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[Black_Stride]

With CDP's comments anyone else get the feeling Microsoft is telling these companies they wont promote their game unless they get something special?

I think its alot more complicated than that.
MS has already promoted The Witcher 3 quite a bit, we may never know if Sony would have pushed the Witcher 3 anywhere near as hard as MS have. MS is probably CDPRs marketing partner for this game.

Most likely its just as the devs are saying, they want more sales so they can make money to reinvest in making more awesome games.
If that comes at the cost of letting MS sell 2 cards and a piece of cloth with the CE thats a small price to pay.

Im surprised people arent giving them some extra props for standing up to publishers and NOT releasing any exclusive ingame content.

When they say partners that does also include Gamestop, Best Buy and other retailers who compete....each one of them wants you the consumer to buy from them, thats probably where the pressure to devs to create all these only at Best buy/Gamestop content comes from.

CDPR have my respect for refusing to do any of that content.....everyone is getting the same game, they are game developers.....extra marketing riff raff shouldnt bother them that much.....but they have partners and need to have a good relationship with them.

Im wondering if the outcry is mainly from PS4 owners, cuz i would think PC gamers would applaud CDPR for still not having DRM in their game and ignore 2 cards and a cloth as something trivial.

 

[dantevsninjas]

It's easy to sit on the fence and throw rocks at people who are more invested, just saying.

It's apparently easy to get outraged over nothing too. Invested in what? These are crappy trinkets that no one needs to enjoy the game. You know what's a bullshit practice? Cutting up pieces of a game any handing them out piecemeal to retailers and certain consoles so that no one gets the full experience. I'd much rather see that practice killed and shifted to cheap tchotchkes that end up as clutter than fucking with the actual game.

 

[Wereroku]

It's apparently easy to get outraged over nothing too. Invested in what? These are crappy trinkets that no one needs to enjoy the game. You know what's a bullshit practice? Cutting up pieces of a game any handing them out piecemeal to retailers and certain consoles. I'd much rather see that practice killed and shifted to cheap tchotchkes that end up as clutter than fucking with the actual game experience.

The same could be said of the ce itself but clearly some people care. Also the exclusive dlc train is never going away you may as well get used to it.

 

[dantevsninjas]

The same could be said of the ce itself but clearly some people care. Also the exclusive dlc train is never going away you may as well get used to it.

Collector's editions are a fucking racket. I am used to the exclusive dlc nonsense, but that doesn't mean I can't call bullshit on a garbage practice.

 

[gdt]

I'd be mad about exclusive content, but I don't give two shits about a deck of playing cards lol.

CDPR is awesome, and are as consumer friendly as it gets. The Witcher 2 update to the EE reaffirmed that. Also them giving me a free copy on GOG during the Witcher 2 launch DRM fiasco.

 

[Daverid]

With CDP's comments anyone else get the feeling Microsoft is telling these companies they wont promote their game unless they get something special?

If I was to hazard a guess, here's most likely what went down:

CDPR wants TW3 to reach a wider audience and have more appeal in the West (More-so the US).
At the time, they figured Microsoft was the right avenue, as TW2 was on the 360 and the 360 was huge in the US, they probably just figured that the Xbox One would automatically be massive in the US when it released.
CDPR queries Microsoft about marketing and realizing TW3's potential, they oblige.
Microsoft require some kind of exclusivity as a 'trade', CDPR rejects any in-game extras, and the only option they are left with is to add something to the Xbox One retail version.

Of course Microsoft isn't going to promote a game unless they're getting something special, neither would Sony either, it's not some magical "MS is evil" fiasco (As much as people want to believe it after this whole TR ordeal), it's just the nature of the current Video Game industry.

However I think it's obvious (And probably obvious to CDPR themselves), that they bet on the wrong horse. I'm not saying they should have gone to Sony for a deal, but I really don't think appearing on stage at the MS conferences did all that much for them, the Xbox One is not selling overly well and lastly the backlash from many people in regards to this exclusive content, is all evidence that it was probably a bad decision.
They can't take it back though, they have to follow through and provide something exclusive for MS and frankly I think this is a pretty good middle-ground. The In-Game content is not being compromised in any way and the CE's for PC/PS4 still has incredible value and looks amazing.

I think they should have trusted their fanbase, and not bet on any horse. But we all make mistakes, I'll be heading into CP2077 with a little higher level of skepticism, but I don't think what they've done here is enough to be considered the big deal its being made out by some folk.

 

[LordBaztion]

Lol, people really didn't complaint when extra stuff was announced on selected retailers?

 

[EmptySpace]

I think its alot more complicated than that.
MS has already promoted The Witcher 3 quite a bit, we may never know if Sony would have pushed the Witcher 3 anywhere near as hard as MS have. MS is probably CDPRs marketing partner for this game.

Most likely its just as the devs are saying, they want more sales so they can make money to reinvest in making more awesome games.
If that comes at the cost of letting MS sell 2 cards and a piece of cloth with the CE thats a small price to pay.

Im surprised people arent giving them some extra props for standing up to publishers and NOT releasing any exclusive ingame content.

When they say partners that does also include Gamestop, Best Buy and other retailers who compete....each one of them wants you the consumer to buy from them, thats probably where the pressure to devs to create all these only at Best buy/Gamestop content comes from.

CDPR have my respect for refusing to do any of that content.....everyone is getting the same game, they are game developers.....extra marketing riff raff shouldnt bother them that much.....but they have partners and need to have a good relationship with them.

Im wondering if the outcry is mainly from PS4 owners, cuz i would think PC gamers would applaud CDPR for still not having DRM in their game and ignore 2 cards and a cloth as something trivial.

lol.please.tell.me. you're kidding. pc players are the more hardcore ones about the witcher. witcher 3 is the first witcher game on playstation.


i've been disappointed with cdpr the moment they went on stage with microsoft still with their drm bullcrap. the owners of gog promoting a game on xbone..seemed ironic and hypocritical at that time. in the end it was money. they were essentially promoting/supporting the console and it took money for.them to swallow their pride and stand alongside what they have been fighting against. not to mention their poland was even a tier 2 country.

 

[Final Verdict]

lol.please.tell.me. you're kidding. pc players are the more hardcore ones about the witcher. witcher 3 is the first witcher game on playstation.


i've been disappointed with cdpr the moment they went on stage with microsoft still with their drm bullcrap. the owners of gog promoting a game on xbone..seemed ironic and hypocritical at that time. in the end it was money. they were essentially promoting/supporting the console and it took money for.them to swallow their pride and stand alongside what they have been fighting against. not to mention their poland was even a tier 2 country.

They don't really have the money to put on a big marketing campaign, so partnering with one of the big 2 makes sense, and seeing as they are most familiar with DX12, partnering with Microsoft makes even more sense.

Also, just because they have a marketing partenership with MS doesn't mean that they supported/promoted the whole DRM fiasco. The partenership deal was likely made long before anyone knew if either console would be tied to DRM.

 

[Black_Stride]

lol.please.tell.me. you're kidding. pc players are the more hardcore ones about the witcher. witcher 3 is the first witcher game on playstation.


i've been disappointed with cdpr the moment they went on stage with microsoft still with their drm bullcrap. the owners of gog promoting a game on xbone..seemed ironic and hypocritical at that time. in the end it was money. they were essentially promoting/supporting the console and it took money for.them to swallow their pride and stand alongside what they have been fighting against. not to mention their poland was even a tier 2 country.

Im not disputing PC gamers being the most hardcore.

But...PC gamers are getting everything on a software side that was promised.
No DRM, and uber features beyond console. Why do the 2 cards and the cloth piss you off so much.
If its who they are marketing their game with then thats even worse, because its not like they are saying buy this game only on Xbox One, they are just trying to reach a wider audience and MS is providing the platform.

As for them being on stage with MS during DRM-gate....errr thats a tough one.
And thats not what im defending.

How else beyond Sony and/or MS would The Witcher 3 been on stage at E3 or Gamescom?
They might be gamings white knight, but they are still developers who need money, they gotta eat to make games.

If you have lost respect for them, then as they said thats sad, but at the end of the day they finally have partners now and need to sell as many copies of their game as they can while trying their best to remain gamings white knight.
No extra software content for PS4/Xbone unlike pretty much every other game that has some exclusive mission/hat/bullshit in game, they are giving gamers the same experience.

 

[iMerc]

this is no big deal at all.

seriously, modern-day gamers are damn BABIES.

console/PC exclusive features have existed since the NES.
the fucking NES. that was roughly 30 years ago.
more than half the people who post on this board were likely not even born yet…
that means that most of the people who post on this board were born into a world where this kind of practice was already in existence. this is all the more reason for why 'outrage' to this practice is just plain stupid.
not only that, but more SEVERE exclusives have been made in past generations that put 'exclusives' like this to shame.
console manufactures are trying to make their console more attractive to potential buyers. this means exclusive deals. you've had 30 years to get used to it. you're pretty DERRRP if you're still not.

seriously, the self entitlement of you lot.

on a very sizeable off-shoot/tangent…
the sheer amount of self-entitlement of this younger generation is a bloody embarrassment. whether it's video games, social media, or the political landscape, gen 'y', or whatever you're called, would have to be the most ungrateful, pessimistic, 'armchair-outrage'-enabled douchebags of any generation today.
there is absolutely ZERO positives that this generation brings to our civilisation. zero.
instead of being grateful for all the 'freedoms' and 'equalities' you were born into; that past generations have sweated for; you instead sit there and complain about not having even MORE of these 'equalities' while having none of the resolve & perseverance past generations had, in making your desired changes an actual reality.
you're simply content with having a platform to complain about shit.
sometimes i truly believe you don't even want things to improve… because then you'd have nothing to complain about anymore and you'd be faced with the realisation that you have, in fact, no use whatsoever as a generation -and furthermore, no sizeable contribution to make, to the ever evolving standards of our global society.

i do apologise for my outburst, and although i concede i'm slightly under the influence atm, i still believe my points have considerable merit.

 

[Monooboe]

I personally would much rather lose out on tat like cloth maps and playing cards than actual game content like extra missions, items etc.

I really have to disagree here, I would much rather have the physical things that have actual rarity, value (personal or monetary) and usability in the case of the cards where as a mission might be 20mins of nonessential sidequest or an item that probably is usable for the first couple hours of the game and then you find something better ingame.

 

[Fuz]

I really have to disagree here, I would much rather have the physical things that have actual rarity, value (personal or monetary) and usability in the case of the cards where as a mission might be 20mins of nonessential sidequest or an item that probably is usable for the first couple hours of the game and then you find something better ingame.

Same here.

 

[toastyToast]

It's funny to see CDP supporting patform you can't officially buy in their homeland.

They tend to add even more stuff since they self publish in Poland. Adding lots off bonuses is their strategy for curbing piracy in their local market.

 

[Fuz]

Don't players regardless of platform get a DRM-Free GoG Code for the PC version, anyway?

They do?

If so, just shift yer PC preorder to an X1, grab your dinky playing cards (which will likely be available at the Witcher Merch store anyway), and off you go?

Problem is, in many countries *all* the CEs are sold out since long... one of my friends did exactly this, but he had to order from amazon uk because in our contry they're sold out everywhere (and thus paying more for delivery).

 

[Cormano]

Lets see, we got:

1080p 60fps with no cards & no cloth map
Or
900p 60fps with cards & cloth map

Mmmmm choices.

 

[Interfectum]

If you are truly obsessed with those dumb CE trinkets why not buy the XB1 collector's edition, get the swag and sell the game, then buy the normal edition of the version you want?

 

[LiquidNarwhal]

If I was to hazard a guess, here's most likely what went down:

CDPR wants TW3 to reach a wider audience and have more appeal in the West (More-so the US).
At the time, they figured Microsoft was the right avenue, as TW2 was on the 360 and the 360 was huge in the US, they probably just figured that the Xbox One would automatically be massive in the US when it released.
CDPR queries Microsoft about marketing and realizing TW3's potential, they oblige.
Microsoft require some kind of exclusivity as a 'trade', CDPR rejects any in-game extras, and the only option they are left with is to add something to the Xbox One retail version.

Of course Microsoft isn't going to promote a game unless they're getting something special, neither would Sony either, it's not some magical "MS is evil" fiasco (As much as people want to believe it after this whole TR ordeal), it's just the nature of the current Video Game industry.

However I think it's obvious (And probably obvious to CDPR themselves), that they bet on the wrong horse. I'm not saying they should have gone to Sony for a deal, but I really don't think appearing on stage at the MS conferences did all that much for them, the Xbox One is not selling overly well and lastly the backlash from many people in regards to this exclusive content, is all evidence that it was probably a bad decision.
They can't take it back though, they have to follow through and provide something exclusive for MS and frankly I think this is a pretty good middle-ground. The In-Game content is not being compromised in any way and the CE's for PC/PS4 still has incredible value and looks amazing.

I think they should have trusted their fanbase, and not bet on any horse. But we all make mistakes, I'll be heading into CP2077 with a little higher level of skepticism, but I don't think what they've done here is enough to be considered the big deal its being made out by some folk.

This is pretty much correct to my thoughts, I figure they just bet on the wrong horse this time, but then again who wouldn't have bet on Xbone a few years back? Either way the extra stuff you get is pretty small and everyone needs to chill.

 

[milena87]

At least it's not game content, but I wonder if we can buy those items somewhere else in the future?

I'd like to have the cloth map, only if it's a quality map, of course, like those we had with the Ultima games.
I might even be interested in the card sets. I love learning new card games.

 

[GSG Flash]

Not getting the CE, but if I was getting the PC or PS4 CE, I'd be feeling ripped off if those versions cost the same as the X1 version.

 

[reptilescorpio]

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i've been disappointed with cdpr the moment they went on stage with microsoft still with their drm bullcrap. the owners of gog promoting a game on xbone..seemed ironic and hypocritical at that time. in the end it was money. they were essentially promoting/supporting the console and it took money for.them to swallow their pride and stand alongside what they have been fighting against. not to mention their poland was even a tier 2 country.

That was the hilarious thing at the time.

Showing their game off on an always-online console that wasn't even scheduled to be released in their home country!

Thanksfully things changed dramatically for all involved.