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[Chrono]

Ok... The other day I was watching fox (just channel flipping...) and they had a special on pr0n in America or sex or whatever. There comes this religious dude who says he loves beauty but portraying women in provocative clothes is "degrading" and "insulting" to women.

I hear this all the time. Does it make any sense to anyone?

First, each woman is different. I bet Lindsy Lohan loves how people are admiring her beauty. Does she feel filthy and "used" ? I doubt it. Now ugly women, I'm sure they would jump on that "degrading" band wagon but we all know why.

Second, who's to say WHAT is exactly degrading to women? If a culture says women should be covered like in Afghanistan maybe, it's natural that any girl would feel guilty over not wearing a burq'a because in her world that's what she must do. But does that make it right? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I can imagine women who wear make up and dress up JUST FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK at them. What is the difference between them? Which one is right? I think neither is.

What if a western women feels "society" is degrading her? That it's oppressive in that way? Certainly women are not being sold in slave auctions and bitch-slapped daily to perform sex acts on horny men, but could a poor woman who turned to stripping be a very "faint" example of this "oppression”?

Does that give credit to the religious IDIOT who just wants the women to do what "god" told them to do (whatever the hell that is) ? But does that mean we should ignore it? But then again what is wrong with stripping? it's only bad because "society" says so but really all that is happening is people paying for something that women has... she's not being "forced" to do it and I can easily imagine some might like it. The women's body is a natural thing and desire and sex are natural too.

People should just live their lives and let others live. Shoving your believes down other people's throats is what's wrong.


I don't know. I'm confused and angry. And I feel guilty.

Even if I know it doesn’t make sense I just keep worrying about some things. I was watching One Piece and I felt GUILTY when sanji went ga-ga over Nami. It's like I'm participating in this ugly act. Same thing when I look at SolidSnakex's avatar. I hate religion but why am I thinking this way? I just think about this and end up constructing dozens of imaginary threads and examples of those trying to "make sense" of what I should feel and think but then end up confused and paranoid and I don’t' know over what exactly. Like every time Sanji goes after nami this topic pops up and even if I can “surpass” it I can still feel in the back ground.

Though this happens to me with all anime and all topics/memories/people that are associated with negative things pop up when the slightest connection reminds me of them. Lately it’s been crazy just playing a game or watching anime withought pausing for minutes just trying to “clear” my head so I could just look and enjoy things as they are. Am I going crazy? This has been going on for years but it’s getting worse and worse.


*sigh...*

So I guess this topic is not about anything in particular but I felt if anyone is browsing the forum at Saturday midnight they wouldn't care much.

edit: I can't change the topic title.. can a mod do it? It'll make 0.01 more sense.

 

[miyuru]

Are you single?

 

[Dead]

Now listen you

 

[cubanb]

WHO CARES>>>>>> LOHAN HAS FRECKLES>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT ID DO HER

 

[Chrono]

Are you single?

WTF does that has to do with anything?

The question is: do you as a man think you are perpetuating ignorance when you look at a pepsi add with a hot chick in it? or when you say the word chick? and WHY? do you think you are participating into a negative aspect of this culture? me? I do not.

(and yeah I am single... why? )

 

[shuri]

Interesting post. I'm way too tired to post anything really meaningful or coherent, but here it goes:

The thing is that there's is a huge difference between tasteful porn (or ways /portraying women) and tasteless porn / ways of portraying woman). It's like when you watch those award shows. There's always women who are dressed classy, and then there's Christina or Jennifer Lopez. Or when it comes to porn, you have the regular softcore stuff, or you had the degrading, awful stuff released by Max Hardcore or Bukkake flicks.

There's always a line that separates good taste and bad taste. Depending on the way you were brought up, the kind of education you have, what do you believe in, you draw the line where you want and where it's socially acceptable.

For example, check out the babes threads, you always get a vast range of comments on the girls. It's all about personal taste.

As you get older, you start seeing stuff in a different way also. There's so many variables. It's like the debate about violence in videogames. You have people against it, and people who says we shouldnt censor stuff.

That reminds me of something that happened to me. I always liked violent games, anything war related I was on it, etc. In the past few years I watched a lot of movies about wars, read tons of books, and realised tons of stuff about the human side of war, violence, and the consequences. And then there's the whole iraq thing, with guys my age getting killed in guerilla attacks. Then I saw F911, and was somewhat moved by the soldier's mom segment.

I've been playing Farcry, a pc fps where you are a commando sent on a island, you have to go and kill whole squads of mercenaries to achieve your objective. You can listen to conversations of the soldiers talking about each others and so on. There's a segment where you sneak under the watchtower with two ennemies talking on it. I was under them, reloading my weapons, getting ready to kill them to move on with my mission. One of them was talking about how he hated his job and this island and the other one was agreeing.

I used the motion tracker to spot the guy through the floor. After selecting my m16, I realised that the rate of fire was too low, and I would probably have to reload (thefore risking getting shot by them or other soldiers who answered to their calls). Instead I selected the P90, a super fast machine gun with 50 bullets.

I went through all this thinking process in my head.

I spotted the first guy, who was standing at the middle of the platform. The other guy was next to the ledge. I realised they were too far apart for a quick kill. I waited until they were next to each other, and I opened fire, straight throught the wooden floor. They got killed in less than a second.

I used the ladder, went up. And looked at their corpses while picking up their sniper rifles. Man they were messed up. The bullets went thru their legs (farcry has locational damages, I could see the entry and exit holes), and thru their chests and head. I stopped for a moment to think about how sickly detailled the game was, and how it somewhat felt wrong. Then i layed low, and i spent the next 10 minutes looking at the base down the valley with my sniper rifle, taking notes , analysing ennemy patterns, planning where I was going to shoot for maximum effect. I was going to kill the two snipers on each other, then take care of the ground troops who were busy talking and training.

I killed both snipers straight in the head. Then I shot one of the two guys who were practicing at the shooting range. His buddy went up to check on him, I took advantage of it this by shooting him in the back while he was looking at his friend. Then I blew up a gasoline tank; which killed 3 soldiers who were talking about random stuff right next to it.

I went down and proceeded to clean up the barracks and the other various tents using my desert eagle, since I was in close combat and the M16 would have been less efficient in this kind of situation.

I eventually killed everyone at the camp without getting shot once by using my strategies that I've carried on from the various "serious" first person shooters i've played in my life.

Then it hit me.

That army guy a few years ago that was babbling on about how games were training players to have that certain killing instinct mindset was actually kinda right. I would never kill anyone in real life (hell i never touched a real weapon), but damn, in videogames, I was quite teh effecient killing machine.

That dude wasnt crazy. And then I was thinking about how violent the game was, and how bad it felt. I was suddenly having remorses about using my "skills" to viciously kill (they seriously never had a chance) a bunch of virtual soldiers. I dont know, it just felt so wrong. My friend once told me how vicious and just plain evil I was in those kind of games. How meticulous and strategic. How I played those games like it was for real. That idiot was right damnit

what is this thread about again?

 

[Cloudy]

I wonder what your replies look like when you're not tired, Shuri lol

 

[miyuru]

WTF does that has to do with anything?

The question is: do you as a man think you are perpetuating ignorance when you look at a pepsi add with a hot chick in it? or when you say the word chick? and WHY? do you think you are participating into a negative aspect of this culture? me? I do not.

(and yeah I am single... why? )

Hmm I dunno, I was just curious for some subconscious feeling, just wanted to get a better idea of you.

Anyway when I look at an ad or something, and think some chick is hot or whatever, nah, it's cool. She's meant to be hot to get my attention.

If I'm eating out with my friends and see a hot waitress, I don't feel guilty either.

If I tell her she's hot for the hell of it (I'm not single), I don't think it's mean or anything. People can say I'm upfront, but if I say she's hot, what's the worst that can happen? I'm just being honest/nice. I don't think she'll slap me or anything, or I don't think she should be offended. Why? I just complimented her. It's not like she'll scream "YOU LIAR, I'M SO UGLY, I HATE YOU!".

Even saying 'chick'? Nope, I'm fine.

You know why?

Because it's the meaning behind what I say. I treat people as equals, regardless of sex. So whatever I say, unless it's to degrade whoever I'm talking to, I don't feel bad.

I guess I'm just carefree like that.

 

[karasu]

I don't feel guilty at all. If a girl asked me not to call her a chick, I wouldn't. I don't see it as a derogatory term though, nor moreso than 'dude'.