Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This
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firehawk12
Subete no aware
You can talk about South Park in public because it's satire.
I look at it this way - most of the "big name" TV blogs and podcasts cover cartoons. They're not writing about Spongebob, but there are talking about random stuff like the new Napoleon Dynamite cartoon and the Beavis and Butthead relaunch. Christ, even this Brony thing is acceptable now.
Yeah, that's true. I guess I'm thinking of the end result.
I think that just compounds the issue really. Apparently cartoons as a storytelling medium are not acceptable unless they are satire, purely comedic, or ironic.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
On (American) TV? That's about it. Comedies can do serious stories (does The Simpsons still have serious episodes?), but they're just offbeat sitcoms now. Heck, even HBO has a comedy cartoon series.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Would you get anything if Justified, Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Treme, and so on were animated though?
It's funny because even comic books are shooting for live action adaptations rather than cartoon adaptations. Although, Powers probably would have actually been produced if they went with a cartoon instead of live action.
Haven't watched those so I couldn't say!
It is quite strange considering their preexisting fanbase (insert manchildren joke) consists of those who would be most receptive to an animated adaptation (assuming it's faithful).
Even stigmatized industries don't want anything to do with animation.
Hellsing321
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Chihayafuru 17
Even if this episode has average production values I still loved it.
Even if this episode has average production values I still loved it.
It had Kana laying down the Poetry history. Taichi being a cold hearted bastard. And Harada-Sensei being Harada-Sensei. Whats not to love.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Haly.
That's not true. All nerds want legitimacy, and the fact is, a hundred million dollar Avengers film is more legitimate than any Marvel cartoon/anime television series.
I mean, there are still Batman cartoons going on as far as I know... but does anyone actually watch them? Or are they just waiting for the next Nolan film?
Exactly. People with mainstream ideas on the age-appropriateness of animation will only accept things that lampoon or subvert the the usage of a "child's medium." Apparently the irony of adult themes existing in a cartoon is so rich for some people that stations like Adult Swim have made an industry out of animating mediocre and juvenile shit that succeeds solely for being packaged in cartoon form. I like a handful of [as] programming like ATHF and Harvey Birdman, but 90% of it is puke that won't let you forget for a moment that it's a mature adult cartoon for mature adult people and, quite often, animated poorly on purpose because LOL IRONY.
The cartoons serve as advertisement in order to bring up the next generation of Batman film watchers and make some action figure money in the process. I never got into comic books, but I loved Batman: The Animated series as a kid and it's the sole reason why I've consumed Batman merchandise into adulthood. I dislike the superhero film genre as a whole, but I faithfully went to the theaters for the Nolan Batman movies, enjoyed them, and fully intend to see Dark Knight Rises when it releases.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You can go serious in movies. Someone brought up the Israeli documentary Waltz With Bashir last year on GAF, and every year there seems to be a serious French animated movie out. I suppose that says more about the American market than anything else though.
That's my point entirely though. Cartoons/Amerime are either kids shows or comedies for adults.
I'm sorry I'm just not interested in things without waifus.Haly.
Well that's the thing isn't it? Why is a well made adaptation any less legitimate than casting a bunch of generic white guys as everyone?
I recalled Batman: The Brave and the Bold was well received by GAF, although I'm clueless about its broader appeal.
Usagi Drop 4
The amount of times I can't contain a giggle because of how adorable this show is would embarrass a lesser man.
Chihayafuru 2
I like it, but it's not revolutionizing my world yet. Should I be freaking out about how good it is, or just appreciating that it's really solid and enjoyable to watch? You guys are making me think I'm missing something.
Impostory 4
If only I could bear to part with Chi-chan, this would've happened. Alas.
p.s. tsundere is still best dere, but i'll make a noted exception for this scene.
The amount of times I can't contain a giggle because of how adorable this show is would embarrass a lesser man.
Chihayafuru 2
I like it, but it's not revolutionizing my world yet. Should I be freaking out about how good it is, or just appreciating that it's really solid and enjoyable to watch? You guys are making me think I'm missing something.
Impostory 4
If only I could bear to part with Chi-chan, this would've happened. Alas.
p.s. tsundere is still best dere, but i'll make a noted exception for this scene.
I heard about Waltz With Bashir when it came out but never got around to watching it. I should fix that, as I want to (at least symbolically) support animation as a legitimate art form whenever I can.
I think I was agreeing with you, but yeah, this is the situation in a nutshell.
The latter, it gets better as it goes along.
It's a show that's both quality & wholesome among a sea of shit that's neither. It also gets better as the scene is set.
Wasn't the draw for adults that Batman teamed up with a different really obscure comic book hero each episode? I don't know more about it than that. I hated The Batman (the one from the early-mid 00s with the turrible villain redesigns and Men in Black/Jackie Chan Adventures art) and didn't give Brave and the Bold a chance when that came along.
Yes, it was also very off beat and just silly at times.
dakkumauji
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Daily Lives of High School Boys 4
Pretty good episode. The whole rivalry during the cultural festival was nice especially leading up to the fight scene. My favorite part was the high school girls skit where Toshiyuki ends up tossing candy at them.
Pretty good episode. The whole rivalry during the cultural festival was nice especially leading up to the fight scene. My favorite part was the high school girls skit where Toshiyuki ends up tossing candy at them.
Yes.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
3d waifus!
Money and reach. The general public are perfectly happy to watch dumb movies every summer. No one is going to look for a cartoon that airs on some niche channel at some strange timeslot.
GAF is not the real world!
Yeah, you should. It's an interesting film regardless of the medium it is produced in (and was in fact shot with actors before being animated).
Okiedokie then!
pretty much yeah
Yes.
I'd say so, and I think that tends to be the general belief.
Regardless of whether or not you like the voices (I think they're pretty great), the dub does a good job of taking just the right amount of liberties with the dialogue to add a nice dose of character. Watching it dubbed with the subtitles on (Which I don't think anyone reasonable would ever do) made me really appreciate the work they did on the dub.
Nope.
Femmeworth
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Razgriz-Specter
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It is imo
I think American animation does have a middle ground
Disney stuff is ofcourse child oriented but PIXAR is middle of the road, when I went to Toy Story 3's premiere it was 95% adults there and they weren't geeks/nerds. everyone loved it.
You also have stuff like Futurama which has different types of stuff for everyone; comedy, romance and extremely sentimental things.
Sorry for going OT.
There's always that one guy.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Nope.
It's one of the few series where the dub is roughly on par with the sub though. So you should watch it dubbed since there aren't many of those at all.
What are the odds that most of us live to see the total or near-total death of anime?
hosannainexcelsis
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I don't think the total death of anime is likely unless Japanese culture itself dies. Of course with its population and economic troubles, the latter is certainly a possibility.
Amerime is the future!
If there's ever a season with only shows like Ro-kyu-bu, then I'd consider it the death of anime.
Well, we're about 3-4 episodes into any given season, so the average expected lifespan of anime according to folks around here will be about 2 years. I give us pretty good odds on outliving that.
However, in about 3 more weeks the doom and gloom will subside and we'll be expecting anime to last forever again. I like our odds less in this situation. That is, unless we all become vampires who house donut-lovin-lolis inside our shadows.
I should have excluded the most mainstream animation like Ghibli films, Sazae-san, Doraemon, etc. from the question, because major productions and shows for children will likely last forever. I suppose a better question is how long the enthusiast/otaku market will continue to be sustainable, as I think there's at least some real uncertainty there.
Nothing, I just said that other than loving English there is no real reason to watch Bebop's English dub instead of the original.
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