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Windows 8 / RT |OT|

Jzero

Jzero

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Does anyone here have any type of touch mouse yet? I think i rather buy a touch mouse than a touch screen monitor.

I'll probably wait until they are less expensive though.
 
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Blablurn

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alphaNoid said:
1. That optimization test was done with a preview version of Windows 8, running unoptimized Windows 7 video drivers on Windows 8. Surely you can understand that lunacy in that right? Windows 8 is far more efficient in every way over 7, and once proper drivers utilize and tap that power .. theres no going back. That test was bait for clicks on a site desperate for views and ad revenue. Real tests, and testers will surely wait for appropriate hardware and software in order to do an apples to apples comparison.

2. Yes you can do an in place 'upgrade' from Vista/7 to Windows 8. I did this on both my Enterprise versions and Ultimate to Pro versions. All my applications remaned installed, my user data.. everything. I clicked upgrade, waited 20 minutes, 2 reboots and bam.. I was running Windows 8, never having to re-install, or restore 1 god damn thing! Its also nice that its lightning fast, nothing like shotty Windows upgrades of yesteryear.

Microsoft finally figured it out. These features are just parts of the little things that make this OS far superior to Windows 7.
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thank you for this great answer. might consider upgrading now!
 
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Iced_Eagle

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chickdigger802 said:
Now that i think about it... i was taught young to press start and click shutdown.

But my dad worked in IT.

You can shut down computers using the Power button?

don't think i've ever tried that in my life o_O.
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Years ago, you had to first shut down Windows, and then Windows would give you a message saying it's safe to turn off your computer and you then had to click the power button to actually power it off (that couldn't be done via software back then). Good times.

Also, search for "power button" in settings and you can configure what pressing the power button will do.
 
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chickdigger802

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Iced_Eagle said:
Years ago, you had to first shut down Windows, and then Windows would give you a message saying it's safe to turn off your computer and you then had to click the power button to actually power it off (that couldn't be done via software back then). Good times.

Also, search for "power button" in settings and you can configure what pressing the power button will do.
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my god.

Learn shit everyday.
 
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brotkasten

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It seems like Nilay Patel, from the Verge, is reviewing the Asus Vivo Tab RT.
@reckless: Office Home & Student 2013 RT.

Everyone should be ashamed.

@reckless: Office Home & Student 2013 RT on the Asus Vivo Tab RT.

Is dignity even possible in this, the best of all possible worlds?
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Can't wait for the reviews
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chickdigger802 said:
my god.

Learn shit everyday.
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it was possible at least since Windows XP.
 
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strata8

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brotkasten said:
It seems like Nilay Patel, from the Verge, is reviewing the Asus Vivo Tab RT.
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He's probably going to start ranting about files again.
Files. Managing files. Endless files, in formats. Remember files? With file extensions? And sizes and bad metadata and missing cover art and all those weirdo checkboxes in iTunes that make compilation albums either go together or not go together or maybe make tracks appear in seemingly random order throughout your huge list of music files? Using the seventh-generation iPod nano in 2012 involves taking a trip back to a world in which files really matter. Files, man. Files in iTunes. You want to listen to music with an iPod nano? Then you better get ready to open iTunes and plug in a cable and transfer some hot nasty files. It’s like taking a time machine to 2010, before Apple itself started pushing everyone away from files and towards iCloud.

...

The problem is that asking regular people to manage their iPod’s music files in 2012 is basically the same as asking them to actually code their own iPhone apps.

...

Apple has a new version of iTunes coming soon, but for nano owners it’s essentially a paint job — the core experience is still all about managing files on a hard drive. That’s what makes the new nano feel like such an anachronism: streaming services like Spotify and Rdio and Pandora are clearly the future, and the idea of downloading MP3s and then copying them to another device from a local hard drive feels clunky and archaic. The iPod was a dominant product because the iTunes Store utterly changed the music industry, but we don’t live in that world anymore. We live in a world in which most teenagers have unlimited access to music on YouTube, and not even the iPod nano’s fancy new Lightning connector can plug into that kind of world.

What’s weird is that Apple knows this better than anyone: a key feature of 2011’s iOS 5 was “PC Free” operation for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch, which let people use them without ever plugging into a computer. Steve Jobs himself demoted the Mac and PC from their status as “digital hubs” when he introduced iCloud alongside iOS 5, saying that he’d been trying to render the traditional file system obsolete for a decade. That’s also when Jobs introduced iTunes in the Cloud, which lets people download their purchased music from any iOS device without plugging a cable into their computers. It’s not hard to imagine Apple building iTunes into a proper competitor to Spotify or Pandora and turning the iPod into something else entirely; the path forward is blindingly clear. Moving files around on cables is just not how the future works.
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Files, man.
 
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Totakeke

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NotTarts said:
He's probably going to start ranting about files again.


Files, man.
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Don't you just love it that the perception of the intelligence of the human race just keeps going down over the last few years?

Hollywood was right, let me just randomly press keys on my keyboard to hack the internets!
 
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Milchjon

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Totakeke said:
Don't you just love it that the perception of the intelligence of the human race just keeps going down over the last few years?

Hollywood was right, let me just randomly press keys on my keyboard to hack the internets!
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I think you gotta separate the ability to work with files and the need to do so.

I'm totally in favor of making computing devices more user friendly in that regard.
 
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maeh2k

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brotkasten said:
It seems like Nilay Patel, from the Verge, is reviewing the Asus Vivo Tab RT.



Can't wait for the reviews
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it was possible at least since Windows XP.
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Hope I'll get to use Office on a small tablet at some point. I hear all that harsh criticism of how unusable it is, but from what I've seen it actually looks decent. Of course they'll show people going into the detailed settings and how small some checkboxes might be, but people hardly ever do that.

Even if it's not always ideal, I still think of having the full Office as a plus. For basic stuff people should easily get by on a tablet and if someone needs some added precision they can just plug in a monitor and mouse/keyboard and has access to the full Office.
I think that's part of the reason why an RT tablet could completely replace a PC for a lot of people even where an iPad cannot.
Would be nice to see additional simplified MX versions of the programs in the future, though. OneNote MX is pretty nice.

Looking forward to the reviews. Wouldn't have expected the Verge to be positive about Office to begin with, since they are using google docs.



In a somewhat unrelated matter: how exactly will Office 365 university work? Four years of Office 365 for 80$ seems very intriguing. What I'd like to know is what happens when you finish university during those four years. I'll finish it in less than a year. I'm guessing Microsoft just requires the students to be enrolled at the time of purchase, right?
 
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infinityBCRT

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chickdigger802 said:
does it behave the same as software shutdown, like install updates and what not?

Weird... when my computer freezes, I just pull out the power cable lol.


crazy stuff.
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Pressing the power button will trigger Windows Shutdown functionality

Pressing & Holding the power button for 5 seconds will cut power to your system entirely to turn it off (so it doesn't matter if its frozen), overriding the Windows Shutdown process

Back in the day you (Windows 95 era) you had to use the start menu to shut down your computer because back then most PCs didn't have the ability to do a software shutdown through the Power button, and pressing it would just shut off your computer immediately (the same effect you get now by pressing & holding)
 
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clav

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AquaMotley said:
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You know nothing
Jon Snow
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I feel old since there are people out there who have never seen this screen.

I feel even older that there was a time that this screen did not exist as you would turn off the computer at MS-DOS command prompt.
 
joeygreco1985

joeygreco1985

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chickdigger802 said:
Now that i think about it... i was taught young to press start and click shutdown.

But my dad worked in IT.

You can shut down computers using the Power button?

don't think i've ever tried that in my life o_O.
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You can tell Windows to start the shutdown process with the press of the power button. Its the exact same thing.

...excpet if you hold the power button down to cut the power. Don't do that.
 
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Steelyuhas

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chickdigger802 said:
I'm still baffled that 'shut down' isn't a button on the start screen.

I had to google that a while back, how would your grannies figure that out?

Can you even create a shut down icon for the start menu?
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I don't think MS cares about getting the Shut Down button right in your face because they don't really want people to shut down their computers. They claim that you save power by using sleep mode instead of powering down and powering up your computer every day, and Metro apps benefit from always being in memory instead of having to cold start them on a regular basis.
 
Manp

Manp

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Iced_Eagle said:
Years ago, you had to first shut down Windows, and then Windows would give you a message saying it's safe to turn off your computer and you then had to click the power button to actually power it off (that couldn't be done via software back then). Good times.
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it was possible via software but only on ATX hardware. back then most of the hardware was still AT.

:)
 
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Cyrillus

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Jzero said:
Does anyone here have any type of touch mouse yet? I think i rather buy a touch mouse than a touch screen monitor.

I'll probably wait until they are less expensive though.
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I'm looking at that touchpad to use as a daily driver with my desktop, but I'm wondering:

My biggest problem with touchpads on laptops (only used them while repairing others' machines, never personally owned a laptop) has been that I have to scroll the full width of the touchpad a couple times to get from one side of the screen to the other. Can touchpad sensitivity be cranked up to fix that, or is the use of a finger simply too imprecise to allow this? For example, my mouse takes about 2" lateral movement to get from one side of the monitor to the other.
 
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yn-neko hates a cat

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What was it called? The power states that controlled sleep and shutdown were out after Windows 95. If you built PCs back in the day, there was a time were we had sleep jumpers we had to connect our cases to.

Now all that stuff comes in our ATX power headers. Remember our motherboards used to be just the AT standard? Some computers didn't even make a distinction between the PSU and the power button.

Now Windows 8 uses UEFI standards to control aspects of the motherboards just about every aspect of power management. This would have been witchcraft back in the 90s on a standard PC.

There were systems that had at least software shutdown back then but there was no industry standard. Its things like this that makes me so excited about new OSes large players in the market because once things like this get standardized, we begin to see cool things happen.
 
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maeh2k

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Looks like the app pace is picking up nearing launch.
@WinAppUpdate: [...] Almost exactly 5K in the US alone as of today. Almost 7,000 worldwide.
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Windows 8 might get close to that 5-digit app number for launch, after all.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Magic Ovaries said:
Very few, less than whats available for Win 8 (which has now 5000 apps).
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yea, it's a sad scene in the Android Tablet space.

I wouldn't invest a dime into an Android Tablet at this point. If you want one, I'd at least wait to see how the market responds to the Win8 tablets and iPad Mini first.
 
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lunarworks

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AquaMotley said:
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You know nothing
Jon Snow
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Man, I remember when I got a PC with an ATX mobo, and I never had to see that screen again.


Even better, though: Back in the Win 3.1 days people would frequently just switch off the power bar their computer was connected to to turn it off. DOS don't care.
 
derExperte

derExperte

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Dreams-Visions said:
I wouldn't invest a dime into an Android Tablet at this point.
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For someone like me that wants a 7" tablet and won't buy anything from Apple the Nexus 7 will stay the perfect choice and I don't miss anything. My most used apps work perfectly fine and even not optimized ones are okay with this screen size. My old Xoom on the other hand..
 
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brianmcdoogle

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Wait, I thought Windows was going to cost me 40 bucks.

I am going to install Windows on a Mac using bootcamp. No upgrade, but a fresh install. I thought from now until the end of the year it was going to cost 40 bucks to get a fresh install copy of Windows 8. But, reading the OP, am I write in thinking that it is going to cost me 100 bucks? Yikes.
 
Jzero

Jzero

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Exuro said:
Minesweeper and Solitaire just got big updates. Daily challenges are working.
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Yea i got it yesterday. They added a couple of themes as well. I still suck at solitaire though -_-

Also, i downloaded Taptiles which is also pretty fun.
 
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Windu

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brianmcdoogle said:
Wait, I thought Windows was going to cost me 40 bucks.

I am going to install Windows on a Mac using bootcamp. No upgrade, but a fresh install. I thought from now until the end of the year it was going to cost 40 bucks to get a fresh install copy of Windows 8. But, reading the OP, am I write in thinking that it is going to cost me 100 bucks? Yikes.
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$40 for the download version of the Upgrade.
 
hemtae

hemtae

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So I heard that you have to have a previous paid for license of Windows on your PC to get the $40 deal thing but I put the release preview version on a comp I built. Does it still work with me or am I screwed.
 
Jzero

Jzero

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hemtae said:
So I heard that you have to have a previous paid for license of Windows on your PC to get the $40 deal thing but I put the release preview version on a comp I built. Does it still work with me or am I screwed.
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You're screwed unless you can get your hands on a key for xp, vista, or 7

They were going to give the $40 offer to people on the preview as well but they changed their mind.
 
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Exuro

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What are medals? Are they basically achievements without having points to tie to your account?

Also, minesweeper daily challenges are terribly hard. :(
 
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clav

Member
Jzero said:
You're screwed unless you can get your hands on a key for xp, vista, or 7

They were going to give the $40 offer to people on the preview as well but they changed their mind.
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We'll know on Friday if that's the case.

People are still unclear on the details.
 
Jzero

Jzero

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Exuro said:
What are medals? Are they basically achievements without having points to tie to your account?

Also, minesweeper daily challenges are terribly hard. :(
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Yea pretty much.

The ads suck ass though. It's the same ad all the time. We need a metro ad block now.
 
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