They literary think gaming peaked in the SNES days and has been going downhill ever since. Most of these people seem to be N ONRY. Which in sort of a twisted way makes them right, as nintendo has been going in a slow downward spiral since their peak with the SNES...

anyway I never got to say why I love the PSP! :P

WIPEOUT PURE!

I really hope they keep up with the d/l content. But I wish they would stop giving JPN and EU exclusive tracks.... makes me want to do bad things with my 1.5 psp.... :D

the bad:

No online multiplayer. Why? I am really disapointed by the lack of online multiplayer games for the PSP in general. I've tried varoius games on Xlink Kai... it works OK but its not the best. I also think sony should release a router/dongle or whatever similar to what nintnedo is doing for the DS. I also think they should support connection sharing (with your PC) through the USB port as some people will not want to or be able to set up WiFi in thier house.
 
Flo_Evans said:
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No online multiplayer. Why? I am really disapointed by the lack of online multiplayer games for the PSP in general. I've tried varoius games on Xlink Kai... it works OK but its not the best. I also think sony should release a router/dongle or whatever similar to what nintnedo is doing for the DS. I also think they should support connection sharing (with your PC) through the USB port as some people will not want to or be able to set up WiFi in thier house.


This is a bummer. I think Nintendo is getting this right. I still know only a few PSP owners personally, to play wi-fi with, and they don't all share my tastes in games.
 
It was just a slightly tongue in cheek observation that having Nintendo games as an adult is much like having action figures.

WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT?!

Sigma 6 Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow > Nintendo :D

I'd like to appreciate a PSP, but I need $300 first. :(
 
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