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[MrTroubleMaker]

"transparent glass elements and a floating taskbar"

 

[kevboard]

 

[kevboard]

"transparent glass elements and a floating taskbar"

hey, Apple just recently jumped on the transparent UI train, and made it trendy again.

so gotta follow the trends... even tho they are repeats of already done trends...

 

[Puscifer]

Well…time to learn Linux!

At least I've been messing around with SteamOS for a few years.

Linux just needs an adjustment period like anything. Just like unlearning Windows to learn Mac OS

Biggest things to learn are

- RPM/Deb/App image
- Not being afraid of the software store
- File system layout
- Realizing how much is built in vs dedicated software

Despite the REEEing and me being an avid Linux hater for 20 years I'm legitimately shocked how far it's come.

 

[PlayStaytion]

What? Think you read a different article.

Asha must speak cause there's a lot of misunderstanding here.

 

[Three]

Come on over. It's really nice here.

How I imagined you trying to persuade people to come over to linux:

I'm wondering. Could Valve or Sony create a gaming specific linux OS that runs on the low cost APU microsoft are apparently trying to launch as "PC hardware" for tarrif exemption and totally ruin their day on reference devices?

In reality I'd imagine they've locked it down and there is no tarrif exemption.

 

[diffusionx]

imagine if Asha took over Microsoft and said Windows 12 would have no AI that you didnt explicitly install and was designed to be like Windows 7.

She would have a simp army for life (including me)

 

[BloodFree]

Jesus, has something ever been shoved down people's throat harder than this AI garbage ? Fuckfaces are desperate to make a roi at this point. And what the fuck does modular even mean. How about you release something that has the bare essentials like W7/XP and is lightweight/performant by default and then let people install whatever the fuck they want after. I don't need TikTok pre-installed on my OS by default.

 

[Rubik8]

How I imagined you trying to persuade people to come over to linux:

I'm wondering. Could Valve or Sony create a gaming specific linux OS that runs on the low cost APU microsoft are apparently trying to launch as "PC hardware" for tarrif exemption and totally ruin their day on reference devices?

In reality I'd imagine they've locked it down and there is no tarrif exemption.

Actually I'd prefer you stay where you are.

 

[RoboFu]

What companies are that?

In corporate America almost everyone is using AI. Source: I work for a tech consulting firm and just about all of our contracts are now implementing some form of AI or they want devs who know how to use AI coding assistants and the like.

I can't say names but a few deal with aerospace who do use their own AI in their products and have for years, but do not want these new commercial AI in their every day systems. Says it's too big a risk. Product and security wise.

 

[kevboard]

Jesus, has something ever been shoved down people's throat harder than this AI garbage ? Fuckfaces are desperate to make a roi at this point. And what the fuck does modular even mean. How about you release something that has the bare essentials like W7/XP and is lightweight/performant by default and then let people install whatever the fuck they want after. I don't need TikTok pre-installed on my OS by default.

well, if they stopped pushing AI they would need to admit that it's all a massive gigantic bubble with almost no value.

and they eventually will arrive at that point where it can't be pushed futher because it will become obvious just how worthless this AI nonsense is... but they'll fight as hard as they can to delay the day that will happen

 

[neo raider]

I wanna say things that will definitely get me banned

 

[Three]

Actually I'd prefer you stay where you are.

It's too late! I already use linux (and windows)

 

[Miles708]

Define modular... because if that means that the system will be lighter and i can literally ignore all this AI bullshit, sure, why not? We evidently know this will not be the case thought...

Wouldn't it be funny if all AI features are enabled by default, and the subscription is to turn them off?

 

[GriffinCorp]

 

[RoboFu]

Define modular... because if that means that the system will be lighter and i can literally ignore all this AI bullshit, sure, why not? We evidently know this will not be the case thought...

Means different apps cost more money in the sub. They will probably break up office into " pay for what you need" except to get everything you get now will be more.

 

[epicurius-seven]

So it'll just end up being Temu Liquid Glass except running under Electron and require 16gb to launch Notepad.

 

[Bry0]

NPU requirement is interesting and I'd like to see details. There are almost ZERO desktop socketed processors with an NPU aside from the gorgon point amd chip. This could easily be shifted to gpu but to this day copilot+ functions require an npu even though we have graphics cards with HUNDREDS of tops.

This would be a HUGE mistake of forced obsolescence worse than the w11 tpm requirement.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Subscriptions based can fuck off, I'm still running one of the last normal versions of Office. Don't need any subs, if I want to do cloud sync and all that other stuff I can organize it on my own.

 

[DAHGAMING]

The only thing holding me back from Linux is the anticheat stuff, once thats sorted my PC and Laptop are being turned into Steam Machines.

 

[uncreativename]

Well, the modular bit sounds neat, but everything else ^

 

[PauloRoberto]

Wouldn't it be funny if all AI features are enabled by default, and the subscription is to turn them off?

THis is not subscription... this is ransom! :-D

 

[LectureMaster]

Unfortunately, these are the only bright sides to this new OS. Microsoft's Copilot, the AI assistant the company has been aggressively injecting across the ecosystem, will now be a core part of the next Windows iteration rather than a supplementary feature.

 

[poppabk]

NPU requirement is interesting and I'd like to see details. There are almost ZERO desktop socketed processors with an NPU aside from the gorgon point amd chip. This could easily be shifted to gpu but to this day copilot+ functions require an npu even though we have graphics cards with HUNDREDS of tops.

This would be a HUGE mistake of forced obsolescence worse than the w11 tpm requirement.

The NPU requirement is both the best and worst part. Best because it suggests local AI rather than cloud. Worst because, well basically no-one has one.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I can't say names but is few deal with aerospace who do use their own AI in their products and have for years, but do not want these new commercial AI in their every day systems. Says it's too big a risk. Product and security wise.

Yeah that makes sense for some higher security environments.

Your typical Fortune 50 is concerned with security but in the last 2 years most have been convinced for some internal AI usage.

 

[PauloRoberto]

Means different apps cost more money in the sub. They will probably break up office into " pay for what you need" except to get everything you get now will be more.

You are messing Windows and Office. This news is related to Windows. And you know what? And MS won't break Office subscription, because almost eerything on current Office is of little value... seriously, remove Excel and Outlook for the vast majority of professional clients and the rest is almost full useless ()if not completely usless - and Im talking to you MS TEAMS!)

 

[Metnut]

I prefer no support. Then it won't ask me updates all the time.

 

[simpatico]

I'm somehow still getting near constant updates on Windows 10. I guess the whole EOL thing was a big fakeout.

 

[ZehDon]

Welcome back Aero!

Reading this, I believe Windows 12 is going to be the break point. No one will buy an NPU just to access an OS that still requires an additional subscription to use the NPU you just bought. And if Windows adoption declines, they lose their strong arm ability to force enterprises to adopt their sub-par products. 2027 is when Microsoft's chickens come home to roost.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I'm somehow still getting near constant updates on Windows 10. I guess the whole EOL thing was a big fakeout.

If you sign in using a Microsoft account, chances are you were granted a free year of extended updates.

 

[KungFucius]

No one wants this

To be fair, some want some of that. A lean gaming OS seems like a good idea. If we can have that and keep the AI bullshit away it could be a good thing. AI is really driving me nuts lately. Everything at work is AI this AI that. I feel like a dinosaur actually reading documentation and providing human interpretations.

 

[Unknown?]

imagine if Asha took over Microsoft and said Windows 12 would have no AI that you didnt explicitly install and was designed to be like Windows 7.

She would have a simp army for life (including me)

"We have a product for you if you don't want AI, it's called Windows 95!"

 

[Puscifer]

How I imagined you trying to persuade people to come over to linux:

I'm wondering. Could Valve or Sony create a gaming specific linux OS that runs on the low cost APU microsoft are apparently trying to launch as "PC hardware" for tarrif exemption and totally ruin their day on reference devices?

In reality I'd imagine they've locked it down and there is no tarrif exemption.

Sony is already using BSD and that APU isn't going to be so unique that Microsoft pays them the stack won't already be apart of AMDs Linux's ecosystem. All the console APUs have ended up on the grey market and work just fine so I don't see why not?

 

[SpokkX]

Nvidia recently hired some linux drivers devs. So for me it is Steam OS as soon as they work out the drivers

 

[uncreativename]

The chances of me getting this are 0%. Downright offensive . Hopefully this really does push a huge number of people either into the arms of Apple or onto Linux.

 

[BloodFree]

well, if they stopped pushing AI they would need to admit that it's all a massive gigantic bubble with almost no value.

and they eventually will arrive at that point where it can't be pushed futher because it will become obvious just how worthless this AI nonsense is... but they'll fight as hard as they can to delay the day that will happen

It's just getting exhausting at this point. Every time I read anything tech related it's either AI or some consequence of AI. Like give it a fucking rest, good God. And that's the kicker too, if it had the value they want it to have, people would be adopting it on their own organically, without this desperate artificial push.

 

[PlayStaytion]

This is the OS Magnus will use if it still goes ahead. OS sub fee to replace the online sub fee sounds about right.

I've just realized the series x has a cpu bottleneck on many games, the hybrid box shall solve that problem as soon as possible. DF must talk about this topic cause it's important.

 

[pudel]

The NPU requirement is both the best and worst part. Best because it suggests local AI rather than cloud. Worst because, well basically no-one has one.

We have local AI already. I still dont see the point of that thing.

 

[pqueue]

This was what Valve was preparing for with SteamOS and Deck.

and yet they too fucked up and mis-timed the market.

 

[Kittehkraken]

NPUs are still early-stage chips and not widely adopted across all systems. This requirement will lock out millions of PC owners from updating to Microsoft's next OS, but fortunately, Windows 11 support will last for another few years.

Windows 11 will be around for a long time.

Windows users aren't buying a new pc again in the next few years after just being forced to upgrade for 11. Especially with the prices of everything going through the roof.

Also, Microsoft is having trouble getting people to make the switch to Windows 11 for FREE. Good luck with a subscription lol.

 

[Topher]

How often are ads for AI and Office 365 going to be pushed?

Frequently without a subscription, I'd say. Microsoft is going to find a way to squeeze more money out of Windows. One way or another

 

[archangelmorph]

No one wants this

Exactly.

Yet another step in the US tech giant Illuminati's master plan to destroy the value prop of owning your own machine.

"Personal" computing will be killed. In favour of "personal sessions"; served up by the cloud and fully subscription-based.

By the time you've finished layering all those subs for all the software you need to be able to get any work done, you'll be paying $300-500/months, and you'll fucking lump it you dirty little peon consumer bastards…

 

[Fbh]

 

[K' Dash]

subscription based? AI?

 

[DeepEnigma]

No one wants this

Don't underestimate the audacity of the sycophant True Believers.

 

[SHAKEZ]

"People hate W11... Let's make 12 worse"

 

[Guilty_AI]

When you force your AI onto consumers but no one can buy it because of your AI

 

[//DEVIL//]

imagine having to pay monthly to use windows OS.

my PC will switch to Linux so fast MS wont have enough time to make a statement about its benefits. I will be gone already. They can shove their store up their ass as well with it

 

[Topher]

Guess this gives us a hint on how Microsoft is planning on monetizing next gen Xbox

 

[Kacho]

I get the feeling their Windows 12 marketing will be endless damage control. This will push a lot of people to Linux.