Draugoth
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The open-world action RPG from Kuro Games has also secured the number one spot for downloads on Top Charts in 100 regions. It recorded over 30 million downloads worldwide in the opening three weeks of launch.
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Wuthering Waves has reportedly made over $110 million within first month of global release
The open-world action RPG from Kuro Games has also secured the number one spot for downloads on Top Charts in 100 regions. It recorded over 30 million downloads worldwide in the opening three weeks of launch.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I tried it on EGS and it stinks 
Mobilemofo
Member
I bet it's sequel will be called wuthering heights (gotta get them.kate bush zingers in, for those old enough). 
Guilty_AI
Member
i can only think of the Angra versionI bet it's sequel will be called wuthering heights (gotta get them.kate bush zingers in, for those old enough).
PSYGN
Member
It's so uwu-y
Mobilemofo
Member
Agreed. The name is mildly disturbing, and puts me off straight away.
Varteras
Member
I mean really the only way to effectively say names like those are with a speech impediment.
Mobilemofo
Member
That's not bad at all...quite like it. Also, listen to "this womens worth" by Maxwell. It's beautiful.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
New IP Live Service game doing well?
What. Are. The. Odds?!
What. Are. The. Odds?!
Varteras
Member
Guilty_AI
Member
more like new waifu gacha game doing well. I'm surprised the west still hasn't cracked the code.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
File Under: Live Service / GAAS
Angry_Megalodon
Member
This exactly.
It's one of my biggest disappointments since I thought they would try to differentiate themselves from Genshin. They just delivered a mildly darker Genshin that cannot compete with the original.
Good news for Kuro is that they have room to make core changes before Azure Promilia sweeps the floor with both.
Mobilemofo
Member
I think with live services , it's a case of throw some shit at a wall, see what sticks, and expand upon that shit in quick fashion.
Guilty_AI
Member
Not all GAAS is equal though.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
From now on I will only call this game Worcestershire Sauce.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
more like watering wives.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Just for the record: games like this or Genshin are not strictly "waifu games". Yes, there are chicks pleasant to the eye, but that's pretty much it. On the other hand, they have production values superior to most JRPGS and budgets bigger than most AAA so the risk factor is high.
For Western studios this is not about lack of willingness but lack of capacity. They can't keep up with 40-50 hours of new content every six months and events every two months. It's impossible with their poor work ethics. Blue-hairs could never.
For Western studios this is not about lack of willingness but lack of capacity. They can't keep up with 40-50 hours of new content every six months and events every two months. It's impossible with their poor work ethics. Blue-hairs could never.
March Climber
Member
What are your positive and negative impressions? I'm waiting on the console release.I tried it on EGS and it stinks
Pejo
Gold Member
I have been playing this game since CBT2, and I think this is a positive start. For anybody think that they could release as a small studio and immediately compete with Genshin (a mutli-BILLION dollar revenue game with 4 years of content) are on crack. I think considering their size and experience, they made a better attempt than any other game has done so far, such as Tower of Fantasy, Blue Protocol, etc.
The core gameplay is leaps and bounds more interactive and fun, and some of the swap combos and hologram challenges are tougher than any AA/AAA character action game released in the last 5 years.
I know GAF has a bias against gacha games, live service games, Chinese games, and open world games, so I don't expect people to actually try it and give it a fair shot on this forum, but it's legitimately a good first attempt into the market and I think it could be a very solid game if they continue to refine, add, and grow it.
The core gameplay is leaps and bounds more interactive and fun, and some of the swap combos and hologram challenges are tougher than any AA/AAA character action game released in the last 5 years.
I know GAF has a bias against gacha games, live service games, Chinese games, and open world games, so I don't expect people to actually try it and give it a fair shot on this forum, but it's legitimately a good first attempt into the market and I think it could be a very solid game if they continue to refine, add, and grow it.
YukiOnna
Member
Combat system and world interaction is fun, girls are cute, and it's visually quite pleasing. Sucks the story suffered due to the issues leading up to launch + rewrite and initial performance issues rng, but it's cool. I prefer the player character interactions in this game than what Genshin does. I hope it does well for competition against Mr. Hoyoverse
Angry_Megalodon
Member
I expected an open-world Punishing Gray Raven, with more difficult combat, less grindy and more "free exploration" without text walls. In short, learning from Genshin mistakes. I will give it a try on PS5 but I feel it as a missed opportunity.
For example, Arknights Endfield, that game really looks cool and unique, though very niche for gacha.
Pejo
Gold Member
They already fired the writer and voice acting directors and have made a plan to basically do an early story rewrite. I totally agree that the story particularly was awful, especially in english. There's a lot of stuff they straight up copied from Genshin and a lot of things that are the same/worse. I'm just saying the core combat is fun and incredibly deep once you look at swap combos, parries, dodge counters, etc.
I don't hate on anybody that actually tried it and doesn't like it, it's totally not perfect and I am not saying that everyone should try it - or any gacha game - but I'm just saying the combat is a solid base to start with, the character designs are better than average, and they seem very invested in making the game better. A new patch drops in a few weeks where we'll get a taste of what they've been working on since launch and see if the weaknesses are being addressed. I'm hopeful that we see some of the improvements at that time.
Endfield looks boring as hell to me, but I'm not into base building type games and that's supposedly what it is at its core with a very passive battle system.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
I love Death Stranding so Endfield seems my type of game. Similar vibes. The OST is fantastic.
Kuro's strong suit is combat so they should have stuck to that. Make the game simpler, more combat-focused, etc. Just elevate all the virtues of PGR in a desolate world. Right now I'm in the wrong, since they are making millions, but I believe that for the long run they need their own identity as Mihoyo did with Honkai Star Rail.
And remove the fucking 50/50, goddammit.
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Bkdk
Member
Yet another example of money not earned as western studios would rather pay millions of dollars to lick sweet baby inc's boots. in the west you can literally made uncensored gacha game, with better graphics, physics, animation technology and make 200 million dollars on first month, but no, they have to be sweet baby inc. simp, what a joke.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
The West is too busy paying consulting fees to Sweet Baby Inc
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
The majority of gacha games generate most of their revenue from the CN, JP, and KR markets (yes, this even applies to popular HoYoverse games like Genshin and Star Rail).
Due to this, some developers don't even bother releasing a Global version of their gacha titles.
Although this is an old graph, it clearly shows how even a highly popular gacha game like Genshin has the US + Germany + 'Others' markets accounting for less than 30% of the total revenue it generates.
So yeah, good luck to western devs/pubs trying to enter the relevant gacha markets (CN, JP and KR).
Unknown Soldier
Member
USA are pulling their weight here though. 11% of downloads, 13% of revenue. USA knows how to spend money, it's the rest of the West that are weakThe majority of gacha games generate most of their revenue from the CN, JP, and KR markets (yes, this even applies to popular HoYoverse games like Genshin and Star Rail).
Due to this, some developers don't even bother releasing a Global version of their gacha titles.
Although this is an old graph, it clearly shows how even a highly popular gacha game like Genshin has the US + Germany + 'Others' markets accounting for less than 30% of the total revenue it generates.
So yeah, good luck to western devs/pubs trying to enter the relevant gacha markets (CN, JP and KR).
China seems about right, but holy shit at Japan LMAO. It's no wonder no one in Japan has money to raise a family or whatever
Pejo
Gold Member
Depending on what the source of this data is, I'm guessing this is only Mobile (probably either iOS or Android). PC/Consoles are more of a western thing for games of this nature and the split is probably more even on those platforms. Problem is MHY is the only one that has that data and they don't share, so we have to get what we can from the public mobile platform estimates.The majority of gacha games generate most of their revenue from the CN, JP, and KR markets (yes, this even applies to popular HoYoverse games like Genshin and Star Rail).
Due to this, some developers don't even bother releasing a Global version of their gacha titles.
Although this is an old graph, it clearly shows how even a highly popular gacha game like Genshin has the US + Germany + 'Others' markets accounting for less than 30% of the total revenue it generates.
So yeah, good luck to western devs/pubs trying to enter the relevant gacha markets (CN, JP and KR).
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
The revenue estimates and their regional split are for mobile (iOS and Android) and come from the usual trackers like AppMagic and Statista. There isn't much information available on console and PC, but they typically account for a lower percentage of the total revenue compared to mobile.
Anyway, what I was trying to say is that even juggernaut titles like Genshin and Star Rail still generate the majority of their revenue from CN and JP markets. So, if western developers and publishers want to enter the waifu and husbando gacha market, they will need to cater to the specific demands of Chinese and Japanese fans, and tbf, I don't see it happening.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Japan is keeping Fate Grand Order the most profitable Sony's IP up to this day. They are very strong in their fandom towards certain games. Its CRIMINAL that Sony hasn't capitalized on FGO, since that is a console-seller. I don't mean something half-assed but full AAA JRPG ala Genshin.
Pejo
Gold Member
Yea I know what you mean, I'm just saying I'd bet the US/European market has a higher % share of console/PC sales than the sub ~20% that mobile dictates, that's all. I'm sure the lion's share is coming from CN/JP like usual, but it's probably not quite a dire looking as the mobile chart, and the western markets are obviously there enough for them to continue to not only localize the text, but also full dubs in various languages.
Yep agree 100%. They don't have the development talent (or the talent is too scared) to make attractive designs anymore anyways. You'd get Hyenas-tier character designs and ain't nobody west or east pulling for that shit in a gacha.
Unknown Soldier
Member
They made Fate/Samurai Remnant and nobody bought it
Phone gamers by and large don't play console games in Asia
Revolutionary
Member
Would have made even more if the story and writing weren't complete dogshit.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
That's a low effort game. I'm talking about a gacha or traditional adventure game like Genshin. Sony had the resources, popular characters, lore... but PS Studios can't make anything Asian, they decided to burn their roots and give up the Japanese market. WIth the rise of China and Korena now they realize how fucking wrong they are but it's late for their first parties to catch up with that.
Guilty_AI
Member
Altough not an iron-clad rule, Asia generating a huge portion of the revenue tends to be the case for a lot of GAAS regardless.The majority of gacha games generate most of their revenue from the CN, JP, and KR markets (yes, this even applies to popular HoYoverse games like Genshin and Star Rail).
Due to this, some developers don't even bother releasing a Global version of their gacha titles.
Although this is an old graph, it clearly shows how even a highly popular gacha game like Genshin has the US + Germany + 'Others' markets accounting for less than 30% of the total revenue it generates.
So yeah, good luck to western devs/pubs trying to enter the relevant gacha markets (CN, JP and KR).
...though i shouldn't expect western devs to have any competency in creating quality waifus, so i suppose they really would fail trying to break into that market.
Cyberpunkd
Member
I'm pretty sure all these games nail the perfect balance between dev time and how shit can they be to maximize revenue.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
It would be interesting for SIE (or I guess Sony Group) to invest more in the gacha game-sphere considering the success they've had with FGO on mobile and now also with 3rd party gacha games on PS5.
Having someone like Kuro Games (WuWa and PGR dev for people reading this) being given proper time and resources to actually make something rivaling Genshin would be dope, plus it will also help Sony with their goal on expanding more into mobile.
showernota
Member
Well deserved. It’s the first gacha game I’ve tried, and the gameplay is very good. It seems very generous to f2p as well.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
whales 
samoilaaa
Member
do people play these type of games for the story ? i think its more about the addiction
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Of course. Stories/worldbuilding/character development are key success factors for the long run in every gacha, without exceptions.
Some games are rewritten from scratch. Gacha devs are collecting feedback from people constantly. The backlash and outrage for a bad story/lore decision may kill a game completely, even before release. This has already happened with Girls Frontline 2. Some lore was leaked, people didn't like it and the game is DOA.
