Yekshemesh
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It's goddamn terrible.
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Wkd BO 0915-1717 - Assassin and mother! clowned, lack "IT" factor
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It's goddamn terrible.
Imo Into Darkness was pretty mediocre overall, and made no sense almost all of the time, but was enjoyable for the set pieces and action. My opinion also has nothing to do with a "Faraci" review, whoever that is.
Beyond otoh really surprised me. Enjoyed it a LOT more, and Ibseriously thought it would be the other way around.
Beyond otoh really surprised me. Enjoyed it a LOT more, and Ibseriously thought it would be the other way around.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Your opinion isn't at all similar to the one he was pushing, which is the one that got picked up by a ton of media outlets.
Like, I wasn't putting forward the notion that anyone who dislikes it even a little bit was brainwashed or whatever. Just that the overarching narrative of it being the worst Star Trek ever and a "Wrath of Khan ripoff" started with him.
You can have problems with the movie (hell, I do. I don't know why Jett was talking about anyone defending Orci/Kurtzman when that didn't happen in here either) without regurgitating those specific talking points as if there was any real merit behind them.
OrangeAtlas
Member
I think the one thing that might have soured people on Star Trek Into Darkness (I still love the name) was Abrams' insistence on the whole "totally not Khan" approach.
The marketing and promoters kept repeating "we swear he's not Khan" while all the fans watching were saying back "nope that's a Khan". Then the movie comes out and they make a massive dramatic moment out of his name reveal, which just frustrated fans and meant nothing for new viewers.
The marketing and promoters kept repeating "we swear he's not Khan" while all the fans watching were saying back "nope that's a Khan". Then the movie comes out and they make a massive dramatic moment out of his name reveal, which just frustrated fans and meant nothing for new viewers.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
yeah, he ate shit for that and he should have. He was getting deep into the notion of making the marketing campaign part of the storytelling process and that's a dogshit route to take. It finally burnt him on Into Darkness (to the point where Kennedy made sure to publicly call it out after hiring him and saying that shit wouldn't be happening at Lucasfilm)
Paramount almost put it in the marketing running during that year's Final Four, but backed down and acquiesced to Abrams' demands they not do that.
Paramount almost put it in the marketing running during that year's Final Four, but backed down and acquiesced to Abrams' demands they not do that.
broncobuster
Banned
The long pause after "My name is...Khan!" was pretty funny. My theater was dead silent for a few seconds. Like when they throw hold for applause on a teleprompter and nobody claps.
That, and Spock calling Spock on the bridge, which was set up to be a secret at the end of Star Trek 09. All to ask Spock about Khan and how to defeat him. My memory is fuzzy but I don't recall Spock and Khan having a fist fight across flying vehicles in TOS.
That, and Spock calling Spock on the bridge, which was set up to be a secret at the end of Star Trek 09. All to ask Spock about Khan and how to defeat him. My memory is fuzzy but I don't recall Spock and Khan having a fist fight across flying vehicles in TOS.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That scene screamed "We need something to glue this last act to everything that preceded it" and they just chucked that in there. It's so fuckin dumb. Like present day Spock needed Old Spock to figure that shit out.
BronsonLee
Member
'How do I defeat Khan?'
'idunno, hit him harder'
'idunno, hit him harder'
Actuals are coming in. I checked in on It, Wind River and mother!, all of which were about spot on with estimates.
I'd missed that Atomic Blonde is up to $95m WW. Not sure if it has any other territories to expand to that might push it over $100m, but that's a decent haul for the $31m budget, particularly since over $50m of it came from DOM.
I'd missed that Atomic Blonde is up to $95m WW. Not sure if it has any other territories to expand to that might push it over $100m, but that's a decent haul for the $31m budget, particularly since over $50m of it came from DOM.
BronsonLee
Member
Good first effort for the Toa AtTAK
I fucking hate that, I shouldn't be doing homework to get the full story of the movie. Fuck you cloverfield and Lost(not a movie but started that shit)
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I thought Into Darkness was pretty boring when I first watched it. It's been years since I've seen it, though.
I thought it was really good for the first forty minutes or so. Things go south incredibly quickly.
I think the.... I totally not doing Khan!
Turns out to be Khan, soured people to. It wasn't a surprise or anything.
That was the moment it really fell apart. The problems of the screenplay become increasingly apparent from there.
broncobuster
Banned
Marketing can play into the story in neat ways if they handle it right. Iron Man 3 and Interstellar are two fairly recent movies that did it well. Star Wars 7 and Justice League, too, depending on how they round out the JL marketing.
The Khan thing was dumb because it meant nothing in the context of the movie. They never set up Khan Noonien Singh prior the reveal. There's no scene where they're discussing the Eugenics wars and this tyrant named Khan, and how Earth is in a period of relative peace since those days. The name Khan meant as much as John Harrison to Kirk and those characters.
The Khan thing was dumb because it meant nothing in the context of the movie. They never set up Khan Noonien Singh prior the reveal. There's no scene where they're discussing the Eugenics wars and this tyrant named Khan, and how Earth is in a period of relative peace since those days. The name Khan meant as much as John Harrison to Kirk and those characters.
LordOfLore
Banned
First Kingsman review?
http://io9.gizmodo.com/kingsman-the...&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
http://io9.gizmodo.com/kingsman-the...&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
This hot take is so old it's moldy.
Gf and I saw it last weekend. A few pacing issues that may hurt it's re-watch potential, but otherwise a good action flick. Charlize was great and so was James. Wonder if they have plans for more?
ryutaro's mama
Member
You could say it was a...
...bad Khan job.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
When did Kennedy call that shit out?
Let's not call it this.
BronsonLee
Member
Bruh you don't wanna test my creative abilities
Is that what you call them?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It was pretty early in the TFA game. Someone at some event (or maybe it was even a Q&A, I don't remember off the top) basically asked if the marketing shit from his Star Trek tenure was going to be coming to Star Wars and she was quick with the "that's not how we do things at Lucasfilm" deal.
Nothing is worse than Southland Tales.
Incoherent film. Comic book tie in was meant to explain shit. The graphic novel made everything even less coherent.
I'm happy it'll make a profit, could have been better but at least it didn't bomb.
I'm here for IT doing 20X mother!'s final BO.
* claimly writes down Biggest-Geek name and underlines it*
* googles Southland Tales*
United States alternate history
nuclear attacks
Third World War
quantum entanglement
psychic ex-porn star
Neo-Marxist
Sean William Scott
That is a lot to unpack just in the synopsis
BronsonLee
Member
I actually WATCHED Southland Tales.
What a cast. But what the fuck
What a cast. But what the fuck
Only time I see Sean William Scott is in movies late night on cinemax in between the 6th Universal Soldier movie and the Bai Ling starring vehicle.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
A Richard Kelly script, directed by Aronofsky, marketed by Paramount. I think I found the formula to break Cinemascore.
Discotheque
Banned
Role Models was fun
Role Models made me fall in love with Paul Rudd
broncobuster
Banned
I stumbled on some Sean William Scott movie where was planning to kill himself in his hometown. Rob Riggle and Anderson from Dredd were in it. That's all I remember.
Goon was OK.
Goon was OK.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Goon was much better than expected. It isn't amazing, but really solid.
Mine just got shipped from best buy, so I guess it's out tomorrow.
That's what you get for having kids. Diseases
No doubt.
I have been sick more times in the past 4 years, than I have in the 15 years prior. Washing your hands doesn't do much when they sneeze in your face.
Surprisingly great film.
My issues extend further. How he managed to reduce the supporting cast even more alongside things moving at break neck speed. This is a continual issue I have with Abram's films. Super 8 was the closest he got to a film that allowed things to just sit, but even then. He botched it at times.
broncobuster
Banned
I got mine in the mail already. Just need to find a way to play 4K blurays.
When my parents watched the movie on home video I asked my Indian dad towards the end if he knew why they named the bad guy "Khan" and he said "because of all of the Muslim terrorists right?"
That left me speechless for a good minute or two
Haha. I think that there was a comic book going into the back history of Khan that suggested that he named himself that, after Genghis Khan.
No doubt that's where the name came from in the Original Series.
Well it's not like Khan explained to the Starfleet crew who he was so of course young Spock had to call old Spock to find out who this Khan fella was and why he acted like it mattered so much.
Everytime they ask Justin Tomberlaje about it he openly admits he has no idea what the film is about. And he was the narrator.
Yeesh...
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Uh what? I love Southland Tales. It's a comedy.
The story...
Is about the end of the world, with Sean William Scott as the second coming of Christ, The Rock as the red herring, and Wallace Shawn as the antichrist.
Plus, Richard Kelly always has great soundtracks.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Southland Tales sounds like my kind of movie.