Why the end of support for Windows 10 is uniquely troubling.

clem84

clem84

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End of Windows 10 support: October 14 2025

- Win11 can only run on newer computers
- An alarming amount of PCs cannot upgrade to 11
- Win10 is used by 42.8% of all Windows computers worldwide
(When Win8 support ended in 2016 only 3.7% of users were still using it)
(When Win8.1 support ended in 2023 only 2.2% of users were still using it)

- the end of 10 is an environmental disaster. Potentially 1.6 billion pounds of electronic waste

Solutions:
- pay to get updates from MS (for a year?)
- install an alternative OS like Google Chromium or Linux

Microsoft should extend the free automatic support for Windows10. They could because there is already an option to do it for a fee. They are also apparently providing updates for a bit longer in the EU.

 
I don't plan on leaving Win 10. I got the extended updates to Oct 2026.


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I agree op, MS went off the deep end with this

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clem84 said:
End of Windows 10 support: October 14 2025

- Win11 can only run on newer computers
- An alarming amount of PCs cannot upgrade to 11
- Win10 is used by 42.8% of all Windows computers worldwide
(When Win8 support ended in 2016 only 3.7% of users were still using it)
(When Win8.1 support ended in 2023 only 2.2% of users were still using it)

- the end of 10 is an environmental disaster. Potentially 1.6 billion pounds of electronic waste

Solutions:
- pay to get updates from MS (for a year?)
- install an alternative OS like Google Chromium or Linux

Microsoft should extend the free automatic support for Windows10. They could because there is already an option to do it for a fee. They are also apparently providing updates for a bit longer in the EU.

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Electronic waste? The computers will still work without support. There are Windows XP and Windows 7 PCs still out there and they work like they always have.

Regardless, the requirements for Win 11 can be bypassed. Just a google search away.
 
Topher said:
Electronic waste? The computers will still work without support. There are Windows XP and Windows 7 PCs still out there and they work like they always have.

Regardless, the requirements for Win 11 can be bypassed. Just a google search away.
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Interesting. Video neglected to mention that.
 
pqueue said:
it really isn't.

it is a 10 year old operating system.

time to move on.
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I guess being 10 years old is why it isn't suffering from all these issues I keep hearing Win 11 has. Mature software is a good thing.

I'd honestly be interested to know the reasons for updating, cause all I've heard are reasons not to.

As far as Windows OS's go Win 10 is fine, not as good as 7, but it can be plenty tweaked into a good state.
 
EU users are getting one more year of support. Louis rossmann has started a moviment denouncing that US users are getting shafted. I'm still rocking win10 and luckly can extend ESU for free.
 
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clem84 said:
I got a new PC in 2020. Ryzen 9 3900X, 32GB RAM. Pretty solid specs for the time. Win10 is telling me I can't upgrade to 11. My PC doesn't meet the requirements. It's a joke.
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It's bugged. You can bypass with registry. Again, they offer extended support.
 
If this is true then it's hilarious. MS is just shooting themselves in the foot.

Honestly there's never been a better time to get into Linux (Kubuntu is my preference). There's nothing it can't do that windows can at this point. You can use chatgpt or grok to set it up for you and learn along the way. If you can upgrade to windows 11 you can also gut all the telemetry and bloat through command prompts with AI as well. It's so freeing, man. If you're afraid to go all the way just dual boot with windows.
 
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reinking said:
True but average consumers are not going to do/know that and no way Best Buy sales associates are going to tell them. :messenger_squinting_tongue:
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lol...yeah, corps like Best Buy will make a killing because people will panic. There is really nothing to panic about. But if some folks are really worried about it then buy a new computer and sell the old, fully functioning computer or give it away. A lot of of folks running Windows 10 might be better off with a hardware upgrade anway.
 
remember when new windows versions released every 3~4 years or so?
remember when new windows versions almost never worked properly on PCs from only 4 years before?

so... how exactly is this "uniquely" troubling?

imagine if people expected Windows Vista to run on 1996 PCs. it didn't even work properly on 2001 PCs.
 
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I am more worried about when Google Chrome drops support. That is when everything will truly be fucked as the best internet browsers and web integrated applications like Steam will cease to be updated on the OS.
 
Topher said:
Extremely hyperbolic video, I'm afraid.

www.tomshardware.com

How to Bypass Windows 11's TPM, CPU and RAM Requirements

Use simple utilities to install Windows 11 on any PC.
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And then you are always one update away from being unable to boot your computer.

Last month MS released a Win 11 update that prevents the PC to access a shared folder hosted by a Windows 10 PC.
Two years ago they broke compatibility with old shared printers and it took over 3 months to fix the issue, completely unacceptable if you run a business.
 
NeverYouMind said:
I am more worried about when Google Chrome drops support. That is when everything will truly be fucked as the best internet browsers and web integrated applications like Steam will cease to be updated on the OS.
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MS stopped mainstream updates to W7 in 2015, Chrome stopped supporting it in 2023. Still years to go...
 
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pqueue said:
it really isn't.

it is a 10 year old operating system.

time to move on.
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And Windows 11 is just an evolution of the previous OS.

A LARGE group of people are still using Windows 10 and are happy, maybe even happier than Win11 users because they don't have to fight so hard to keep their privacy intact and to debloat the system, or that the next big update will break something again. Microsoft shouldn't be forcing everyone to upgrade, especially if the system may not work on (slightly) older hardware.
 
clem84 said:
I got a new PC in 2020. Ryzen 9 3900X, 32GB RAM. Pretty solid specs for the time. Win10 is telling me I can't upgrade to 11. My PC doesn't meet the requirements. It's a joke.
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That CPU is officially compatible with W11. See here.

Maybe you still need to enable TPM 2.0 in the bios?
 
It's not as big of a problem when you consider that it's possible to bypass the TPM requirement with Windows 11, very easily.
Or just buy the TPM module, that is widely available in any tech store.
 
Playing devils advocate here:
Windows 10 was released in 2015. Same year we got iOS 9.
No one would expect an iPhone from that era to run ios26.
 
Trunx81 said:
Playing devils advocate here:
Windows 10 was released in 2015. Same year we got iOS 9.
No one would expect an iPhone from that era to run ios26.
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It's a completely different world, mobile users are getting new versions annually (or even more often), but they're more like big updates and it's rare for the changes to be significant (like a completely different UI or different ways to unlock the phone).

And I don't know how it is with iOS, but on Android you can have a much older version of the system and still be able to use the phone. My older phone runs on Android 11 and the apps don't force me to upgrade to Android 15 or 16 (which would be impossible on that model) to continue to work.
 
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Microsoft will eventually be forced to backtrack adding hardware requirements that make 40% of the world's computers obsolete, thus allowing all existing computers to upgrade to Win11. There's no other solution to this problem and MS knows it but you know how MS are, they'll keep trying to force people to throw 40% of the world's computers in the garbage until the EU eventually forces them to support it forever
 
I know SEVERAL people still on Windows 7.
Windows 10 goes out of support, yeah so what? It works, I have other things to think about, and changing an entire PC because of some bullshit planned obsolescence is not on my agenda.
 
Miles708 said:
I know SEVERAL people still on Windows 7.
Windows 10 goes out of support, yeah so what? It works, I have other things to think about, and changing an entire PC because of some bullshit planned obsolescence is not on my agenda.
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The problem is two fold. One is loss of compatibility, as applications and even browsers and sites stop supporting older OSes.
And the biggest is security, as older, unpatched OSes have security flaws that are actively exploited.
 
winjer said:
The problem is two fold. One is loss of compatibility, as applications and even browsers and sites stop supporting older OSes.
And the biggest is security, as older, unpatched OSes have security flaws that are actively exploited.
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A basic antivirus is enough and 99% of websites and software still work on Windows 7 (seven) with no problem.

If you're into gaming you could have problems but for everything else literally who cares.
 
Miles708 said:
A basic antivirus is enough and 99% of websites and software still work on Windows 7 (seven) with no problem.

If you're into gaming you could have problems but for everything else literally who cares.
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I can assure you that an anti-virus is not enough.
A system exploit can go around the AV and disable it, or make a whitelist for malware.
Security on a system is not just about one point of failure.
 
I just updatet to win 11 a week ago or so. It is ok. I still have to get used to it. I would honestly have preferred to stay at 10.
 
winjer said:
I can assure you that an anti-virus is not enough.
A system exploit can go around the AV and disable it, or make a whitelist for malware.
Security on a system is not just about one point of failure.
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As long as you browse with an updated browser (which work fine on older OSs) with an adblocker, don't open shady emails and don't download crazy cracked software, you are 95% there.
 
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iHaunter said:
It's not. They offer extended support. Just upgrade to 11 it's better.
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How is it better? What is your criteria?

As someone who upgraded to Windows 11 I see nothing but downsides. Weird bugs, weird slowdowns, designs decisions that benefit MS and not me, the list is endless. I can't imagine why anyone other than a paid shill would say it's better, so I'm curious as to what your reasoning is. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
Risible said:
How is it better? What is your criteria?

As someone who upgraded to Windows 11 I see nothing but downsides. Weird bugs, weird slowdowns, designs decisions that benefit MS and not me, the list is endless. I can't imagine why anyone other than a paid shill would say it's better, so I'm curious as to what your reasoning is. Maybe I'm missing something.
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I use Windows 11 for like 2 years or something. I wanted to go back to W10 some time ago and... it was rough. I was missing many things that were added or changed in W11 (explorer, updated GameBar, better support for SX controller, AutoHDR, HDR calibration and few other things). Had to go back to 11...

The worst thing about W11 is that MS want to fuck something up every few months with updates, like they broke HDR when they added Dolby Vision support - I (and many others) saw green screen with that update. Had to use some workarounds (later they fixed it). Overall I think W11 is better than W10, and Windows 10 was never anything special - more like W8.1 but with start menu.
 
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Bojji said:
I use Windows 11 for like 2 years or something. I wanted to go back to W10 some time ago and... it was rough. I was missing many things that were added or changed in W11. Had to go back to 11...

The worst thing about W11 is that MS want to fuck something up every few months with updates, like they broke HDR when they added Dolby Vision support - I (and many others) saw green screen with that update. Had to use some workarounds (later they fixed it). Overall I think W11 is better than W10, and Windows 10 was never anything special - more like W8.1 but with start menu.
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If you don't mind me asking, what were some of the things you missed when you reverted to W10? I would miss being able to open multiple tabs within the File Explorer, but there are programs for that anyway. Curious what you find to be indispensable.
 
Risible said:
If you don't mind me asking, what were some of the things you missed when you reverted to W10? I would miss being able to open multiple tabs within the File Explorer, but there are programs for that anyway. Curious what you find to be indispensable.
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New explorer layout, better dark theme integration, better look overall (small thing, I know), for some reason my antique HP printer has W11 drivers but nothing for W10, new GameBar, Auto HDR, HDR calibration app, better XSX controller support (screenshot button works) etc. There are more things for sure that I can't remember now.

Only thing that I miss from W10 is normal right click menu but this can be fixed very easily.
 
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Considering they advertised Windows 10 as the last operating system you would ever need and Windows 11 has such strict requirements, I agree. I just went through the hassle of making my Windows 10 machine Windows 11 compliant. What a pain in the ass. I have 2 other computers that will not meet the upgrade requirement. I will still use them with or without updates. There has been a spike in new PC sales, so a lot of people are buying new computers for Windows 11. That is literally what MS fucking tells you to do when your PC "doesn't meet the requirements".
 
It seems you can get free updates if you request it until October 2026. At least I was able to for one of my non-compliant PCs.
 
Welcome to the era of consumerism and corporations. Money is the ruler now, multi billion companies are racing to be the fist trillionaire. And they wont reach that goal without selling you new hardware. Is a horrible prospect for us the common folks, but there isn't much we can do about. Just hold on tight to your Win10 for as long as you can. I did. Until i needed to upgrade. Eventually this will come to us all.
 
Don't forget an awful lot of machines are capable of running Windows 11, but are misconfigured in the EFI and have TPM disabled, out of date or are using an MBR instead of GPT.
 
winjer said:
I can assure you that an anti-virus is not enough.
A system exploit can go around the AV and disable it, or make a whitelist for malware.
Security on a system is not just about one point of failure.
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support for w7 ended in 2020 and i am still on windows 7 with no issues. i use the internet,etc
 
Risible said:
How is it better? What is your criteria?

As someone who upgraded to Windows 11 I see nothing but downsides. Weird bugs, weird slowdowns, designs decisions that benefit MS and not me, the list is endless. I can't imagine why anyone other than a paid shill would say it's better, so I'm curious as to what your reasoning is. Maybe I'm missing something.
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I would say the only good thing about w11 is the UI design is much nicer than W10. but it still has the same issues as w10 like spyware,bloatware, updates resetting peoples settings, ads in start menu or file explorer,etc, drm where you need internet and a ms account to install the os. I fear it will get worse with the next windows with MS's obsession with a.i and they hinted that the next windows will be heavily integrated with a.i.
 
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It's a big way to make money. Force users to upgrade or replace. As long as I've been in IT, they recommend replacing a PC between 5-7 years. A lot of vendors stopped selling their business line of computers with Windows 10 a while ago. Businesses that lease get new PCs either way. I see medical facilities using PCs with Windows 7 installed, so some people just don't give a crap about it or they don't have the time to care.
 
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