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I typed up a reply which I'll replicate here for sake's sake:
Will,
Wonderfully written. Every now and then someone from a band fires off a missive and the blogsphere gets itself into a tizzy. Rarely are the thoughts so well organized and composed.
From the perspective of a fan- as unique as the perspective of the creator, I suppose- hearing a new song be born live and then hearing it on the record months, maybe years, later is a unique process that's been a real pleasure in the new digital age. I can completely understand not wanting to premiere something that isn't ready, but there's also something to be said for allowing us, as a fan base, to participate, however vicariously, in the process of song writing.
I think about Broken Social Scene's "7/4 (Shorelines)". I've got versions several years old. There are horns, sometimes, there are no horns, othertimes, there's a solo, there's no solo. And then the album version is a whole other creature, maybe in response to the kind of packratting I've done. But it has been an enlightining and pleasurable quest to sort of track it's development. And, of course, there's no greater joy than to finally hear it finished and mastered, the watery no-fi dream from a live show in Dusseldorf finally made complete.
So, while you've got every right and the world to hide your songs in a hatbox and we've got no reason to protest, I think it's worth considering the fact that we're not just hungry for the song to hear it, but to live it out, to expirence it. For better or worse, your songs are our Astralweeks and while that record is comitted to memory, your next record is still a possibility. It is a thing not-yet-done and our ability to play at that and to listen to the birth pains of a melody is maybe one of the crowning achievements of the digital music age.
At any rate, great post. I'm sure it'll be a refrence point for years to come. I do believe that this whole MP3 thing is good for all of us. Do I think it's made a lot of people lazy? Sure. But I think it's also set a lot of hearts on fire, too.
Id like to clarify what Travis is saying about the bands attitude towards file-sharing.
Over the nine-odd years that we in Okkervil River have been trying to make a living playing music, Ive developed a kind of love/hate relationship with the world of file-sharing. The first good job I ever had was at the website Audiogalaxy.com, where I drew a respectable salary for writing music reviews and editorials as a kind of not-very-convincing camouflage for what was at the time one of the worlds largest file-sharing networks. At the time, my attitude about file-sharing was that it didnt particularly hurt artists most of whom were being ripped off by their labels anyway (its a little known fact that very few musicians actually make any money off of record sales) rather, it helped spread the word about their music to people who, if they liked it enough, would buy the CD. I felt that the party who genuinely had cause to be frightened of file-sharing werent the tiny little indie bands but the colossal major labels; if you put out a Britney Spears CD with only one good song on it, I figured, people would just steal the one song and no one would buy the CD. When feeling grand usually after one or two of the free 20 oz. Mountain Dews available in our office kitchen fridge and a few rounds at the Nerf hoop Id imagine a new and digitally reinvigorated world in which sales of major-label behemoths like Britney and Creed would plummet, in which major labels would topple, in which culture would be reinvented as a kind of meritocracy where anyone with artistic ambitions could draw a decent living by setting up a PayPal tip-jar on their little corner of the internet. Dont laugh you thought that, too.
About a year later, the RIAA finally came gunning for Audiogalaxy and shut us down. The dot-com crash hit, and everyone started wondering where the money was. I was taken into the special room at my offices the one with the big, soft leatherette couches, the one reserved for hiring and firing and fired. I loaded a box with my belongings and a pair of stolen Sony headphones and drove home from the gutted Audiogalaxy offices. A couple of weeks later I cast my lot with Okkervil River, and I headed out on my first major tour. Ive spent more than half of the intervening five years on the road. After tour upon tour of paying more for gas than we were making at the shows, of skipping meals, of asking people in the sparse crowds we drew if any of them had available floor space where we could spend the night, Ive finally managed to make it pay enough so that I draw roughly the same salary as a clerk at a 7-11. I use that comparison solely descriptively, as I couldnt be possibly be happier to be making a living doing what I love. At the same time, with no health insurance and no house and no idea how long my music career will last, its kind of become everything I have. I try to use that fact as reason to throw all of my energy and my care into every single thing that I do; as a result, my attitude about file-sharing has become more complicated now that it has a direct impact on my life.
Im not sure if file-sharing impacts our sales enough for it to hurt us. Sometimes I suspect that it does other times Im glad people get a chance to be exposed to our music. I do know that theres a subscription-based service called Sound Scan that all industry professionals labels, booking agents, promoters, publicists look at regularly. Sound Scan estimates how many records youve sold in stores and over the internet, and it is used to determine how big you are. If youre angling to have the opening slot on a lucrative tour or trying to get signed to a new label and someone takes a look at your Sound Scan numbers and doesnt like them, its over. Thats an aspect of file-sharing that Im not sure people take into account. In any case, I honestly dont care quite as much about the commercial implications of file-sharing because theyre basically out of my control and I guess that inside I still do take the view that file-sharing can be radically empowering to fans and that I can trust those same fans to buy the records.
My real concerns with file-sharing are primarily aesthetic.
Theres a story by Jorge Luís Borges called The Library of Babel. It describes a fantastical library composed of an apparently infinite number of identical rooms. Each room contains 1,050 books. Printed on the pages are words whose lettering and order are apparently random. Because the library is complete, among the gibberish it also contains every book that is possible, every book that could ever be written. It also contains every imaginable variation of every book possible, whether that variation is off by thousands of letters or by a single comma. Borges adds that it must contain, somewhere, a book that explains the meaning and origin of the library itself just as it contains thousands of variations of that book, true and false. He writes, When it was proclaimed that the Library contained all books, the first impression was one of extravagant happiness. All men felt themselves to be the masters of an intact and secret treasure As was natural, this inordinate hope was followed by an excessive depression.
The internet with its glut not only of information but of misinformation, and of information that is only slightly correct, or only slightly incorrect fills me with this same weird mixture of happiness and depression. I sometimes feel drowned in information, deadened by it. How many hundreds of bored hours have you spent mechanically poring through web pages not knowing what youre looking for, or knowing what youre looking for but not feeling satisfied when you find it? You hunger but youre not filled. Everything is freely available on the internet, and is accordingly made inestimably valuable and utterly value-less.
When I was a kid, Id listen to the same records over and over and over again, as if I was under a spell. The record would end and Id flip it over again, doing absolutely nothing, letting the music wash over me. My favorite record albums become like a totem for me, their big fat beautiful gatefolds worked as a shield against the loud, crashing, crushing world. I would have laid down my life and died in defense of a record like Tonights the Night or Astral Weeks. I felt that those records had, in some ways, saved my life. These days, with all the choice in the world, its hard for me find the attention span for a single album. I put my iPod on shuffle and skip impatiently to the next song before each ones over. I dont even know what Im looking for.
Because my work is the most important thing in the world to me, I sometimes feel uncomfortable about it existing freely in the digital Library of Babel, these songs that I worked so hard writing and revising and rehearsing and recording and mixing (and re-mixing) and mastering (and re-mastering) shucked off the album and thrown up on the internet in hissy and brittle low-resolution versions with no kind of sequence or order, mixed in with odd leaked tracks and some sub-par live versions. In a world overstuffed with stimuli and choking on information, I feel like a musical album should have a kind of purity and a kind of wholeness, that every aspect of an album from the sequencing to the artwork even down to the typesetting should feels labored over and loved, and that the finished product should feel like a gift.
At the same time, I am a very ardent supporter of the way in which the internet empowers fans. I truly believe that the internet allows fans to connect with and participate in art in a way thats far more meaningful than its been for decades, in a way thats more akin to the way folk music worked in the 1920s and for hundreds of years beforehand. Anyone who has ever been to a perfect rock show by their favorite band in a small venue can testify to the circuit of energy that is created at those shows between the audience and the band, to the way that energy washes up onstage from the crowd and is radiated back out again from the performers, to the way that it becomes less about an artist and an audience and it becomes entirely about a singular unrepeatable shared moment between a group of people. Thats why I go to shows, and thats why I play music myself.
By the same token, those same great shows dont always sound the same when you run a line out from the soundboard into a minidisk player and put it up online. For one thing, soundboard tapes are notoriously bad; everything thats supposed to resonate through the air like drums and amps gets lost, while everything thats miked or going direct sounds dry and ten times louder. Similarly, all those other ineffable things that resonate through the air those things that are the reason we go to rock shows in the first place simply cant be captured through a line-out on a soundboard. Ive heard a lot of the Okkervil bootlegs out there; some of them sound great and some of them make me wince. I dont mind that theyre out there and I encourage bootlegging, but sometimes its painful for me to contemplate how there are hours and hours of terrible-sounding Okkervil River music readily available on the internet.
Were going on tour again in the fall and well probably be playing some new songs. I love sharing new songs and refining them live in front of people. However, Im going to save some of the new songs for our next recording session in spite of the fact that we could use the rehearsal for the simple reason that I dont want them to be heard first in versions that are inferior because were still working through them and theyre poorly from soundboards. Im not at all asking that you dont record and share shows; rather, I myself am going to try to choose some songs that Im okay having shared in early versions.
Just as long as when the album comes out you dont do that thing on the message board where you go, hrumph, I much prefer the earlier version better, by the way. I find so much more pure the version from Madison where Wills guitar is out of tune and hes so wasted that he forgets half the words and then apologizes and starts the song over. And then he forgets them again.
I typed up a reply which I'll replicate here for sake's sake:
Will,
Wonderfully written. Every now and then someone from a band fires off a missive and the blogsphere gets itself into a tizzy. Rarely are the thoughts so well organized and composed.
From the perspective of a fan- as unique as the perspective of the creator, I suppose- hearing a new song be born live and then hearing it on the record months, maybe years, later is a unique process that's been a real pleasure in the new digital age. I can completely understand not wanting to premiere something that isn't ready, but there's also something to be said for allowing us, as a fan base, to participate, however vicariously, in the process of song writing.
I think about Broken Social Scene's "7/4 (Shorelines)". I've got versions several years old. There are horns, sometimes, there are no horns, othertimes, there's a solo, there's no solo. And then the album version is a whole other creature, maybe in response to the kind of packratting I've done. But it has been an enlightining and pleasurable quest to sort of track it's development. And, of course, there's no greater joy than to finally hear it finished and mastered, the watery no-fi dream from a live show in Dusseldorf finally made complete.
So, while you've got every right and the world to hide your songs in a hatbox and we've got no reason to protest, I think it's worth considering the fact that we're not just hungry for the song to hear it, but to live it out, to expirence it. For better or worse, your songs are our Astralweeks and while that record is comitted to memory, your next record is still a possibility. It is a thing not-yet-done and our ability to play at that and to listen to the birth pains of a melody is maybe one of the crowning achievements of the digital music age.
At any rate, great post. I'm sure it'll be a refrence point for years to come. I do believe that this whole MP3 thing is good for all of us. Do I think it's made a lot of people lazy? Sure. But I think it's also set a lot of hearts on fire, too.