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worse than hot coffee

...but obviously garnering very little attention from Hillary. sorry for quoting ***** but I haven't seen anyone pick this up yet....


Look - No blood-diluting at all!

***** isn't a political site. We don't really get involved with much outside the world of videogames - it's outside of our remit, you see. However, when politics touches upon our little alcove in the rockface of digital entertainment, we believe it's not undue for us to pass comment.

And today, perhaps the most despicable game project we've ever come across hit our radar. The National Alliance, a group seemingly convinced that brown people will one day take over the world, has deployed Ethnic Cleansing, a first-person shooter with the aim of hunting down black, Asian, Jewish and, well you know, everyone falling inside Hitler's death remit, and shooting them. The game refers to its targets as 'predatory sub-humans' with 'Jewish masters.' According to reports, Ariel Sharon is included in the game as the final boss complete with phrases such as "We have destroyed your culture!", "We silenced Henry Ford," and "Filthy white dog, you have destroyed thousands of years of planning."

It's all a bit of a shame really. ***** often wonders how these people find the time to worry about brown people so much. And what makes them worry in the first place. As far as we've worked out, and forgive us if this sounds a little cliched, brown people are pretty much like white people. Except they are brown. Sometimes they speak a different language (as do white people, quite often), do some different stuff and eat unusual food. But we've never noticed any secretly trying to dilute the blood of our white members of staff. Of course, we might be wrong and we might one day find ourselves thrown in cages by brown people, who will, according to the National Alliance, be told what to do by Jewish people. And Jewish people aren't even brown! The only way you can tell Jewish people apart from being not-brown-not-Jewish people is when you're in the shower with them at school, unless they've taken to rocking those funky twirly sideburns and big hats.

Oh well... The National Alliance promises more videogames in the future, including a game about blowing up brown and Jewish people, rather than shooting them.
 
bishoptl said:
Yeah except you can't buy this game in stores and it isn't subject to ESRB ratings. So...yeah.

Well, ESRB is voluntary.....T2/R* should just ship w/o one....it ruins the artwork on the front anyways

I think the developer is going to submit it to the IGF (independent Games Festival) @ GDC next year
 
bishoptl said:
Yeah except you can't buy this game in stores and it isn't subject to ESRB ratings. So...yeah.
But I assume you can download it, just like how hot coffee originally came into notoriety...
 
Well, ESRB is voluntary.....T2/R* should just ship w/o one....it ruins the artwork on the front anyways
Voluntary much like the "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" stickers on music is voluntary. I.E. totally not and done just to keep the federal government from instituting their own ratings board and thus having control over it.

GTA needs to stick with ESRB, regardless of the age category its given because the politcal backlash would be an even bigger negative than the whole "hot coffee" deal already has been for the industry.
 
Sorry, this game falls under the "Free of Speech". Rockstar is a different case because they lied to everyone. These people aren't hiding anything.
 
monchi-kun said:
Well, ESRB is voluntary.....T2/R* should just ship w/o one....it ruins the artwork on the front anyways

I think the developer is going to submit it to the IGF (independent Games Festival) @ GDC next year

i'd assume even MORE stores will refuse to carry it w/o an ESRB rating than already do for having an AO rating, so that wouldnt' get Rockstar anywhere.
 
littlewig said:
Sorry, this game falls under the "Free of Speech". Rockstar is a different case because they lied to everyone. These people aren't hiding anything.

I hope you're not serious. This game is beyond discriminatory. No game with a theme like this should exist.
 
I hope you're not serious. This game is beyond discriminatory. No game with a theme like this should exist.
I have to disagree with you there. Saying games like this shouldn't exist is a step down a very wrong path.
 
littlewig said:
Sorry, this game falls under the "Free of Speech". Rockstar is a different case because they lied to everyone. These people aren't hiding anything.

well, this game is "lying" because it classifies non-whites as subhuman
 
The Faceless Master said:
it's all about free speech... they can make it, doesn't mean we have to care that they do...

Well i think there's a limit to free speech. Discrimination like this is wrong no matter how you could see it. Period. People judging others for stupid reasons like this is the cause of all wars ever. Free speech doesn't mean you can say anything just like liberty doesn't mean you can kill if you want.
 
Free speech doesn't mean you can say anything.
Actually, it does. There are limitations, of course, but none that would directly apply here..

The closest restriction is you cannot say things to incite violence. Is this inciting violence? A court would probably rule it does not, because it is not accepted that what one does in a video game they will do in real-life. Else, we wouldn't have games like GTA...because it obviously is depciting violence in every form.
 
fugimax said:
Actually, it does. There are limitations, of course, but none that would directly apply here..

The closest restriction is you cannot say things to incite violence. Is this inciting violence? A court would probably rule it does not, because it is not accepted that what one does in a video game they will do in real-life. Else, we wouldn't have games like GTA...because it obviously is depciting violence in every form.

If it's true that the goal of this game is to kill by racism, it's wrong, no matter you put it. GTA is not having racist goals and themes. It's violent but to the point of a PG13 movie - big deal.
 
If it's true that the goal of this game is to kill by racism, it's wrong, no matter you put it. GTA is not having racist goals and themes. It's violent but to the point of a PG13 movie - big deal.
But the goal of killing for money, cars, and bitches is OK?

And this is my point. To some, killing someone because they are black is fine. To others, killing someone for their car is fine. Both are "wrong," but one is just *more* wrong? When we start making these kind of judgements, we get in trouble. If killing for racism is wrong and we can't talk about it, why can we kill for money/cars/bitches and talk about it?
 
Free speech in America is barely a real facet of our society. Our government will let us verbally toss every racial idiom known to man at each other and it is covered by "free speech" but let us utter one peep about reforming our government and they'll shut you down faster than Ayatolla in a Airport terminal.
 
Only games where you take a piss on crosses and wipe your butt with pictures of the pope are art.

Any game that makes a statement that I disagree with is not art, just offensive trash. This applies to all forms of media and speech. Kthx.
 
Shaheed79 said:
Free speech in America is barely a real facet of our society. Our government will let us verbally toss every racial idiom known to man at each other and it is covered by "free speech" but let us utter one peep about reforming our government and they'll shut you down faster than Ayatolla in a Airport terminal.

Anyone else find this post ironic? Or at least self-contradictory?
 
fugimax said:
But the goal of killing for money, cars, and bitches is OK?

And this is my point. To some, killing someone because they are black is fine. To others, killing someone for their car is fine. Both are "wrong," but one is just *more* wrong? When we start making these kind of judgements, we get in trouble. If killing for racism is wrong and we can't talk about it, why can we kill for money/cars/bitches and talk about it?

GTA involve killing but the goal is alot deeper and not the main one. Anyway if you want to rate anything, with your statement, anything involving killing somehow should be rated AO and that's all. ---- wich is not the way it should be done imo.
Killing is wrong. But discrimination can be seen as worse, it leads to killing.
 
Wyzdom said:
If it's true that the goal of this game is to kill by racism, it's wrong, no matter you put it. GTA is not having racist goals and themes. It's violent but to the point of a PG13 movie - big deal.
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Let's get something straight, none of this violent entertainment is "wrong" morally speaking. The way you play with your video games is no different than the way you played with your toys growing up. If you ripped the heads or limbs off of your dolls/action figures or pretended that your G.I. Joes and Transformers were blowing each other up and killing each other you were not doing something morally wrong. If you were pretending that your sister's Barbie dolls were having sex with each other you were not doing something morally wrong. It's entertainment, it's fantasy, and the people who try to inject morallity into it are the disturbed ones. Maybe some people can't draw a clear distinction between make believe play and reality, but I think most people can handle it. Even the very young seem to be capable of drawing the distinction. Kids who play with water guns usually don't desire to grab a gun and shoot someone for fun. Kids who play with toy soldiers don't become violent degenerates. We are always going to have a natural desire to have violence as part of the way that we play and entertain ourselves. Passing moral judgments against video games is ridiculous.

If anything I think violent entertainment is a release of aggression and anger, not a cause for aggression and violence. I think someone who goes and hits the punching bag at the gym is just as likely to go ahead and start punching people in real life as someone who plays GTA and then goes out and really steals cars. These mainstream games with violent content aren't simulations or training tools. The only thing playing these games is likely to make you good at is playing games. You're not going to learn how to shoot a gun or how to hotwire a car in real life by playing a video game unless it's a detailed realistic simulation.
 
The Faceless Master said:


LOLOL i was waiting for this one. This may sound racist but i feel it isn't. The game is not telling you to kill all Haitian. You have to put this one in context to understand.
Gang A is giving order to his mens to eliminate Gang B wich is composed of Haitians.
So the boss says "kill the Haitian" (Haitians here is to designate the other gang that's it).

Good try though faceless.
 
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