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[lachesis]

Now in stock. I've ordered from NCSX - while they are a bit expensive, but I find them very friendly and reliable for past 6+ years. Anyhow, they are saying that it's in stock and will ship out today (one day earlier than expected Mar.24 shipment), which I will be getting tomorrow since I'm in NYC. (I think NCSX is located in Queens, so I have a good chance of getting it on next day even by ground shipping)

Anyhow... Things that I've gathered from other sites.

- They fixed a lot of basic motions - that now dribbling is harder. Ball handling is a quite a bit different - that it doesn't "stick" to your player like it used to - it bounces around and new ball traping motion, while beautiful to look at, is much tougher.

- Also, the turning of the players are more fluid - but because of new ball physics, it's more realistic yet it will take some time to get used to.

- Goalie AI is down a bit compared to "Yassin" like ones in original 8. I'm not sure of how smart the goalies were in 8Inter and PES4... but it's a good news.

- Also players are a bit slower - but ball speed is much faster. (Perhaps it's feeling that way because balls are much faster now?)

- Notable new motions are sliding pass when the balance is off, new heading position fights that people would now try to head the ball even from behind, Elacico (sp? - Ronaldinho's flip-flap technique) for people with high dribble skills (not everyone), which could make the defender to fall down if their body balance is low, much smoother shooting motion, and outside passing motion is now mostly fixed.

- R1 Lobbing shot projectory is much lower, so it's not useful in this game as much as it was in original 8. I'm kinda convinced that L1 lobbing shot is still pretty much intact.

- 00 cross trajectory is much lower - so that heading is a bit difficult than WE8. There are quite a few mixed feelings about heading accuracy issue - but it's being said that it's more balanced out. 0 cross is now more effective from a far. Instead of frequent diving headder, Bally shoot is activated much more frequently.

- Online versus play is doable by having JP PS2 with BB unit, I think. However, you have to buy each league separately, and for some strange reason, Korean National Team is not usable - although I doubt anyone would really care here. I'm not sure of online aespect of the game, and how it plays out - but reviews are saying that it's quite good. (Shame on you, Konami USA!!!)

- Mid-range shots are a lot more powerful and faster than original 8. (some say it's quite scary. ) I am all for this, because I LOVE Mid Range shots from a far. When I made one even by mistake - it made my day.

- Robben still sucks. (Actually, I think his stats are even lower than original 8, which is a crime...) - but C. Ronaldo is one of the most improved compared to original 8. (I think it's similar to WE8 International version) His long pass accuracy is now in 80's (Ha!), and He now has dribble keeping special attribute. I'm not sure why they gave him (He's a good player, no doubt about it) such good stats, while giving Robben pretty much none. Neville Brothers are still in deep shit, Ronaldo didn't change anything from WE8, Crespo down a bit, Del Piero is now a mediocre player. .... so on and on. A lot of players didn't even change a bit - such as Ballack.

http://bbs.weshareit.net/viewthread.php?tid=4389&fpage=1
http://bbs.weshareit.net/viewthread.php?tid=4416&fpage=1
http://bbs.weshareit.net/viewthread.php?tid=4404&fpage=1

These pages used to have some stats - I'm not sure whether the image link is still alive or whatnot... but the first one had 180+ images, so it will take LONG LONG time to load up even in T1 at work... and if it comes up as an xbox, then, right-click and show-image on the x's. (It worked for me few days ago.)

- Rosters are still not up to date - it's like 2004 winter. (2005 season, my ass, konami!!)
Gravesen is still in Everton not in RM, etc etc. Good news is, English patch will be available pretty quick, because they can pretty much use 90%+ of previous player names in WE8 JP. I hear people are already working on option files.

- It's not known that whether you can even used this updated option files or your ML team online. It's unlikely. (Hope they will fix it on WE9 and WE NEED Online here in USA!)

Tomorrow can't come fast enough...

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[Prine]

Thanks!

best bit

- Mid-range shots are a lot more powerful and faster than original 8. (some say it's quite scary. ) I am all for this, because I LOVE Mid Range shots from a far. When I made one even by mistake - it made my day.

Theres nothing like taking a chance and shooting from long range and rattling the woodwork.

So hows Rooney? They improved his dribling, acceleration and shot power? Quite underated in 8

 

[lachesis]

Rooney's not that improved at all. his mentality has gone up to 80 (perhaps standing upto Ref's so much. ) - but most of his ranges are low-80s still. I do think Rooney deserves better stats - but his still too young. He's got bunch of special attributes like dribble keeping and all - but his stats could have been better.

Rooney Stats: Top one is from 8, and bottom one is from LE.

CF 80 30 85 80 83 85 82 85 85 84 80 72 78 74 83 84 83 65 78 72 69 87 80 62 5 50 78 3 6 6 A

CF 82 44 86 85 85 88 84 85 86 84 83 82 79 74 83 87 83 74 78 74 73 88 85 80 4 50 72 4 6 5 A

I think Konami does give better stats to older guys - and they give good scores to people around 27 or so. Anyone under 21 is pretty low even if their playing is good (except C Ronaldo.)

Adriano would be the best striker in this game I think. Body Balance of 98, and Shooting power 99. Big and Strong - he can shoot afar and play post player with his balance. Whoa.

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[Fowler]

I got it a couple of days ago but I've only had time to play three games. It feels different and most of those points in hindsight are valid, but nothing really grabs you as being dramatically different in this one. I'll play more tomorrow and probably get a better reading on it then...

 

[Solid]

I recommend this site for updated player stats. You need to register though but it's definitely worth it.

ROONEY, Wayne - Manchester United
UPDATED STATS, 02/03/05
Attack: 88/+8
Defense: 47/+17
Balance: 94/+9
Stamina: 90/+10
Top speed: 92/+9
Acceleration: 89/+4
Response: 95/+13
Dribble speed: 88/+4
Shot accuracy: 88/+5
Shot power: 92/+8
Shot technique: 91/+8
Free kick accuracy: 86/+21
Curling: 85/+7
Header: 81/+9
Jump: 83/+14
Technique: 90/+3
Aggression: 93/+13
Mentality: 81/+19
Consistency: 6/+1
Condition: 6/+3
Post player: +*
Reaction: +*
Line positioning: +*
Scoring: +*
1-touch pass: +*

 

[Bluemercury]

C.ronaldo is better now?in the game i mean?specific moves too?i wonder how that works....

 

[john tv]

The rates Konami are charging for online are RIDICULOUS. 300 yen for a license... another 300 to play online... another 600 for these teams... another 600 for those teams... they're basically ass-raping consumers. How come EA can give us free online play with Madden and yet Konami has to charge over $20 a month if you want to get the maximum enjoyment out of WE8?

 

[Bluemercury]

The rates Konami are charging for online are RIDICULOUS. 300 yen for a license... another 300 to play online... another 600 for these teams... another 600 for those teams... they're basically ass-raping consumers. How come EA can give us free online play with Madden and yet Konami has to charge over $20 a month if you want to get the maximum enjoyment out of WE8?

id rather play it on the pc for free.....

 

[Prine]

Rooney's not that improved at all. his mentality has gone up to 80 (perhaps standing upto Ref's so much. ) - but most of his ranges are low-80s still. I do think Rooney deserves better stats - but his still too young. He's got bunch of special attributes like dribble keeping and all - but his stats could have been better.

Rooney Stats: Top one is from 8, and bottom one is from LE.

CF 80 30 85 80 83 85 82 85 85 84 80 72 78 74 83 84 83 65 78 72 69 87 80 62 5 50 78 3 6 6 A

CF 82 44 86 85 85 88 84 85 86 84 83 82 79 74 83 87 83 74 78 74 73 88 85 80 4 50 72 4 6 5 A

I think Konami does give better stats to older guys - and they give good scores to people around 27 or so. Anyone under 21 is pretty low even if their playing is good (except C Ronaldo.)

Adriano would be the best striker in this game I think. Body Balance of 98, and Shooting power 99. Big and Strong - he can shoot afar and play post player with his balance. Whoa.

lachesis

Thanks for info

Adriano sounds nice, im gonna have to wait for the European version. Have you played the hacked version of WE8 on Xbox? With all the proper kits and chants. THe atmosphere is amazing, the english chants especially. They even have the "final count down" playing at halftime and "champions league" tune when players run onto the field. Real fun

 

[DCharlie]

"The rates Konami are charging for online are RIDICULOUS. 300 yen for a license... another 300 to play online... another 600 for these teams... another 600 for those teams... they're basically ass-raping consumers. How come EA can give us free online play with Madden and yet Konami has to charge over $20 a month if you want to get the maximum enjoyment out of WE8?"

yeah, but the game is cut price!!

OH that's right! it's not! 7800 yen! HUZZA for Konami!

I'm just glad that there won't be a Xbox version so i can give them more money as a reward, and that the online facet was removed from the Asian and US version makes me happier! Konami rule!

 

[lachesis]

C. Ronaldo Stats: Top is original, Bottom is LE.
Position

WF 81 40 82 77 86 89 73 93 89 90 75 77 77 86 77 82 84 78 78 75 81 87 82 65 4 50 65 4 6 6 A
WF 80 40 82 82 86 87 83 95 94 90 76 77 83 90 77 88 84 78 82 80 82 93 90 80 4 50 62 4 6 4 A

Shooting power: 88. Long Pass Accuracy - 83. Long Pass speed - 90. Speed, Accelation, Dribble Speed, Dribble Accuracy, Agility all up and up. Whoa. Gained "Dribble Keep" special Attribute, although he lost "side player" attribute. Both Feet Feint, Dribbler, and Outside also remains - and he no longer can play CF. Only SMF and WF.

As much as I hate Konami's stat distribution - but I don't tamper with it at all - since I'm playing in a league game among my friends - and we all came to accept it as it is in the game. (My friend has Robben, and I pity him. - and I have C Ronaldo. ) It's all part of mindgame and it also becomes an interesting point when you draft your player too.

Right now, I'm hoping to get Gilardinho (sp?) and Relhb (sp?) in Bundesliga. They both seem to have quite a potential in real soccer, and I'm recruting some of future footie stars with high potential. (Right now I have Martins and C.Ronaldo... while others have Cassano, Robben, Rooney, etc.)

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[lachesis]

Well, it's semi confirmed that you cannot play online with LE outside of Japan - even if you have BB adapter and appropriate JP version of PS2 and have bought web-money. Their server just opened up - perhaps it has some sort of ip block outside of JP?

It's known that some online games are playable outside of Japan (FFXI, or Minna No Golf, etc.) - but I guess LE might be a different case - perhaps time will tell. So those who are looking forward to play online with LE with your JP ps2... just hold your breath a bit.

...and less than 24 hours to go. I've asked NCS to deliver mine to my work - and I'm seriously regretting - it could have been perfect "sick day" reason.

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[Black_Mamba]

Well, it's semi confirmed that you cannot play online with LE outside of Japan - even if you have BB adapter and appropriate JP version of PS2 and have bought web-money. Their server just opened up - perhaps it has some sort of ip block outside of JP?

WTF! Western WE fans am cry!

Japanese developers are so selfish when it comes to online gaming, damn!

 

[lachesis]

Well. I stand corrected: Some people are saying they were able to connect outside of JP - and currently its just server malfunction. It just opened up a couple hours ago, and perhaps the server just cannot handle the massive demand or so... I guess only time will tell.

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