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[Nankatsu]

Beta 2.1 Changes:

Seems like Brant got a huge buff on his forte, and a slight nerf on his Resonance Liberation.

As it stands now, he has 1660% ish total scaling on forte, the second highest scaling of the game from a single skill, only behind full forte Jinhsi blast.

 

[Mayar]

Nah, it's the same rate in both games for the base 240 energy, but I think the overflowing waveplate which is capped at 480 does regenerate at a slower rate (will have to check in-game to be sure).

• ZZZ: Battery Charge is the stamina system of Zenless Zone Zero. It refills at a rate of one point every 6 minutes until it hits the cap of 240, taking 24 hours to fill from empty (0).
• WuWa: Waveplates passively regenerates at a rate of 1 unit every 6 minutes, until it reaches its max capacity (240).

Edit: Speaking of annoying stamina/energy recharge, you should see how it works in Genshin. The energy there called resin is capped at 200 and regenerates at a rate of 1 unit every 8 minutes. There's no backup battery, so if you've reached the 200 resin cap, you stop replenishing your resin until you start spending it. :/ The batteries/crystal solvents equivalent are very, very valuable there.

Oh, if only that were the problem, mihoyo is so kind that on top of the system with enetgy they also made a random in random.
1) If you go to farm artifacts, you have a random chance to get one of 2 sets, that's already good.
2) You need some specific piece from the whole set, another small random
3) Well, so that you don't get bored, we will also make a chance of the necessary stat appearing for each stat and for each artifact, while the most necessary and rare stats will have a very low chance
In principle, if you are a very "lucky" person, you can farm a normal piece of an artifact for 2-3 months, since, for example, the chance of EM appearing on Goblet is only 2.5%
Well, then you start sharpening this artifact and it turns out to be complete crap and you delete it and start all over again

That's why energy is far from being the biggest problem, although it does cause a lot of problems. But they make money selling it, so nothing will change here.
The system of leveling up and dressing up characters from mihoyo is one of the worst things that humanity has ever invented.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Oh, if only that were the problem, mihoyo is so kind that on top of the system with enetgy they also made a random in random.
1) If you go to farm artifacts, you have a random chance to get one of 2 sets, that's already good.
2) You need some specific piece from the whole set, another small random
3) Well, so that you don't get bored, we will also make a chance of the necessary stat appearing for each stat and for each artifact, while the most necessary and rare stats will have a very low chance
In principle, if you are a very "lucky" person, you can farm a normal piece of an artifact for 2-3 months, since, for example, the chance of EM appearing on Goblet is only 2.5%
Well, then you start sharpening this artifact and it turns out to be complete crap and you delete it and start all over again

That's why energy is far from being the biggest problem, although it does cause a lot of problems. But they make money selling it, so nothing will change here.
The system of leveling up and dressing up characters from mihoyo is one of the worst things that humanity has ever invented.

Yeah, I'm still a ways off where I'll have to start farming for artifacts, but I can already see how much a pain it will be and I'm just adventure rank 39 (will hit 40 today), but that's why I'm saving as much condensed resin as I can.

Anyway, this is a WuWa OT, so I think it's best to keep it mostly WuWa related. I only mentioned Genshin and ZZZ as a comparison for their respective energy systems, so Spyxos can have a better understanding of the waveplates used in WuWa.

 

[Pejo]

Waveplate scarcity isn't as much of a problem anymore since they have so many side events giving out misc xp/growth materials. Back in 1.0 it was pain incarnate since there were no good drip feed or secondary sources of these materials. Character building has gotten much much more forgiving in the past few patches. Now my only real complaint is that you can only fight weekly bosses 3 times per week and even at max SOL3, they don't give enough drops per run. Well, that, and you can't use level 1 echoes as xp fodder for other echoes. Not even Genshin is that stingy with artifacts.

 

[Mayar]

Yeah, I'm still a ways off where I'll have to start farming for artifacts, but I can already see how much a pain it will be and I'm just adventure rank 39 (will hit 40 today), but that's why I'm saving as much condensed resin as I can.
Anyway, this is a WuWa OT, so I think it's best to keep it mostly WuWa related. I only mentioned Genshin and ZZZ as a comparison for their respective energy systems, so Spyxos can have a better understanding of the waveplates used in WuWa.

Oh, I understand you perfectly, I have only one game of theirs left that I still play, that's HSR. And I still don't have good boots for Lingsha, she been out for 3 or 4 month since her banner release ? It's much easier in WuWa to dress up characters, what I'd really like is for them to do, it's finally increase the amount of resources for the Echo there are of course events, but you have to wait for them. + 200% please increase the limit of attempts from 3, well, at least to 5 (per week) for loot from bosses, that would be just magical.

 

[Icymanipulator]

Started building up Baizhi , not sure if I’ll ever need her/use her, but of all the standard characters, she is my favorite design by far.

The only characters I really want at this point are Jinhsi and Camellya.

 

[Mayar]

Started building up Baizhi , not sure if I’ll ever need her/use her, but of all the standard characters, she is my favorite design by far.

The only characters I really want at this point are Jinhsi and Camellya.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a member of the Big Booba Club here - respect brother . But seriously, she is a good character, one of the most stable Healers, you can add her to any group for stable healing.

The only characters I really want Camellya.

Sorry, you can't fix her.

 

[Nankatsu]

Take with a grain of salt:

Spoiler: Future Characters Kit Leak + Tacet Mark Locations

I honestly don't like this trend of exclusive partners, but it is what it is.

If Zani ends up being a pure support for Phoebe, it's a huge pass for me sadly. 0 interest in Phoebe.

 

[Icymanipulator]

Take with a grain of salt:

Spoiler: Future Characters Kit Leak + Tacet Mark Locations

I honestly don't like this trend of exclusive partners, but it is what it is.

If Zani ends up being a pure support for Phoebe, it's a huge pass for me sadly. 0 interest in Phoebe.

Agreed I have zero interest in Phoebe. She’s a snooze fest story and design wise.
I also don’t care that much for Zani either.

M Mayar
I quit Star rail for WuWa, only time for so many different games and Star rail was getting pretty stale imo.

 

[Dragon_Rocks]

Agreed I have zero interest in Phoebe. She’s a snooze fest story and design wise.
I also don’t care that much for Zani either.

M Mayar
I quit Star rail for WuWa, only time for so many different games and Star rail was getting pretty stale imo.

I am considering quitting Genshin and just watch the rest of the story on YouTube. It's got really boring lately and it's playstyle is very inferior compared to Wuwa.

 

[Icymanipulator]

I am considering quitting Genshin and just watch the rest of the story on YouTube. It's got really boring lately and it's playstyle is very inferior compared to Wuwa.

Ya I have not been impressed with Natlan at all, characters or the map. WuWa is a breath of fresh air

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Wuthering Waves 2025 Fan Creation Special Program Redeem Codes are here:

【STARRYSTAGE】
Including: Astrite*80, Advanced Resonance Potion*5, Advanced Enclosure Tank*5
【ALLEYESONUS】
Including: Astrite*80, Advanced Energy Core*5, Shell Credit*50000

Codes expires on Feb 12 I think.

Btw, the fan creation special program is pretty cool; it's worth leaving on in the background while you do something else.

 

[Nankatsu]

I don't know if it was a feature before, but the % tracker you can access via the map made me realize I still have a huge chunk of exploration to do in all 3 regions.

I thought I was close to axing Rinascita, but oh boy, was I wrong.

On another note, the Towers sidequest is pretty cool.

 

[Icymanipulator]

Does Baizhi not get a Companion Story?
I don’t see one for her any where in the list? Sad.

 

[Nankatsu]

Does Baizhi not get a Companion Story?
I don’t see one for her any where in the list? Sad.

As far I know, there's no 4 star unit with a companion quest. Maybe in the future, but for now only 5 stars got that treatment.

You got that quest related to Lumi, when she launched, but that isn't considered a companion quest.

 

[Mayar]

Does Baizhi not get a Companion Story?
I don’t see one for her any where in the list? Sad.

They are gradually adding character quests, not all characters from 1.0 have such a quest yet, the same Encore got it relatively recently, although she has been in the game from the very start (By the way, it is very good).

Take with a grain of salt:

It's easier to wait for the test server here. And there are a lot of questions about this information.
Cantarella - CA, Healer + Havoc Buff. It's not entirely clear why this is a partner for Phoebe, as far as I remember she doesn't have CA and her damage is not Havok but Spectro, that is, I don't understand how this should work.
Jinhsi - honestly, any character can be with her, she is the most versatile DPS in the game, she doesn't care who she is paired with, she can even play with Yuanwu and feel great. But then again, she is Spectro, and the buff on Havoc will be completely useless for her + Verina with her buff on CA and on S4 she also increases Spectro's damage and this is a character with a regular banner, so she is not a competitor at all.
Zani - if i believe the leaks Zani is a melee fighter with gauntlets, usually for fast rotations with such fighters they use the same melee fighters, for speed and quick switching. So you just need to look if Zani is a melee fighter with fast attacks and Phoebe is a ranged mage, with very slow attacks and long casts it will be terrible to play and rotations will be very jerky, and speed is the main thing in this game.

That's why I have huge doubts about this leak, there are too many contradictions here.

 

[Nankatsu]

They are gradually adding character quests, not all characters from 1.0 have such a quest yet, the same Encore got it relatively recently, although she has been in the game from the very start (By the way, it is very good).


It's easier to wait for the test server here. And there are a lot of questions about this information.
Cantarella - CA, Healer + Havoc Buff. It's not entirely clear why this is a partner for Phoebe, as far as I remember she doesn't have CA and her damage is not Havok but Spectro, that is, I don't understand how this should work.
Jinhsi - honestly, any character can be with her, she is the most versatile DPS in the game, she doesn't care who she is paired with, she can even play with Yuanwu and feel great. But then again, she is Spectro, and the buff on Havoc will be completely useless for her + Verina with her buff on CA and on S4 she also increases Spectro's damage and this is a character with a regular banner, so she is not a competitor at all.
Zani - if i believe the leaks Zani is a melee fighter with gauntlets, usually for fast rotations with such fighters they use the same melee fighters, for speed and quick switching. So you just need to look if Zani is a melee fighter with fast attacks and Phoebe is a ranged mage, with very slow attacks and long casts it will be terrible to play and rotations will be very jerky, and speed is the main thing in this game.

That's why I have huge doubts about this leak, there are too many contradictions here.

Well if Zani turns out to be , it's a no brainer to go for Shorekeeper.

But yeah, you're right. Giving the traction and popularity Zani's got, I doubt they'll make her a exclusive partner for Phoebe.

 

[Mayar]

Well if Zani turns out to be , it's a no brainer to go for Shorekeeper.

But yeah, you're right. Giving the traction and popularity Zani's got, I doubt they'll make her a exclusive partner for Phoebe.

It's extremely unlikely, they've never released a character and it was bad. The question here will be more about how easy she will be to use, whether she made for experienced users or for beginners, or somewhere in the middle, that's what her popularity will depend on.

 

[Nankatsu]

 

[Mayar]

This is too dark even for me

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Didn't expect to one hit this glowing echo. Also, lol with the timing of the slow motion.

 

[Nankatsu]

Bruh, Male Carlotta from Punishing Gray Raven is fucking awesome

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Just finished The Black Shores.

What an incredible personal story of not only Shorekeeper (hopefully she'll get a rerun in 2.1), but Rover as well. It gets a bit too wordy at times with unnecessary exposition and banter with names and technical stuff you don't even know the meaning of, but that's about the only complaint I have.

The gameplay sequence when you run on the sides of buildings and fly through portals in different and changing locations was amazing (not to mention other stuff related to the story) and I liked The Black Shores location a lot as well, or rather two of them - similar, yet different. I only finished one character story so far so I better get them all done before going to Rinascita

It's so annoying though that mats needed to level up Carlotta are not available prior to 2.0 and you can't even buy them, so I ended up not playing as her at all for the last 20 or so hours cuz I can't lvl her up

 

[Spyxos]

It's so annoying though that mats needed to level up Carlotta are not available prior to 2.0 and you can't even buy them, so I ended up not playing as her at all for the last 20 or so hours cuz I can't lvl her up

I leveled her up a bit before 2.0. You are simply teleported to a boss. You don't get anything from the story.

 

[Icymanipulator]

As far I know, there's no 4 star unit with a companion quest. Maybe in the future, but for now only 5 stars got that treatment.

You got that quest related to Lumi, when she launched, but that isn't considered a companion quest.

Ya I noticed last night after posting, oh only 5* get companion story. Kind of lame but not the end of the world I guess.

 

[Doom85]

I leveled her up a bit before 2.0. You are simply teleported to a boss. You don't get anything from the story.

There’s a limit because eventually you need these flowers to ascend her further and they’re not available in any of the earlier regions.

 

[Nankatsu]

Devs are on the pizza with no pineapple team.

 

[Pejo]

Devs are on the pizza with no pineapple team.

There was a note on the black shores dock before you go to Rinascita where they had a few funny notes about blending in there. A huge part of it was to never mention pineapple (or whatever the WuWa version of pineapple is) on pizza.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

There’s a limit because eventually you need these flowers to ascend her further and they’re not available in any of the earlier regions.

Yep. You can lvl her weapon to 70 (which I did), but without those flowers from Rinascita you can't lvl her up beyond lvl 50. And there's also new echos which you can only find in Rinascita (except one boss you can fight right away). Speakin' of which, there's this really cool QOL feature in WuWa which let you use old and lvld echoes to upgrade new ones without wasting a lot of mats again, and this is where ZZZ seriously lacking as well, not only that, but you can also do that with weapons!

In ZZZ you have to lvl each disc individually from scratch by wasting a lot of resources again and if you dismantle it, you only get a small af fracture of what you used to lvl it, same goes for W-Engines - I've so much duplicates of them right now that it's pointless to even dismantle them, cuz there's no reason to do that whatsoever since you can't craft anything beyond v1.0 crap. Anyway, playing WuWa and giving it a second chance was an eye opening moment for me and now I have plenty of stuff to talk about and mention in the next ZZZ survey.

 

[Mayar]

Yep. You can lvl her weapon to 70 (which I did), but without those flowers from Rinascita you can't lvl her up beyond lvl 50. And there's also new echos which you can only find in Rinascita (except one boss you can fight right away). Speakin' of which, there's this really cool QOL feature in WuWa which let you use old and lvld echoes to upgrade new ones without wasting a lot of mats again, and this is where ZZZ seriously lacking as well, not only that, but you can also do that with weapons!

In ZZZ you have to lvl each disc individually from scratch by wasting a lot of resources again and if you dismantle it, you only get a small af fracture of what you used to lvl it, same goes for W-Engines - I've so much duplicates of them right now that it's pointless to even dismantle them, cuz there's no reason to do that whatsoever since you can't craft anything beyond v1.0 crap. Anyway, playing WuWa and giving it a second chance was an eye opening moment for me and now I have plenty of stuff to talk about and mention in the next ZZZ survey.

The only problem is that mihoyo won't listen to the audience, they've never listened and they don't plan to. But Kuro listens regularly, makes changes and does streams with the developers who say what they've done and what they're planning. These are two completely different approaches to the gaming audience. I'll give you another hint for the curious, go to the Resonators section, and take any level 1 and see with what Crit. DMG characters have at lvl 1 in WuWa, and then go to ZZZ or Genshin and see there.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

There’s a limit because eventually you need these flowers to ascend her further and they’re not available in any of the earlier regions.

Yeah, I was stuck with Camellya at level 40 for about 2 weeks or so because her ascension mats were all the way in Black Shores at the final boss and I wasn't even at Mt Firmament when I pulled her... I think they fixed this in version 2.0 with Carlotta, and now you can just go to your guide book and quick play the needed boss to get the ascension mats.

Edit: Funny enough, I'm in a similar position now with Mavuika in Genshin. I have her at level 40 because her ascension materials are all the way in Natlan, and I haven't even reached Inazuma. I don't want to spoil my experience just to rush and get her leveling materials, so it's going to take me a while before I'll be able to level her up (it's a bit annoying, but I made peace with that).

 

[Mayar]

Yeah, I was stuck with Camellya at level 40 for about 2 weeks or so because her ascension mats were all the way in Black Shores at the final boss and I wasn't even at Mt Firmament when I pulled her... I think they fixed this in version 2.0 with Carlotta, and now you can just go to your guide book and quick play the needed boss to get the ascension mats.

Edit: Funny enough, I'm in a similar position now with Mavuika in Genshin. I have her at level 40 because her ascension materials are all the way in Natlan, and I haven't even reached Inazuma. I don't want to spoil my experience just to rush and get her leveling materials, so it's going to take me a while before I'll be able to level her up (it's a bit annoying, but I made peace with that).

I may be wrong, but aren't flowers sold in the Pharmacy in every city? Or until you get to 2.0 they don't appear there? And flowers are updated every week in the pharmacy and you can buy them there regularly.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I may be wrong, but aren't flowers sold in the Pharmacy in every city? Or until you get to 2.0 they don't appear there, and the flowers are updated every week in the pharmacy and you can buy them there regularly.

For Camellya? I'm not sure about the flowers, but you needed the boss mats to level her past 40 and in order to access the boss encounter you had to finish the whole Black Shores story chapter. They fixed this aspect for Carlotta though with the early access thingy from the guide book.

 

[Mayar]

For Camellya? I'm not sure about the flowers, but you needed the boss mats to level her past 40 and in order to access the boss encounter you had to finish the whole Black Shores story chapter. They fixed this aspect for Carlotta though.

I checked through Wiki, flowers for characters from 2.0 can only be bought in the Ragunna City pharmacy... As for the boss, always has be a trial that simply teleported you to the boss, even if you didn't have access to it.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I checked through Wiki, flowers for characters from 2.0 can only be bought in the Ragunna City pharmacy... As for the boss, always has be a trial that simply teleported you to the boss, even if you didn't have access to it.

I'm speaking about Camellya my man and not about Carlotta. There was no trial for the boss when I pulled her back in December. :/

 

[Mayar]

I'm speaking about Camellya my man and not about Carlotta. There was no trial for the boss when I pulled her back in December. :/

My man, you can't fix it no matter how much you put into her, give up all hope, you're wasting resources

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

My man, you can't fix it no matter how much you put into her, give up all hope, you're wasting resources

Well, I did get some good echos for her with both CD and CR so I've almost finished building her up. Still need a good nightmare Crownless for her primary slot though.

 

[Mayar]

Well, I did get some good echos for her with both CD and CR so I've almost finished building her up. Still need a good nightmare Crownless for her primary slot though.

Sun-sinking Eclipse + Nightmare: Crownless? Great build. She actually very easy to equip, all she wants is Crit Damage and Crit Chance, and then you just stack ATK and Basic Attack on her as much as possible, since all of her damage counts as Basic Atk.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Sun-sinking Eclipse + Nightmare: Crownless? Great build. She actually very easy to equip, all she wants is Crit Damage and Crit Chance, and then you just stack ATK and Basic Attack on her as much as possible, since all of her damage counts as Basic Atk.

Yeah, that's the build I'm using. I'm hoping to get some good rolls on a nightmare crownless today or in the next few days, as the rest of the echoes I have for her are in a good place substats wise.

 

[Mayar]

Yeah, that's the build I'm using. I'm hoping to get some good rolls on a nightmare crownless today or in the next few days, as the rest of the echoes I have for her are in a good place substats wise.

I'm a bit stuck with the character builds, as I had to re-equip Zhezh and Yinlin into new sets, and then I beat Nightmare bosses for Jiyan and Changli (New 4). If all goes well, I'll finally be able to get around to making Carlotta next week.

 

[Spyxos]

The only problem is that mihoyo won't listen to the audience, they've never listened and they don't plan to. But Kuro listens regularly, makes changes and does streams with the developers who say what they've done and what they're planning. These are two completely different approaches to the gaming audience. I'll give you another hint for the curious, go to the Resonators section, and take any level 1 and see with what Crit. DMG characters have at lvl 1 in WuWa, and then go to ZZZ or Genshin and see there.

I have to disagree with you. I can't speak for other Mihoyo games, but with ZZZ they listen very clearly to the feedback and have often adapted the game to the wishes of the fans.

 

[Mayar]

I have to disagree with you. I can't speak for other Mihoyo games, but with ZZZ they listen very clearly to the feedback and have often adapted the game to the wishes of the fans.

They didn't listen in ZZZ, the game's start and reviews were very bad in China (If they hadn't done anything, the game would have simply died in China.), the game is still in turbulence and apparently will not be able to reach the level of Genshin or the level of HSR, time has already been lost. In terms of financial revenue, this is still their weakest game. MiHoYo makes movements only in two cases - 1) it concerns finances 2) they once again angered Chinese players with something, they urgently need to cover their asses.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I have to disagree with you. I can't speak for other Mihoyo games, but with ZZZ they listen very clearly to the feedback and have often adapted the game to the wishes of the fans.

I have to second this, there were plenty of cases where it was true and they did change / added something to the game based on the feedback / suggestions.

 

[Spyxos]

They didn't listen in ZZZ, the game's start and reviews were very bad in China (If they hadn't done anything, the game would have simply died in China.), the game is still in turbulence and apparently will not be able to reach the level of Genshin or the level of HSR, time has already been lost. In terms of financial revenue, this is still their weakest game. MiHoYo makes movements only in two cases - 1) it concerns finances 2) they once again angered Chinese players with something, they urgently need to cover their asses.

But that's exactly what I mean, the reviews were bad because of the Tv mode in china and that's why it was quickly changed and later even almost completely removed. I don't think they ever expected to get Genshin or even Honkai numbers. The game is almost unplayable on mobile and that alone eliminates the mass of players.

 

[Mayar]

But that's exactly what I mean, the reviews were bad because of the Tv mode in china and that's why it was quickly changed and later even almost completely removed. I don't think they ever expected to get Genshin or even Honkai numbers. The game is almost unplayable on mobile and that alone eliminates the mass of players.

I'm too lazy to look for the full video, so I'll just leave it, sorry that it's YouTube Shorts, but this is roughly all you need to know about this company and how they listen. That was exactly the moment when I left Genshin.

Spoiler

 

[Doom85]

Yeah, I was stuck with Camellya at level 40 for about 2 weeks or so because her ascension mats were all the way in Black Shores at the final boss and I wasn't even at Mt Firmament when I pulled her... I think they fixed this in version 2.0 with Carlotta, and now you can just go to your guide book and quick play the needed boss to get the ascension mats.

It was the flowers that were the problem. You had to either get them from regular enemies from the 2.0 continent, or the shop that was likewise stationed there. So the ascension items specifically from the boss weren’t the issue.

But I just arrived, and now she’s finally at Level 60. And damn, is she just cutting through everything like butter now, holy shit.

Spoiler

Also, I legit thought Aalto was on the boat with us since it was his boat, and Rover just didn’t give a shit when only she was pulled from the ocean after the boat was attacked and Aalto was nowhere to be seen. I was like, “damn, Rover, don’t do him dirty like that!”

My brain didn’t register the line before we departed where Aalto mentioned the autopilot. Okay, so he’s back home safe and sound.

 

[Mayar]

It was the flowers that were the problem. You had to either get them from regular enemies from the 2.0 continent, or the shop that was likewise stationed there. So the ascension items specifically from the boss weren’t the issue.

But I just arrived, and now she’s finally at Level 60. And damn, is she just cutting through everything like butter now, holy shit.

Spoiler

Also, I legit thought Aalto was on the boat with us since it was his boat, and Rover just didn’t give a shit when only she was pulled from the ocean after the boat was attacked and Aalto was nowhere to be seen. I was like, “damn, Rover, don’t do him dirty like that!”

My brain didn’t register the line before we departed where Aalto mentioned the autopilot. Okay, so he’s back home safe and sound.

Yes, I agree here, it is strange that they did not transfer flowers to other pharmacies around the world and left them only in pharmacy 2.0. If I were them, I would make their assortment uniform for all pharmacies in the world, because flying to different maps when you need strictly defined flowers is not very convenient.

 

[Doom85]

They didn't listen in ZZZ, the game's start and reviews were very bad in China (If they hadn't done anything, the game would have simply died in China.), the game is still in turbulence and apparently will not be able to reach the level of Genshin or the level of HSR, time has already been lost. In terms of financial revenue, this is still their weakest game. MiHoYo makes movements only in two cases - 1) it concerns finances 2) they once again angered Chinese players with something, they urgently need to cover their asses.

Well, Wuthering Waves is a case where I wish they hadn’t listened to some of the Chinese players at least in terms of the story, as apparently they edited it post-release so all the initial main and supporting characters all immediately like Rover which feels unnatural, whereas the original version had some of them initially indifferent or even suspicious of the stranger with conveniently no memories who just popped into their lives which feels far more authentic when dealing with a significant number of characters. But some Chinese players were mad that their MC was being treated this way, a clear case of self-inserting into the MC a little TOO much, and thus the story edit.

I guess ZZZ is Hoyo’s “weakest” game in a way, yet I still would likely prefer it over Genshin (which I dropped after three months) as ZZZ has A) no Paimon, and B) more generous in earning pull currency and such, not to mention they just gave us a free limited 5 star.

Same with Honkai Star Rail, and that one is also boosted by having easily the best cast of characters out of all these IMHO, which is why again almost all of Wuthering’s character pre-2.0 (just reached this point, I’ve heard it gets better in this regard at this point, so here’s hoping) feel so forgettable, everyone just loves Rover, there’s no variety. In Star Rail, characters like Herta, Bronya, Gepard, Sparkle, etc. do NOT get started on the best foot with the MC, and some stay that way because Herta is just naturally smug and Sparkle is a troll. And some characters, like Serval, Guinaifen, Sushang, Misha, etc. just treat the MC as someone they like but also don’t treat them any differently from anyone else they like. Only the Express crew and Firefly primarily show that high level of affection for the MC and that’s justified in-story for them (the Express spending time with the MC throughout the journey and Firefly spending time with the MC in Penacony as well as a spoiler reason), so it feels authentic.

 

[Mayar]

Well, Wuthering Waves is a case where I wish they hadn’t listened to some of the Chinese players at least in terms of the story, as apparently they edited it post-release so all the initial main and supporting characters all immediately like Rover which feels unnatural, whereas the original version had some of them initially indifferent or even suspicious of the stranger with conveniently no memories who just popped into their lives which feels far more authentic when dealing with a significant number of characters. But some Chinese players were mad that their MC was being treated this way, a clear case of self-inserting into the MC a little TOO much, and thus the story edit.

I guess ZZZ is Hoyo’s “weakest” game in a way, yet I still would likely prefer it over Genshin (which I dropped after three months) as ZZZ has A) no Paimon, and B) more generous in earning pull currency and such, not to mention they just gave us a free limited 5 star.

Same with Honkai Star Rail, and that one is also boosted by having easily the best cast of characters out of all these IMHO, which is why again almost all of Wuthering’s character pre-2.0 (just reached this point, I’ve heard it gets better in this regard at this point, so here’s hoping) feel so forgettable, everyone just loves Rover, there’s no variety. In Star Rail, characters like Herta, Bronya, Gepard, Sparkle, etc. do NOT get started on the best foot with the MC, and some stay that way because Herta is just naturally smug and Sparkle is a troll. And some characters, like Serval, Guinaifen, Sushang, Misha, etc. just treat the MC as someone they like but also don’t treat them any differently from anyone else they like. Only the Express crew and Firefly primarily show that high level of affection for the MC and that’s justified in-story for them (the Express spending time with the MC throughout the journey and Firefly spending time with the MC in Penacony as well as a spoiler reason), so it feels authentic.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that it's very nice to realize that the only group of users that can somehow influence the situation is the Chinese audience, and their "we hear the audience" is that Chinese players simply start writing letters to the Chinese government for every mistake they make.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I'm too lazy to look for the full video, so I'll just leave it, sorry that it's YouTube Shorts, but this is roughly all you need to know about this company and how they listen. That was exactly the moment when I left Genshin.

Spoiler

Actually, something similar happened to ZZZ already, not with the S rank character though but with Billy. Some people on Reddit even sayting that it made him almost completely unplayable cuz of this.