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[ZombieSupaStar]

so far 10 of 12 wrestlers this week have been given their release!

1. A-Train
2. Billy Gunn
3. Test
4. Gail Kim
5. Chuck Palumbo
6. Nidia
7. Johnny Stamboli
8. Rodney Mack
9. Jazz
10.Rico
11.????
12?????




hrmmm

 

[Lyte Edge]

It's like a fighting game! CHOOSE YOUR FIRED WRESTLER.

My picks for the next two are:

-Garrison Cade
-Nunzio

Too bad Mark Henry isn't one of them. Guess he still has that contract?

 

[Hellraizah]

Seriously, Gail Kim has been fired ???

Man, she was the hottest diva.

 

[Raw64life]

Yea don't know why they fired her. She was pretty good and was on Raw Monday. Garrison Cade and maybe Val Venis might get the boot next

 

[G4life98]

i think they will bring some of these guys back with smaller contracts, especially the divas.

 

[Brian Fellows]

I hope they fire Paul London and Shane Helms so they can work Ring of Honor.

 

[Triumph]

Not... not RICO!!!

I bet they're remerging the brands.

 

[Shinobi]

In the future they'll be calling this week the REAL Survivor Series. :lol

 

[BlackMage]

I have a feeling they will fire Rhyno.

 

[mightynine]

Gail Kim was fired because she almost killed whomever she was wrestling almost every time.

 

[jecclr2003]

Damn I go to Survivor Series next week, and they keep cutting talent. I covered the firings in another thread earlier, but Rico was news to me this morning.

SOMETHING is going on. Gotta be a reason they are freeing up so much money.

2 more to go....

The TNA roster just keeps growing doesn't it?

 

[pilonv1]

Diva search winner is guaranteed $250,000, Tough Enough is $1million (even though I think they are spread out over a number of years). You'd probably find that the savings from these cuts equates to the money these reality conest winners are getting.

 

[jecclr2003]

pilnov not even close.

Even the lower card guys make over 200,000 a year in salar and then house show and PPV bonuses on top of that.

I think its looking like A) They are set to acquire a HUGE name talent b) remerging the rosters so wrestling is actually palatable again.

 

[jobber]

there was a reason why they split the rosters. Talent would never get a chance to be on tv. Can't make new stars if both shows are surrounding the same fueds. I don't want to Triple H show to take over Thursday too.

 

[jecclr2003]

jobber the problem is the same guys are still dominating the shows. Now that HHH is a McMahon, he's going to be on TV constantly. Who do you think is helping book Smackdown?

Pat Patterson called out HHH on why the ratings have been sinking... due to him dominating too much screen time and burying talent while he goes. And now Patterson is gone.. he was either forced out or encouraged to quit due to his findings.

I also feel that neither brand uses their PPV's correctly. Fueds are not being developed with the 2 months between PPVs they usually have. Every month they seem to wait till the last week to develop the card and then storylines AREN'T resolved and just linger on.

People are basically tired of the complete lack of effort on the part of the McMahon family. Since there is no real comptetition, it seem the product has grown stale. The new talent isn't ready and the established stars are in a rut.

 

[jobber]

jobber the problem is the same guys are still dominating the shows. Now that HHH is a McMahon, he's going to be on TV constantly. Who do you think is helping book Smackdown?

Paul Heyman

Pat Patterson called out HHH on why the ratings have been sinking... due to him dominating too much screen time and burying talent while he goes. And now Patterson is gone.. he was either forced out or encouraged to quit due to his findings.

Vince has the upmost respect for Patterson. Believe me, Vince may not have shown it, but he listened.

 

[MrPing1000]

Funaki

 

[DarienA]

Vince has the upmost respect for Patterson. Believe me, Vince may not have shown it, but he listened.

So why is Pat gone then?

Too many PPV's and fueds not developed well enough and LONG enough anymore IMO are part of the problem.

 

[jecclr2003]

jobber sorry you're partially wrong. Heyman is acting as a booking consultant for both shows, not actually writing. Whereas, Steph and HHH have been booking SD, much to the chagrin of the resident talent.

Believe all you want that Vince had the hightest level of respect for Patterson all you want. It just seems VERY suspicisous that right when his report was filed he had a one week notice in. Face the facts, he tld the truth and was booted.

This isn't the first time someone told McMahon something was wrong. Vince has surrounded himself with yes men for about the past decade and refuse to see when there is a problem, nor does any one try to tell him in fear of getting booted. Patterson addressed a problem and now you see what happened.

It al boils down to the simple fact that Vince has lost touch and has no idea what the people who pay $45+ a ticket want to see. They don't want to see a washed up HHH delivering a rambling 20 minute long promo with Ric flair kissing his ass (don't even get me started about this has been). What they want to see is a solid wrestlign shows where storyline begin and end in the ring. Maybe a little eye candy in the divas, but they want WRESTLING. It seems to me Vince forgot this was part of the company name and why people keep tuning in.

 

[jobber]

You asked who was helping book Smackdown not writing it. I said Heyman which is true. He doesn't book matches, but gives ideas.

Trust me....Vince has seen the product get less popular over the past few months. That's why he went with the Taboo Tuesday idea. It's all part of a MASTER PLAN!

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

jobber sorry you're partially wrong. Heyman is acting as a booking consultant for both shows, not actually writing. Whereas, Steph and HHH have been booking SD, much to the chagrin of the resident talent.

Believe all you want that Vince had the hightest level of respect for Patterson all you want. It just seems VERY suspicisous that right when his report was filed he had a one week notice in. Face the facts, he tld the truth and was booted.

This isn't the first time someone told McMahon something was wrong. Vince has surrounded himself with yes men for about the past decade and refuse to see when there is a problem, nor does any one try to tell him in fear of getting booted. Patterson addressed a problem and now you see what happened.

It al boils down to the simple fact that Vince has lost touch and has no idea what the people who pay $45+ a ticket want to see. They don't want to see a washed up HHH delivering a rambling 20 minute long promo with Ric flair kissing his ass (don't even get me started about this has been). What they want to see is a solid wrestlign shows where storyline begin and end in the ring. Maybe a little eye candy in the divas, but they want WRESTLING. It seems to me Vince forgot this was part of the company name and why people keep tuning in.

I think it's amazing how you keep typing things like this like none of us have ever heard this argument endlessly before and you're breaking some fantastic news to us.

 

[jecclr2003]

Well Liu some DON'T know how things work behind the scenes. To me you seem to come off a bit pretensious. There was no "argument" over anything. Just tossing opinions around about what could and probably is wrong with something a few members here enjoy.

Jobber ok, sorry I misunderstood you. Heyman does give ideas,mostly shot down. Which is a shame the guys is a freaking genius when it comes to handling talent. Just don't let the guy near money though. Only idea that seems to have stuck lateely was the idea of an insane Heidenreich. I kinda like it, it fits the character and has some potential. Now the matter of giving him some in ring ability.... he has some but it's limited.

The Paterson stuation DOES bring up a bit of suspiscion, at least due to the timing of his report. And Patterson is right, HHH does take up WAY too much of the spotlight. No matter WHERE he is on the card, his segments seem to be the focus of the show. As a paying fan I really don't want to sit through the same rmabling promo over and over again.

Now granted the last couple weeks have been pretty good TV, mainly because the rest of the talent is the focus and dominating force. The "inmates running the asylum" idea is pretty decent and should make for a decent match at S. Series. I guess I'll see, I'll be in attendance.

As for Taboo Tuesday, too bad PPV was crap save the Jericho v. Benjamin match and to a lesser extent Michaels carrying HHH on his injured back. HBK may be a little past his prime, but damn it, he can work a crowd like no other. It was a great idea, just failed in execution.

I'll be rdering the TNA Victory Road PPv, maybe this will give back the competitive spark he had back in 97. Anyone whos watched for years knows Vince kicks it up a few notches when he has some one to compete against. We'll see I guess, should be a fun ride going into WM21.

 

[Spectral Glider]

Too many PPV's and fueds not developed well enough and LONG enough anymore IMO are part of the problem.

I agree.....they oversaturated. Four big PPVs, one for each season, was the perfect balance IMO. They killed that, then they messed with the belts. Then the tag team division went straight into the crapper. They don't seem to learn to take the good things about the 80s....longer fueds, less PPVs. And mix them with the good things about the "Attitude era" less gimmick wrestlers, more acrobatic matches, better pure wrestlers.

And this whole, let's put a Vince or some GM on TV that messes with the wrestlers has got to go. It was funny and different about ten years ago, but it's oh so stale and boring now. The announcers need to announce, the wrestlers wrestle, and the behind the scene guys need to go back behind the scenes and stay off the TV.

 

[jecclr2003]

Bravo Spectral.. well said.

 

[Revolver]

My picks are Shannon Moore and Rosey. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see Nunzio get the axe. I really wish they'd end this brand extension stuff and merge the rosters or at least have a unified World Championship belt. I'm sick of the roster split. The most entertaining part of watching Smackdown the other night was the commercial for The Rise and Fall of ECW DVD. Am I the only one that sees Heidenreich as a Psycho Sid wannabe?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Well Liu some DON'T know how things work behind the scenes. To me you seem to come off a bit pretensious. There was no "argument" over anything. Just tossing opinions around about what could and probably is wrong with something a few members here enjoy.

The problem is, you're writing so much unnecessary garbage because you're so passionate about your opinion, which is the same one that everyone else shares. We don't really care, we all feel the same way as you. It gets incredibly old reading about how Triple H has all the power and how Vince is out of touch. Who really needs convincing of that?

 

[jobber]

The problem is, you're writing so much unnecessary garbage because you're so passionate about your opinion, which is the same one that everyone else shares. We don't really care, we all feel the same way as you. It gets incredibly old reading about how Triple H has all the power and how Vince is out of touch. Who really needs convincing of that?

 

[LakeEarth]

Huh? How do you get a red dragon in MK4??

 

[StoOgE]

Rhyno is gone.. they DIDNT put the straps on them after months of build up, he DIDNT get picked to face Jericho at Taboo Tuesday depsite a push for it (or for that matter, get many votes)... and they had Tajiri all over Raw and Monday and his tag team partner didnt come to his rescue.

I think alot of mid carders/ Heat and or Velocity talent are gone. Its probably for the best, if only the talent they were bringing up was better At least Carlito is entertaining.

Also, I have a bad gut feeling about Mattitude. Vince was pissed off about his little internet feud with 411mania.com and pulled several of his stories off of WWE.com. Plus he is out for another 7 months or so, and they have no problem getting rid of injured talents. They allready turned Kane face, so what do they do when they bring Matt back? Have him turn heel to try and get Lita back from Kane? I dont think so, Version 1 may be joining his untalented brother shortly. Hopefully they dont give him a nickname as stupid as charismatic engima or whatever hyper-retarted name Jeff goes by.

 

[jecclr2003]

Liu and yet you feel a need to keep perpetuating the cycle by constantly brining things back up when I've moved onto something else.

Real, real simple you dont like reading someones' opinion, then don't you self-righteous jackass. Move along to the next post.

Last time I checked I don't remember typing ANYTHING flamatory enough to warrant your pointless posts of flaming. If you're just here to troll, go do it somewhere else.

So what? I have an opinion and I'm passionate about it. Get over yourself asshole.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Liu and yet you feel a need to keep perpuating the cycle by constantly brining things back up when I've moved onto something else.

Real real simple you dont like reading someone opinion, then don't you self-rightious jackass. Move along to the next post.

Last time I checked I don't remember typing ANYTHING flamatory enough to warrant your pointless posts of flaming. If you're just here to troll, go do it somewhere else.

So what? I have an opinion and I'm passionate about it. Get over yourself asshole.

!

 

[Shinobi]

I agree.....they oversaturated. Four big PPVs, one for each season, was the perfect balance IMO. They killed that, then they messed with the belts. Then the tag team division went straight into the crapper. They don't seem to learn to take the good things about the 80s....longer fueds, less PPVs. And mix them with the good things about the "Attitude era" less gimmick wrestlers, more acrobatic matches, better pure wrestlers.

And this whole, let's put a Vince or some GM on TV that messes with the wrestlers has got to go. It was funny and different about ten years ago, but it's oh so stale and boring now. The announcers need to announce, the wrestlers wrestle, and the behind the scene guys need to go back behind the scenes and stay off the TV.

On point.

The problem is, you're writing so much unnecessary garbage because you're so passionate about your opinion, which is the same one that everyone else shares. We don't really care, we all feel the same way as you. It gets incredibly old reading about how Triple H has all the power and how Vince is out of touch. Who really needs convincing of that?

And WTF was so earth shattering or revealing about this post?

 

[3kuSaS]

Heh...Billy Gunn just joined TNA...but he cant use the name Billy Gunn which sucks. Why can't WWE give wrestlers rights to thier own names? It only seems fair.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

so whats become of the other Tough Enough guys? What about that Maven dude? Or the Princeton guy? are they still with the WWE?

 

[jecclr2003]

I guess Nowinski is still on payroll, but can't work due to his post-concussion sydrome he has going on. They have him go out for all the "Smackdown your Vote" events.

I don't think Maven's going anywhere for a while. He works nearly every house show and has a pretty sizeable push going on now. I'm sure he's a cheap talent to have too.

Big question is who's the last 2 to be cut?

Guesses:
Shannon Moore
Garrison Cade (Jim Ross is high on him, but he hasnt been seen in ages)

 

[MC Safety]

Reading this thread I am reminded of "Dandy" Dan Egger, former writer for both Daily Radar and Official Xbox Magazine.

Egger loved to read news about wrestling, and oftentimes would be seen poring over wrestling web site after wrestling web site. What he didn't do, ever, was watch wrestling.

This thread's for you, Dan.

 

[pilonv1]

pilnov not even close.

Even the lower card guys make over 200,000 a year in salar and then house show and PPV bonuses on top of that.

I think its looking like A) They are set to acquire a HUGE name talent b) remerging the rosters so wrestling is actually palatable again.

Lower card guys do not make 200,000 in a year. Most of them are on five figure downside guarantees, which end up over six figures with PPV bonuses and merchandising. By your claim, they'd have about 50-60 people making 200,000 a year, not taking into account bonuses. It's a lot lower than you think.

For example, Raven has repeatedly said he makes more money working for TNA and indies than he did for WWE, and the top guys in TNA aren't getting more than around $1000 a week (if that). The top guys in WWE are the only ones making more than $250,000 a year.

 

[Shinobi]

Reading this thread I am reminded of "Dandy" Dan Egger, former writer for both Daily Radar and Official Xbox Magazine.

Egger loved to read news about wrestling, and oftentimes would be seen poring over wrestling web site after wrestling web site. What he didn't do, ever, was watch wrestling.

This thread's for you, Dan.

Well at least Egger was consistent...he did the same thing with games. :lol

 

[jecclr2003]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/info.php?section=salaries

Thats the most comprehensive list I can find.

Raven is defiently exaggerating. TNA barely pays in a month what Raven would get in a week. He works a TON of indy dates though, so that would offset what he didn't get from TNA.

Lance Storm has put it on his site in his Q and A section how much talent makes, and it is in that range for the lower to mid card talent.

They do have that many people making that much money. Easy to do when you pay no benefits to your talent, with them being independent contractors and all.

 

[Mike Works]

Well at least Egger was consistent...he did the same thing with games. :lol

:lol

 

[pilonv1]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/info.php?section=salaries

Thats the most comprehensive list I can find.

That list is also about 5 years old, during the last boom period. No one is getting big contracts anymore. Most guys in OVW are getting $500 a week. This has just been a cost cutting excercise.