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Why not Russia?

The Lunch Legend

GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
Hey all,

Something that fascinates me after having a conversation with a dolphin, is why Russia has fallen down so much. Yes, today it is recovering from the disaster of the fall of communism, but still I can't understand why that country has failed to meet the expectations. After all:

(1) It has a large population.

(2) Russians are very creative people, able to design all kind of weapons, space gear, technology and projects.

(3) The have an educated population.

(4) They have a country with a long tradition.

(5) They are a hard working people.

How come they were left behind by the U.S., Europe and now by East Asia? Is it something wrong with Russia? Or the wrong is to believe that education and creativity are all what it is need to create a successful country?
 

Armorian

Banned
Hey all,

Something that fascinates me after having a conversation with a dolphin, is why Russia has fallen down so much. Yes, today it is recovering from the disaster of the fall of communism, but still I can't understand why that country has failed to meet the expectations. After all:

(1) It has a large population.

(2) Russians are very creative people, able to design all kind of weapons, space gear, technology and projects.

(3) The have an educated population.

(4) They have a country with a long tradition.

(5) They are a hard working people.

How come they were left behind by the U.S., Europe and now by East Asia? Is it something wrong with Russia? Or the wrong is to believe that education and creativity are all what it is need to create a successful country?

Russian people were always fucked up by their rulers, form Tzars to Party Leaders to Tzars again (Putin), they never really lived in under "normal" ruling system. USSR "power" was always just a facade, economy was piss poor most of the time.

Oh and most russians don't really know that they government is constantly lying to them, at least that's what I gathered from the ones I know.

And after what they were doing in last few centuries most of central and east european countries hate them with a passion.

Also this. this is common for slavic counties. There is some of them in Poland, and more % once you go east (Ukraine) and probably even more in Russia :messenger_grinning_smiling:

 

Tesseract

Banned
good people, maybe my favorite people

nothing but generations of war and conflict, persisting off rations like stalkers
 
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Greedings

Member
(1) It has a large population.

(2) Russians are very creative people, able to design all kind of weapons, space gear, technology and projects.

(3) The have an educated population.

(4) They have a country with a long tradition.

(5) They are a hard working people.

1) Yes. If you're in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're set. Anywhere else, you're a poor villager. Much of the population is unproductive.

2) Were. They're not any more. They're a nation of copycats.

3) Again, Moscow and St. Petersburg, yes. Elsewhere less so.

4) No they don't. Russians have no traditions of their own, all stolen from other cultures.

5) No, they're drunks.
 

MadAnon

Member
Basically their history and past "glory" is used against them by own leaders. Putin and his buddies constantly play the strings of past glory, achievements to keep the patriotism and morale high. Through propaganda he maintains the "us against them" mentality while robbing russian people blind behind their backs. By far the richest country in the world when it comes to natural resources but the quality of life is bottom of the Europe level.

In order for a nation to advance you need bright, open minded people, free thinkers. But that's exactly what Putin doesn't want. Too many bright people could endager his rule and popularity. He doesn't need people who will obviously point out that Putin and his buddies are robbing russians of their wealth.
 
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Ornlu

Banned
For the size of their country, they have an extremely small, scattered, rapidly shrinking population, and no real ethnic majority to lean on. They have next to nothing unifying them as a country. As a State, Russia is FUCKED. Even in a normal "western-style" capitalist republic, they would not be doing well. In their mafia-esque oligarchy, their demographics ensure that they don't have a chance.
 
I say this as someone married to a Russian, i think its the same thing that makes the women so beautiful, nomad blood/dna.

Those people are almost completely useless once they begin a drinking career and its the same for the white russian people. Russians once they start with a bottle just cannot put it down, they are so bad with it that domestic violence is considered normal and in general they just think about one drink to the next.

We are raising my wifes brothers boy and girl with our kids because they cant put the bottle down.

I dont dislike Russians but they are predisposed to drunkenness and an inability to stop on a national level

That with the government being corrupt as fuck means they will never get anywhere, every day in russian local news there is one story or another about government projects turning up short of funds with all the people involved just shrugging their shoulders and pretending they didnt embezzle the money

It's only in times of war that they can come together but as soon as peace arrives they start turning on each other.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
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If you are drinking any other Vodka you doing it wrong, trust me, I am expert.

For the size of their country, they have an extremely small, scattered, rapidly shrinking population, and no real ethnic majority to lean on. They have next to nothing unifying them as a country. As a State, Russia is FUCKED. Even in a normal "western-style" capitalist republic, they would not be doing well. In their mafia-esque oligarchy, their demographics ensure that they don't have a chance.

And since the people are used to such oppresion for long decades, hell centuries, it won't change. You cannot look into mid of eastern Slav from the eyes of westerner. Even I, most western Slav™ imaginable cannot comprehend Russia/Ukraine and their behavior.
 
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JordanN

Banned
They're second world status, which still puts them ahead of the third world but behind the first world.

I honestly never really expected them to be anymore than that. The USSR itself was basically a whole collection of East European countries working as one and they still couldn't compete against the U.S without going bankrupt.

You break that up and it's no surprise they all become less powerful.

Kinda like how if America were to dissolve, you would still have mega entities like Texas or New York, but everything from their economy to their military shrinks with it.
 
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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
They're second world status, which still puts them ahead of the third world but behind the first world.

I honestly never really expected them to be anymore than that. The USSR itself was basically a whole collection of East European countries working as one and they still couldn't compete against the U.S without going bankrupt.

You break that up and it's no surprise they all become less powerful.

Kinda like how if America were to dissolve, you would still have mega entities like Texas or New York, but everything from their economy to their military shrinks with it.
The issue is, how little value has human life in such country, it's crazy how many USSR people died in WW2 for example (obviously no one talks about it, for some reason, only 6 million Jews. Yeah, cca 6 million Poles being wiped out, "meh, they are used to that") and since they are not as controllable and cannot live like Chinese, Russia as a country does not have the leverage over the world as it could have. Obviously this is pretty on simplistic side of dicussion, but it's true. Although Russia is responsible for plummeting oil prices recently, so who knows in the future what happened.
 

Amory

Member
A ton of corruption throughout their history. Frankly it's kind of amazing that they're even where they are
 

JordanN

Banned
2) Were. They're not any more. They're a nation of copycats.
Even during the Cold War, I remember they still had to resort to cloning famous Western technology like they made their own version of an Intel CPU.

But these were also the same people who could send robots to the moon and control them via remote before anyone else. They also made Tetris.

They're a very interesting group of people, that's for sure.
 
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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Even during the Cold War, I remember they still had to resort to cloning famous Western technology like they made their own version of an Intel CPU.

But these were also the same people who could send robots to the moon and control them via remote.

They're a very interesting group of people, that's for sure.
Resources, dictatorship and ethanol issue aka USSR.
 

Dontero

Banned
Russian people were always fucked up by their rulers, form Tzars to Party Leaders to Tzars again (Putin),

How was Tzar before soviets bad ? From what i read basically russia at the time was one of the most prosperous nations in world. They still had selfdorm up until 1900s as one of the last remaining but overall population had it pretty good.

For people wondering why shit doesn't work.

First of all Russia isn't one nation. It is FEDERATION and that federation is way more loose than something like US. There are outright oblasts (regions) that have full autonomy. Moreover it is just too big to properly manage with much too varied population, central government isn't actually that strong as worldwide media tries to sell it.

So when people talk and think russia they mean European part of Russia. Not whole Russia. Which is where population falls down due to this from those 150mln to much more reasonable number.


The second big point is mentality. Like one of Polish politicians once said. Car is something you can always replace but you can't replace your brain. What soviets did on russian people was not just economic failure but also they trained and conditioned people into soviets (soviet literally means someone who is not member of nation but part of soviet people).

That mentiality is what keeps them down and will for few decades more. And it is not just old people but traditions that are carried over.


We had and still have similar problem in Poland. There are still people who live in communist times and operate like that. When they work somewhere and meet client they still treat them as enemies because that is how workers in that system operated. When they work they also don't care about company well being they care only about how to fuck over company they work for. If there are tools that company uses they will steal some of them, if there is paper in company they will steal that too. If there is something that is not required but it would be great for everyone in company if someone would do they won't move single finger.


That kind of mindset is poison to professional environment and what is worse it is contagious. And that kind of soviet mindset is still something my nation is fighting with.

Back to Russia. Now imagine above but multiplied to Russia. Poland was only sattelite nation to soviet union and never was part of soviet union. Poles never called themselves something other than poles and Poland was effectively occupied by Soviet union and people were actively fighting soviet ideology as much as they could.

Compare that to Russia which was at epicenter of that ideology.

To drive point further. Imagine how fucked up you have to be historically to pick Grusian man Stalin as hero of your people when this is the person who killed more Russians than Hitler or war. Today 60% of Russian believe Stalin is hero.

As for Putin. You have to understand context. The context is: "Compared to what ?". Before Putin Russia was basically in shambless, rampart corruption to such magnitude that you wouldn't believe, 30-40% unemployement rate, russian military basicaly desolving in rust and basically faiture of nation.

Compare it to now. Everything above is pretty much fixed. This is why Putin rules. Not because he is some dictator. He is genuinlenly one of the best leaders they had in past 200 years. Not only did he fix Russian internal problems but also basically shoved his dick to everyone ass when he actually annexed new land via military in one of best organized military operations.

The only opposition to his rule doesn't come from Euromaidan aka democratic forces that want more democracy. It comes actually from old communists. Remember that 60% bit about Stalin ? Yes, shitload of russians want soviet union back because they are still fucked up in head and the moment Putin will let loose his power this will be the moment where those forces will start to move.

And what happens then. You will have clash of communists and capitalists and if worst come to worst new civil war.

Russia before EU tarrifs and pandemic developed about 3-4% a year which is much more than 1% western EU. Even with all those corruption problems.
 
1) Yes. If you're in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're set. Anywhere else, you're a poor villager. Much of the population is unproductive.

2) Were. They're not any more. They're a nation of copycats.

3) Again, Moscow and St. Petersburg, yes. Elsewhere less so.

4) No they don't. Russians have no traditions of their own, all stolen from other cultures.

5) No, they're drunks.

Wow what a retarded post.
 

JordanN

Banned
How was Tzar before soviets bad ? From what i read basically russia at the time was one of the most prosperous nations in world. They still had selfdorm up until 1900s as one of the last remaining but overall population had it pretty good.
Freed U.S Slaves had a higher literacy rate than Russians in the same period.

 
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StormCell

Member
Even during the Cold War, I remember they still had to resort to cloning famous Western technology like they made their own version of an Intel CPU.

But these were also the same people who could send robots to the moon and control them via remote before anyone else. They also made Tetris.

They're a very interesting group of people, that's for sure.

Yeah, people say copycat like it's necessarily a bad thing. Replicating something that works is no easy task, especially when you're having to reverse engineer it.
 

JordanN

Banned
Yeah, people say copycat like it's necessarily a bad thing. Replicating something that works is no easy task, especially when you're having to reverse engineer it.
It depends on context.

Copying can be bad because it shows they can't innovate on their own. Without innovation, we don't see the big jump in technology that has helped empires throughout history (i.e the steam engine is what kickstarted the industrial revolution in Europe).

On the other hand, one of the most famous guns of all time and one that is still in use today [the Ak-47] was basically a copy of the WW2 german gun the STG-44.
 
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bad guy

as bad as Danny Zuko in gym knickers
They lost 10s of millions of dudes fighting the nazis during ww2, which probably didn't help.
 
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EverydayBeast

ChatGPT 0.001
Countries put pounds of muscle on their militaries, the perceptions of Russia vary from person to person, country to country.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
lol what expectations are they "failing to meet"?
How come they were left behind by the U.S., Europe and now by East Asia? Is it something wrong with Russia? Or the wrong is to believe that education and creativity are all what it is need to create a successful country?
ever hear of NATO? countries don't exist in a vacuum. it sounds like you are lacking context. educate yourself.

if you don't think they had problems post USSR as the entire country was surrounded by US-friendly countries, all of which had missiles pointed at Russia, you need to read up on history.

also there is the fact that the US-installed puppet Boris Yeltsin led a coup, complete with tanks shooting at the parliament building, in 1993.

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OP sounds very ignorant of history.
 

JordanN

Banned
They lost 10s of millions of dudes during ww2, which probably didn't help.
That wouldn't explain it.
Japan got nuked twice and firebombed, but still recovered.

The Soviets/Russians also had massive population growth. As macabre as it sounds, they eventually got replacement men.

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chitzy

Banned
Hey all,

Something that fascinates me after having a conversation with a dolphin, is why Russia has fallen down so much. Yes, today it is recovering from the disaster of the fall of communism, but still I can't understand why that country has failed to meet the expectations. After all:

(1) It has a large population.

(2) Russians are very creative people, able to design all kind of weapons, space gear, technology and projects.

(3) The have an educated population.

(4) They have a country with a long tradition.

(5) They are a hard working people.

How come they were left behind by the U.S., Europe and now by East Asia? Is it something wrong with Russia? Or the wrong is to believe that education and creativity are all what it is need to create a successful country?
Russia has never had a stable system of government in place. That's all there is to it.
 

JordanN

Banned
did 10s of millions of Japanese die from those attacks? cos otherwise that's an absurd comparison
50% of Tokyo was destroyed and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were literally wiped off the earth.

I don't get how the comparison is absurd when Japan in this case had to start from scratch to get to where they are today.

The Soviets lost a lot of men but it's not like Moscow was completely flattened. In fact, Stalin and his men did have a plan to move the capital had the Germans ever got that far (which they didn't).
 
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GAMETA

Banned
I'm not too sure on the history of the country, but from the general idea I gathered on some of Dostoevsky's books, in the 1890's they were already suffering from bad politics and poverty, and were a shadow of what the country once was in the 1800 and prior to that... wars, tzars, revolutions, then the communist revolution that was building up which many were against...
 
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#Phonepunk#

Banned
Japan in this case had to start from scratch to get to where they are today.

The Soviets lost a lot of men but it's not like Moscow was completely flattened.
exactly they are two totally different things.

Japan rebuilding from the ground up, while also being recognized as a victim post WWII, gave them a tremendous advantage

on the contrary, Russia was a global villain for, what, 50 years? and was surrounded by NATO? there is a difference there.

like you couldn't buy blue jeans and rock n roll in Russia. the western market was entirely cut off from them for decades. it's kind of disingenuous to ignore all these factors.
 
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JordanN

Banned
exactly they are two totally different things.

Japan rebuilding from the ground up, while also being recognized as a victim post WWII, gave them a tremendous advantage

on the contrary, Russia was a global villain for, what, 50 years? and was surrounded by NATO? there is a difference there.

like you couldn't buy blue jeans and rock n roll in Russia. the western market was entirely cut off from them for decades. it's kind of disingenuous to ignore all these factors.
Bruh, it goes both ways.

Russians were spreading communism and overthrowing countries that were allied with the West.

They definitely can't claim victimhood while also being aggressors post WW2.

You also notice that nearly every Communist country suffered the same fate? Cuba, North Korea, China, Venezuela, a lot of these places deliberately allied or were allies of Russia but today they are still poor and corrupt.
 
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MadAnon

Member
How was Tzar before soviets bad ? From what i read basically russia at the time was one of the most prosperous nations in world. They still had selfdorm up until 1900s as one of the last remaining but overall population had it pretty good.

For people wondering why shit doesn't work.

First of all Russia isn't one nation. It is FEDERATION and that federation is way more loose than something like US. There are outright oblasts (regions) that have full autonomy. Moreover it is just too big to properly manage with much too varied population, central government isn't actually that strong as worldwide media tries to sell it.

So when people talk and think russia they mean European part of Russia. Not whole Russia. Which is where population falls down due to this from those 150mln to much more reasonable number.


The second big point is mentality. Like one of Polish politicians once said. Car is something you can always replace but you can't replace your brain. What soviets did on russian people was not just economic failure but also they trained and conditioned people into soviets (soviet literally means someone who is not member of nation but part of soviet people).

That mentiality is what keeps them down and will for few decades more. And it is not just old people but traditions that are carried over.


We had and still have similar problem in Poland. There are still people who live in communist times and operate like that. When they work somewhere and meet client they still treat them as enemies because that is how workers in that system operated. When they work they also don't care about company well being they care only about how to fuck over company they work for. If there are tools that company uses they will steal some of them, if there is paper in company they will steal that too. If there is something that is not required but it would be great for everyone in company if someone would do they won't move single finger.


That kind of mindset is poison to professional environment and what is worse it is contagious. And that kind of soviet mindset is still something my nation is fighting with.

Back to Russia. Now imagine above but multiplied to Russia. Poland was only sattelite nation to soviet union and never was part of soviet union. Poles never called themselves something other than poles and Poland was effectively occupied by Soviet union and people were actively fighting soviet ideology as much as they could.

Compare that to Russia which was at epicenter of that ideology.

To drive point further. Imagine how fucked up you have to be historically to pick Grusian man Stalin as hero of your people when this is the person who killed more Russians than Hitler or war. Today 60% of Russian believe Stalin is hero.

As for Putin. You have to understand context. The context is: "Compared to what ?". Before Putin Russia was basically in shambless, rampart corruption to such magnitude that you wouldn't believe, 30-40% unemployement rate, russian military basicaly desolving in rust and basically faiture of nation.

Compare it to now. Everything above is pretty much fixed. This is why Putin rules. Not because he is some dictator. He is genuinlenly one of the best leaders they had in past 200 years. Not only did he fix Russian internal problems but also basically shoved his dick to everyone ass when he actually annexed new land via military in one of best organized military operations.

The only opposition to his rule doesn't come from Euromaidan aka democratic forces that want more democracy. It comes actually from old communists. Remember that 60% bit about Stalin ? Yes, shitload of russians want soviet union back because they are still fucked up in head and the moment Putin will let loose his power this will be the moment where those forces will start to move.

And what happens then. You will have clash of communists and capitalists and if worst come to worst new civil war.

Russia before EU tarrifs and pandemic developed about 3-4% a year which is much more than 1% western EU. Even with all those corruption problems.
Imagine actually believing that Putin is supported because of economic growth and some magical fixes he has made. :pie_roffles:
Where do you think all the former Soviet Union states, current eastern Europe was after the collapse of Soviet Union? Their economies were in toilet just like Russia's because all their economies were integrated and dependent on Soviet Union. Guess what, Russia is currently no better off than most of these eastern European countries. I always laugh when Putin is called this miracle worker who did something unprecedent when all eastern Europe has done basically the same. And they don't have anywhere near the natural resources that Russia has.

Ask any russian why they support Putin and the things you named wouldn't probably be even on the list. But they sure as hell will tell you how he fights evil USA, Europe and jews who according to his propaganda wants to invade and destroy Russia and their culture. It's this "Russia is a superpower, global player, we are important" image that Putin trys to maintain is the reason why most people support him. Like Olympics, World Cup, billions wasted and lost in corruption, on infrastructure they can't maintain after. But people will tell Putin is the man for making Russia important on global scale even though the pensioners live below the poverty line. Or the whole Crimea thing you mentioned. Imagine being proud of your president in 21st century because he occupied a new territory.
 
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Dontero

Banned
Imagine actually believing that Putin is supported because of economic growth and some magical fixes he has made. :pie_roffles:
Where do you think all the former Soviet Union states, current eastern Europe was after the collapse of Soviet Union?

Ask any russian why they support Putin and the things you named wouldn't probably be even on the list. But they sure as hell will tell you how he fights evil USA, Europe and jews who according to his propaganda wants to invade and destroy Russia and their culture. It's this "Russia is a superpower, global player, we are important" image that Putin trys to maintain is the reason why most people support him.

You clearly have no idea how Russia looked before Putin took over. The difference between Putin rule and previous is night and day. Sure they are not rich but if you have to pick between not working and working the later one is clearly better.

If Russia isn't superpower then why US shits under itself when it comes to Russia ? Why did they just made deal with Lukaszenko Belarus to sell them oil ? Why they went so hard on Ukraine ? Because whatever shit you say US and everyone else treats them as superpower.

The whole Crimean thing was wakeup call for everyone. IT was not just for West but also for people in Russia to see that no one can fuck with them anymore like 20 years ago. Not only they did impossible aka annex land mass in 21 century where even US doesn't dare to do that but also basically wrote new books on warfare and how to do it in modern world when it comes to actual invasion with context of annexation.

And i come back to it. Again. What is the alternative ? Putin is literally best leader they got in past 200 years. From POV of russians he is great leader whatever you like it or not.

Finally no one argues that Putin is not popular, even with their corupt system everyone knows Putin is well liked among Russians.

The real question is how their system will work after Putin will quit. There is some legit info that Putin is heading toward retirement and with whole system build on Putin image it will be hard for oligarchs to keep it afloat. Moreover despite how people see it Russia is more of an oligarchy rather than dictatorship. Putin has huge power but if oligarchs won't like him he will be removed from power.
 
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belmarduk

Member
Too many political extremes... absolute monarchy... communist totalitarianism... Putin...
They absolutely have culture, though.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
50% of Tokyo was destroyed and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were literally wiped off the earth.

I don't get how the comparison is absurd when Japan in this case had to start from scratch to get to where they are today.

The Soviets lost a lot of men but it's not like Moscow was completely flattened. In fact, Stalin and his men did have a plan to move the capital had the Germans ever got that far (which they didn't).
Well there lies the problem probably, with relative lazyness of the Slavs.
 

JordanN

Banned
Well there lies the problem probably, with relative lazyness of the Slavs.
I wouldn't say laziness.

Incompetence is a better word.

For example, people bring up the WW2 death toll yet there's a reason why American and British casualties never ran this high. The Soviets used "Zerg" tactics and just kept throwing soldiers at the Germans until they got swarmed by them.

Communist ideology clearly only has one set of belief: everyone dies for the leader.

They don't see themselves as individuals. They only exist to prop up the worker's party. Everybody else is just a worker ant who slaves away for his master till his time on earth expires. And then he is replaced with another worker ant. Repeat and repeat.
 
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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I wouldn't say his laziness.

Incompetence is a better word.

For example, people bring up the WW2 death toll yet there's a reason why American and British casualties never ran this high. The Soviets used "Zerg" tactics and just kept throwing soldiers at the Germans until they got swarmed by them.
You get demoralized, you get lazy simple as that. And seeing the shit, that brave soldiers who fought for the motherland being send by Bolshevik to death camps just because they might have sniffed the imperialistic culture on the west front too much, it's certainly something which makes you not give a fuck and since this happens for centuries, it imprints into people. Slavs earn their title.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
"Alcoholism" struck me initially as a simplistic response but there seems to be something to it: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/how-alcohol-conquered-russia/279965/

There's a long history of the Russian government depending on revenues generated by excessive alcohol consumption, with the result that alcoholism becomes normative in society.
It's not simplistic resopnse, because it's really fucking true. Alcohol from me to the east (and here where beer is cheaper than water in restaurants) is glorified, rather than vilified.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
After all if my experience serves anything and it's not going to reeks of attention whoring, because that's not how I feel. You can read it about it in here:
 

llien

Banned
Russia abolished slavery (serfdom) less than 200 years ago.
It has 'long traditoin' of what exactly?

Education system, weapons, science in general, as well as most of its industry is mostly from commie times.

Political system... uh, Absolute monarchy => revolution => short period of kinda democracy => commies => collapse of USSR.

Today's Russia is about 30 years old.
 

Makariel

Member
They have been ruined by terrible leadership and absurd ideology. Russian farmers were sent to Gulags and their property distributed among people who had no fucking clue what a cow was. Mismanagement lead to famine due to the severe decrease in agricultural productivity after the purges. Stalin set the example by killing pretty much everyone who as much as broke wind at the wrong time of day. When Stalin was found semi-conscious they applied leeches to him, since at that point most doctors were in prison, had been killed or fled the country. People got cushy jobs for their ideology and ability to lick ass in the most effective manner, not based on merit or being actually good at what they do, leading to a bloated and inefficient system on all levels. Corruption on every level and secret police constantly searching for dissidents left the public distrustful of authority, disillusioned and to this day with a lower life expectancy than a large number of developing countries.

Been talking to the grandfather of a friend some time ago, who was born after WW2 under soviet regime, saw the fall of the iron curtain and the promises of glasnost and perestroika. It says something about previous leaders that he thought (and still thinks I guess) that Putin was a considerable improvement over all the shit that came before during his lifetime.
 

iconmaster

Banned
It's not simplistic resopnse, because it's really fucking true. Alcohol from me to the east (and here where beer is cheaper than water in restaurants) is glorified, rather than vilified.

I read your story, thanks for sharing it. Are you from Russia or a former Soviet state?
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I read your story, thanks for sharing it. Are you from Russia or a former Soviet state?
Czech Republic, but we were involved in 40 years of USSR being our overlord pretty much. Bolsheviks were in the state and we are not from USSR, never been part of USSR. But sure this culture was imprinted in here. Well and if we go into history more, we have like last 30 years peace...before that, it was not so funny.
 
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