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[LakeEarth]

You have your favourite show, and sometimes it just seems it can do no wrong. Then... they do something so retarded, so horrible, that you just don't want to even believe they actually did that. What are some of those moments?

24
This show is awsome, and sometimes I just think they can do no wrong... but sometimes a minor character has to do SOMETHING for a few hours... I mean, they can't just be sitting around watching TV while something horrible happens. But sometimes it just gets incredibly stupid. (some spoilers for people who haven't seen 24, so WATCH IT!)

Season 1 - the wife loses her memory for 2-3 episodes. The most retarded thing I ever saw... that was until...

Season 2 - Kim Bauer, crisis magnet. First there was the child abuse stopping...then bomb running, okay, stupid but not so bad. Then the cougar... yes, that's right, A COUGAR! Then the crazy guy with guns in the woods... then horror at the convenience store... keep in mind, ALL this shit is supposed to have happened in a 12-16 hour period. Worst part of the season.

Buffy
Easy to just say Season 7, but I'll explain myself a little better. The first few episodes made you really excited... and then it just kept dragging... and dragging.. pretty soon you realize that no, nothing is actually going to occur in this season. The loose ends made in the first half of the season weren't gonna get answered. The reason why Anya keeps disappearing in certain episodes is never going to be explained. The awsome bad guy that can be any dead character ever in the show is never going to become corporeal for any kind of sweet fight scene. And fricken SMG looks bored as hell.

Couple this by the fact that at the same time, Angel (season 4) was kicking major ass, giving the Buffy fan what they'd come to expect. No, what they wanted. Great battle scenes, connected plotlines, few loose ends, a Willow not afraid to do magic... makes me sad when I think about it.

Anyways, anyone else got any other examples with other shows?

 

[COCKLES]

Season 23-24 of Doctor Who.

Textbook way to bury a popular series that used to be a staple of the nation's watching. From 14 million viewers in it's heyday to 3-4 million. Way to go BBC. Bonnie Fucking Langford.

 

[android]

Buffy
Adam without a doubt. Hey everyone a robo demon

Alias
The whole Francie thing. No No that not her thats someone else who took her face.

24
Kim. Everything about the character. Hey theres no reason for me to be here. hmm how about I magically become a computer program and then get hired for my first job at a high level government agency. I hope the cougar doesn't have security clearance. The actresses on the other hand......

Lost
The polar bear. Maybe they will explain it but wtf.

Angel

Conner, the adult. I would have prefered him remian a baby. Then angel would have to protect and raise him. Instead the get someone the teen girls will like and ruin and potential goldmine of stories.

 

[Lonestar]

Amnesia, Cougar, Kyle Singer

 

[LakeEarth]

Amnesia, Cougar, Kyle Singer

Kyle Singer wasn't bad, just... pointless!

 

[Hamfam]

Red Dwarf, series 8.

Loved everything about that show, then series 8 came along.

 

[MC Safety]

Every issue of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and Star Trek: Voayger where they go into the holodeck and the holograms come to life!

 

[Hitman]

This really does'nt need to be said again.. But the new Simpsons seasons sucks terribly.

 

[FoneBone]

Alias Season 3 finale. And the 24 Season 3 finale (and all the other 24 stuff that's been mentioned).

 

[LakeEarth]

Alias Season 3 finale. And the 24 Season 3 finale (and all the other 24 stuff that's been mentioned).

I've heard people complain about the Season 3 finale. It wasn't as super-action packed as the last two, but it wasn't horrible.

 

[Chipopo]

Sienfeld finale....although I dont know how the fuck you're supposed to end a show like that anyways.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Alias
The whole Francie thing. No No that not her thats someone else who took her face.

Bah, it might have stretched credibility (though that's nothing unusual in Alias), but that was an awesome storyline.

Lost
The polar bear. Maybe they will explain it but wtf.

Maybe? Of course they're going to explain it! I remember some idiot here talking about the Lost pilot and moaning about the polar bear and how unrealistic it was...like that wasn't part of the mystery and the writers just hadn't realised polar bears aren't natural inhabitants of tropical islands.

Angel

Conner, the adult. I would have prefered him remian a baby. Then angel would have to protect and raise him. Instead the get someone the teen girls will like and ruin and potential goldmine of stories.

Connor was awesome. We had Angel protecting Connor episodes, that would have got old fast if they'd just carried on with him as a baby. As for raising him, how long did you think Angel was going to run? By the end of S5, Connor, if he hadn't gone to the other dimension, would have at best been 3 years old. Not really much raising we can see on a real time frame there.

 

[silver]

Picture this. You've just travelled to another galaxy. You find a race of extra-terrestrials who have been killing millions of people for millions of years. They're already a huge pain in the ass for you too. And, god you're lucky, you capture one of these hard-to-kill-or-capture creatures and take it back to the base (which still is in another galaxy). A few weeks later, you get the opportunity to put your prisoner to use by testing some kind of serum on him. But oh teh noes, your commanding officer thinks it's not okay. You're in another galaxy, but when asked if you should test the serum on the prisoner, she says: "Doesn't the GENEVA CONVENTION prohibit this kind of treatment?".

THE GENEVA CONVENTION. IN ANOTHER GALAXY.

This made me cringe.

(Stargate Atlantis, "Poisoning the well")

 

[SpoonyBard]

Star Trek with hippies, episode The Way to Eden.

 

[explodet]

Every issue of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and Star Trek: Voayger where they go into the holodeck and the holograms come to life!

Hey, thanks to this particular plot device we got to see Klingons vs. Nazis. That was pretty cool in its own way.

Every other time I'd have to agree with you, though.

 

[skip]

Alias

the S3 episode sponsored by the ford F-150:

(Vaughn and Sydney run into the parking garage, looking for a car to hotwire to continue the pursuit)

SYDNEY: Take the F-150!

 

[Guzim]

 

[android]

Connor was awesome. We had Angel protecting Connor episodes, that would have got old fast if they'd just carried on with him as a baby. As for raising him, how long did you think Angel was going to run? By the end of S5, Connor, if he hadn't gone to the other dimension, would have at best been 3 years old. Not really much raising we can see on a real time frame there.

Yeah but older conner seemed like a complete marketing ploy to try and gain ratings and I hate that. It feels like WB forced it down the producers throats. Plus I hated the actor. The only good part with him imo is when Fred tazered him.

 

[TAJ]

The one that stands out was when Spike tried to rape Buffy in Buffy season 6. I never watched another episode after that.
That Old Gang of Mine in Angel season 3 pissed me off almost as badly, and I never watched a new episode after that, either.
The first episode of season 6 of X-Files was memorably bad, too. Withing a couple weeks, I'd given up on the show.
I'd been with all three shows from their premieres.

 

[spliced]

The Simpsons - When the animation went more serious in the 3rd or so season. From season 10 on.

Seinfeld final episode - They always tried to make funny the first priority on Seinfeld, no sentimentality or lessons learned, funny was always #1 until the last episode where they tried to make some kind of closure or something. They should have just made it a regular episode but they screwed up big time and turned out a crap episode, the only other episode I hate more is that one with Kathy Griffin, stupid and irritating is not funny.

Cosby Show - Raven-Symone or whatever, I agree with.

Fraiser - The whole final season was pretty crap, Wendie Malick on it as Martin's girl friend was the worst part.

Coach - when they moved to Florida to coach in the pros.

Newsradio - Hartman gone and Puddy from Seinfeld joining the cast, bleh.

Spin City - Heather Locklear and Charlie Sheen joining the cast...HELLO IT"S A COMEDY NOT SOME CRAPPY SOAP OPERA.

Scrubs - Christa Miller joining the cast and Heather Locklear guesting. The show was great from day one no need to put celebrities on and suck it up(ala The Simpsons). Oh yeah Colin Farrell is on a future episode...A new low.

Family Matters - When Urkel built the machine that gave him different personalities.

Sliders - When John Rhys-Davies left the cast.

SNL - When the cast changed and Myers, Farley, Sandler, Hartman ect were no longer there.

 

[Traumahound]

Worst moments in your favourite TV shows

Family Matters - When Urkel built the machine that gave him different personalities.

...

 

[Mama Smurf]

Yeah but older conner seemed like a complete marketing ploy to try and gain ratings and I hate that.

I honestly can't see how some unknown actor who's not even that good looking is a marketing ploy to gain ratings.

It feels like WB forced it down the producers throats.

I've never heard anything like this. And I think we would have, it's pretty well known that Spike's move to Angel and the whole take over of Wolfram & Hart came about because of the WB. So they're not afraid to tell us when somethign has been forced on them.

Plus I've heard interviews with Tim Minear discussing how Connor came about anyway. At the end of S2 they were discussing where to take the show and someone said "Can't we just bring Darla back in a box again?" as a joke, and Tim responded with a dirty joke of his own (he doesn't say what it is, but it's obviously "Couldn't we bring something back in Darla's box?"). Then Joss went "Hang on, you might have somethign there" and the whole Connor storyline was born. Then Tim says they quickly had a plan going for the season and a lot of S4 too, meaning Connor's storyline wasn't radically changed.

Plus I hated the actor.

Here's the real reason you want to think Connor was forced on the Angel producers.

The one that stands out was when Spike tried to rape Buffy in Buffy season 6. I never watched another episode after that.
That Old Gang of Mine in Angel season 3 pissed me off almost as badly, and I never watched a new episode after that, either.

...that is so weird. You watch one episode you don't like, or just one scene you don't like, and you stop watching the show? I don't even know what to say to that.

 

[Tedesco!]

Buffy
Easy to just say Season 7, but I'll explain myself a little better. The first few episodes made you really excited... and then it just kept dragging... and dragging.. pretty soon you realize that no, nothing is actually going to occur in this season. The loose ends made in the first half of the season weren't gonna get answered. The reason why Anya keeps disappearing in certain episodes is never going to be explained. The awsome bad guy that can be any dead character ever in the show is never going to become corporeal for any kind of sweet fight scene. And fricken SMG looks bored as hell.

--Ditto. Well said.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

24: Cougar, Kim, nuff said.

Seinfeld: Everything post Larry David (i.e. after Susan died.) It's like they TRIED being as irrelevant and as witty as before, but it was like the cast and writers were trying their best to be Seinfeld-ish. (Kinda vague I know.) It really showed me how important Larry David was to the whole process.

Sopranos: Turning Furio into a pussy, and then getting rid of him entirely. Seriously, that guy was a badass.

Simpsons: Whenver it went bad. Pretty subjective but for me I think it was around season 9 or 10.

Oh, and I hate the "jump the shark moments" in TV shows where they add a new kid, relative, or Leonardo Dicaprio to the show.

 

[LakeEarth]

Yeah, I'm trying my best to not talk about "jumping the shark" moments. I want just moments you hated, a single moment or episode, and then the show just went right along and kept being your favourite (ie Buffy s4, Beer Bad episode)

 

[spliced]

"You know you love me"

 

[android]

I've never heard anything like this. And I think we would have, it's pretty well known that Spike's move to Angel and the whole take over of Wolfram & Hart came about because of the WB. So they're not afraid to tell us when somethign has been forced on them.

I didn't mean that I knew that they did that, just that it felt like it. You could very well be right. But this is a well known tactic used by networks and producers to boost ratings. Star Trek:Voyager, Cosby show, Growing Pains, Buffy, Deep Space Nine and many others have done this as their ratings begin slip. That isn't what bugs me. It is the aging of Connor to teen magazine level that annoys me. They could have made him ten, or twenty five or thirty or fourty or fifty and so on, but they chose sixteen to twenty. They had that younger appeal with the Buffy cast, while Angel was a older group of characters. But as you said it could have been in the works for a long time. Still hate the actor though.

 

[android]

Yeah, I'm trying my best to not talk about "jumping the shark" moments. I want just moments you hated, a single moment or episode, and then the show just went right along and kept being your favourite (ie Buffy s4, Beer Bad episode)

Ahh... didn't see what you were getting at. Still loved all the shows I mentioned, just didn't like those story arcs. Tune(ed) in every week. And I liked the bad beer episode.

 

[LakeEarth]

Ahh... didn't see what you were getting at. Still loved all the shows I mentioned, just didn't like those story arcs. Tune(ed) in every week. And I liked the bad beer episode.

Ahh, I don't mind naming 'jumping shark' moments, they count too!

And the beer bad episode is only good for seeing Xander the bartender.

 

[Mama Smurf]

I don't want to make this an endless back and forth between us, but I liked that Connor wasn't the same age as the rest. Mixed things up a bit. Like an anti-Giles.

They could have brought him back as 10, 25, 30, 40 or 50, but I don't see how any of those ages would have helped the storyline. They needed him old enough to fight his dad, but not so old that he'd gained perspective on what had happened to him. They needed that teen angst combined with the actual horrors that he's faced (unlike most teenagers) to drive the story forwards. They needed the kid to be fucked up, so they could fuck up Angel even more.

I just feel the Connor character led to so many great storylines. I mean, the inclusion of a son for Angel, both as an adult and an infant, was basically the reason the last 3 seasons were so amazing (not so much S5, though his influence was felt). I couldn't even begin to list all the repercussions from Darla's pregnancy onwards.

Moving off Angel, I was pretty fucking unimpressed when Alias went down such a shitty B-movie plot route in the S3 finale and had Lauren

Spoiler

gasp out important information to Sydney as she died.

 

[android]

lets agree to disagree

 

[Socreges]

Arrested Development: When they switched Martas

Seinfeld: Everything post Larry David (i.e. after Susan died.) It's like they TRIED being as irrelevant and as witty as before, but it was like the cast and writers were trying their best to be Seinfeld-ish. (Kinda vague I know.) It really showed me how important Larry David was to the whole process.

Sorry, which season/episode was it that Larry David stopped being involved?

 

[CajoleJuice]

Sorry, which season/episode was it that Larry David stopped being involved?

As much as I love Larry David, I really think the last season of Seinfeld had some of the best episodes. And I also thought the last episode was decent.

So, Cougar and Kim win.

 

[Triumph]

Thankfully, every moment of Family Guy and Arrested Development is pure unadulterated AWESOMENESS.

 

[J2 Cool]

Simpsons - Since it died many years ago

Married with Children - Seven

Ren and Stimpy - When John K and Spumco left leaving behind some of the greatest cartoons ever the 1st season and never getting to complete another full one. Also realizing in the new series, that the magic will not be rekindled. As much as the guy is brilliant, he's also got a lot of flaws in what he believes makes a great cartoon. John lost any kind of subtlety without a children's show label on Ren and Stimpy. There were flashes of some great stuff but he believed people loved his outrageous gross humor. And while that was cool to see sprinkled in at times, he lost the bizarre nature of his 3-dimensional characters and made them 1-dimensional adult gags

Seinfeld - Last episode. Like said, finish it strong with another adventure and end it. Also, I'm not entirely sure when Larry David quit but I'd bet a week's salary he'd have ended it much different. There should not be any sentimental moments in Seinfeld. It's a blemish on an otherwise fantastic series. Maybe the best ever.

Full House - People growing up. I mean, what the fuck?

 

[Deezer]

Ren and Stimpy - When John K and Spumco left

Ugh, I know. I hated Ren's voice change, and that alone made it hard for me to watch.

 

[MASB]

When Harold left Uncle Red for the city in The New Red Green Show. Truly one of the worst/saddest events in the history that is Canadian television.

 

[etiolate]

X-Files - When Mulder left.

Buffy - When Oz left and Willow went lezbo

 

[Anyanka]

The reason why Anya keeps disappearing in certain episodes is never going to be explained.

What do you mean? Anya isn't in 3 eps in S7, but none of the absenses are all that mysterious or anything. She was out of the gang and a vengeance demon during Help so it's not strange she wasn't involved there. The entire events of Conversations With Dead People take place in like 45 minutes and since she wasn't talking to The First there was no reason to have her in it. Dirty Girls is the only questionable disapearance, but you can easily speculate she was out looking for information on FE since she presents new info in the following ep.

She was treated really poorly that year though. They gave Emma nothing to do besides sit on the couch and be sarcastic. They barely even follow up on the story they started in Selfless. Just one of many writing problems with that year.


I thought Joss could do no wrong until season 7. Bring on the Night is the beginning of the end. When the doorbell rings and Buffy opens the door and Giles has the SITs with them...that right there is it. That was the end of good Buffy. The SITs are death.

If I had to pick one moment in particular that I hate, it'd be Anya dying in Chosen. That REALLY upsets me. I still haven't gotten over it and probably won't ever.




And Larry David wrote the Seinfeld finale.....

 

[hobbitx]

Thankfully, every moment of Family Guy and Arrested Development is pure unadulterated AWESOMENESS.

Yeah, but those are both pretty young shows who knows what the future holds....
*dun dun duuuun*

Seriously, the worst moment ever for me off the top of my head would have to be that Hypnogerm episode of ATHF. That was the worst ATHF episode I've ever seen. It seemed like they were just using that ep to test some other AS team's bunk concept out on the audience. Guinea pigs we were I tellz YA! Guinea Pigz! *recieves dart in back of neck from man in black*

Oh my god!! I knew I was about to forget something, the british episodes of Tales From the Crypt. God were those horrible, there was like one good one that had the Vampire couple and I think that may have just been an older ep that just happened to have a british theme. I remember the show didn't last much longer after that either.

 

[J2 Cool]

And Larry David wrote the Seinfeld finale.....

*swallows gum*

 

[Team Rancid]

Roseanne- Winning the lottery and the HORRIBLE series end.

Brady Bunch- Cousin Oliver joining.

Seinfeld- Overuse of Puddy and J. Peterman

King of Queens- Pretending Carrie ISN'T preggo in real life.

Sporanos- Tony's dreaming episode.

Happy Days- (no, not when he jumped the shark). Ritchie/Ralph leaving.

 

[Prospero]

Twin Peaks--the stretch of episodes in the second season right after

Spoiler

the Laura Palmer murder is resolved.

 

[Tazznum1]

Six Feet Under - the whole year ff thing. Married, kid etc. WTF? It was ruined from there.

Rosanne - winning lotto

Seinfeld - worst ending ever.

Sopranos - never wrapping up any ties.

Three's company - when chrissy left.

All in the family - when Gloria and mike left and they got that damn kid.

And every show that had sexual tension that they finally gave in to. i.e. Who's the Boss, Frasier,

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Arrested Development:
Sorry, which season/episode was it that Larry David stopped being involved?

Larry David left after Susan died (end of season 7.) God, I mean that was the most caustic, apathetic moment on that show, when George is just standing there unsure of how to react. From there, Seinfeld was just a mish-mash of forced catch phrases that were trying too hard (yada yada, Serenity now, the whole "helllloooo" thing from the belly button.) I didn't hate it, it's just that it seemed a bit... off. Hell there are some really good ones in there, but a spark seemed to be missing.

I've argued about the final episode before, but I thought it was a fitting end. Not necessarrily laugh-out-loud, but funny in a subtle, ironic way. Granted, it wasn't the best Seinfeld episode, but it wasn't the worst IMO.

 

[UltimateMarioMan]

Picture this. You've just travelled to another galaxy. You find a race of extra-terrestrials who have been killing millions of people for millions of years. They're already a huge pain in the ass for you too. And, god you're lucky, you capture one of these hard-to-kill-or-capture creatures and take it back to the base (which still is in another galaxy). A few weeks later, you get the opportunity to put your prisoner to use by testing some kind of serum on him. But oh teh noes, your commanding officer thinks it's not okay. You're in another galaxy, but when asked if you should test the serum on the prisoner, she says: "Doesn't the GENEVA CONVENTION prohibit this kind of treatment?".

THE GENEVA CONVENTION. IN ANOTHER GALAXY.

This made me cringe.

(Stargate Atlantis, "Poisoning the well")

As Major Sheppard pointed out "If the Wraith had been at the Geneva Convention they would have fed on everyone" But just because your in "another galaxy" doesn't mean the Geneva Convention should be ignored. The Wraith are just evil and can't be reasoned with. This does not count as a "worst moment" sorry.

 

[LakeEarth]

What do you mean? Anya isn't in 3 eps in S7, but none of the absenses are all that mysterious or anything. She was out of the gang and a vengeance demon during Help so it's not strange she wasn't involved there. The entire events of Conversations With Dead People take place in like 45 minutes and since she wasn't talking to The First there was no reason to have her in it. Dirty Girls is the only questionable disapearance, but you can easily speculate she was out looking for information on FE since she presents new info in the following ep.

I'm talking more along the last 7 episodes or so. She's there one ep, and gone the next, then there the following, then gone again.

And don't forget about the Beljoxer's eye thing saying "buffy is the reason why the First Evil can attack".... they didn't even touch that after that episode.

 

[Guzim]

the only other episode I hate more is that one with Kathy Griffin, stupid and irritating is not funny.

Worst Seinfeld episode ever!

 

[Manics]

Sopranos - never wrapping up any ties.

Sopranos has another season to go.

 

[Tazznum1]

Impossible to tie up all of them. Plus we have to wait another 1+ years. Crazy.