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Xbox 360 impressions from showfloor
- Thread starter Chittagong
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Cold-Steel
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Xbox: We've got more power than the PlayStation 2!.
PS2: It's all about the games! Power doesn't matter!
PS3: We've got 2x the power of the Xbox 360!
Xbox 360: It's all about the games! Power doesn't matter!
Or does it?
PS2: It's all about the games! Power doesn't matter!
PS3: We've got 2x the power of the Xbox 360!
Xbox 360: It's all about the games! Power doesn't matter!
Or does it?
Ghost of Bill Gates
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Not only that, but X360 has 48 pipelines. PS3 has 24 pipelines. Notice how Sony did not display that stat on any spec-sheets.Ghost said:
X360 has 10mb of Edram on the chip. This allows for "free" Full Screen Anti-Aliasing. Sony has to dip into their 256mb of System Ram.
PSE = 1 CELL = 7 SPEs = 7 threads
X360 = 1 CPU = 3 cores = 6 threads
Theres all the info anyone should need. Both consoles are just about even in terms of power. One things for shure is that they are alot closer than Xbox and PS2 were.
sonycowboy
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Ghost of Bill Gates said:
:lol :lol :lol
First, Cell has 7 SPE's and 1 core = 8 processing units
IBM's processor has 3 cores, but each allows 2 instructions <> 6 processing units.
Processor-wise, Sony KILLS Microsoft. It's not even close.
And you do know that the emotion engine was more powerful than Xbox's pentium 3, right? Of course, the EE had to do ALOT of the graphics work and then pass off the vertex information to the GPU, whereas the GPU on the XBox was able to do most of it's heavy lifting. And then there was the 4MB VRAM, which was probably the single biggest thing that hurt the PS2 vs Xbox.
I don't know that I've seen any real comparison of Xbox vs PS2 to say what the "speed" difference was, but I don't believe it was 2x, but I could be wrong.
Ghost of Bill Gates
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sonycowboy said:
It seems close to me by your own logic. :lol
sonycowboy
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Ghost of Bill Gates said:
I guess you don't know what <> means, then :|
Ghost of Bill Gates
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Still think the Playstation 3 is more powerful? I sure don't... It's becoming apparent with steady news leaks on both consoles that PS3 isn't as powerful as sony wants you to believe..not even mentioning the CGI movies Sony shown at E3, but the Fuzzy Math specs.
Ghost of Bill Gates
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Izzy said:
Everyone and their psuedo numbers keeps forgetting about memory bandwidth. The PS3 has two distinct busses (no contention) both marginally faster than the 360's single bus. The PS3 also has that freakishly fat pipe between it's CPU & GPU.
However, if the eDRAM really does give "free" anti-aliasing to the 360 at 720p (and beyond), that is an enormous advantage. Yeah, anti-aliasing helps even at 1600x1280.
They will both really kick ass. I think the PS3 could be more powerful in most areas, but who knows if anyone will take advantage of it.
Oh, and we haven't seen shit in real-time from EITHER company. Until I see actual hardware (and not a PC or Mac) running code, it's all fake.
Small gripe: screw them both for basically offering the same controllers as last generation (with small, obvious improvements)
However, if the eDRAM really does give "free" anti-aliasing to the 360 at 720p (and beyond), that is an enormous advantage. Yeah, anti-aliasing helps even at 1600x1280.
They will both really kick ass. I think the PS3 could be more powerful in most areas, but who knows if anyone will take advantage of it.
Oh, and we haven't seen shit in real-time from EITHER company. Until I see actual hardware (and not a PC or Mac) running code, it's all fake.
Small gripe: screw them both for basically offering the same controllers as last generation (with small, obvious improvements)
sonycowboy
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bigfurb said:
Waits for the neowin link. :lol
Ghost, do you actually know ANYTHING about GPU's? Your posts are full of comments from other threads that spread this same neowin crap, which will end up belonging to Deadmeat :lol "Fuzzy Math" is straight from that random post.
Ghost of Bill Gates
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bigfurb said:
The hardocp article is one that was just release today...there's a link in this thread I gave yesterday. You might want search.
Ghost of Bill Gates
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seismologist
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it would be pretty easy for Sony to bump the specs to get the performance they need.
Especially with the 6 month window. I mean X360 is 6 months away and they're still working at 30% performance?
Especially with the 6 month window. I mean X360 is 6 months away and they're still working at 30% performance?
sonycowboy
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seismologist said:
You're falling for the bait...
Ghost of Bill Gates
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sonycowboy said:
Yes, you got to stay firm in your logic, never listen to reasoning.
Chittagong said:
Just to say that I agree with those points. I was especially disappointed with Condemned and Need For Speed - both lacked polish and were moving well below 30fps. Alpha dev kits aside, it was probably better to not show them as the impression they left were not of the positive variety. The rest of the stuff looked okay, I enjoyed the Call of Duty 2 demo (slight bias maybe since I know the level designer and AI programmer on that team) and Kameo showed potential.
I didn't get to see much at the Sony area - the PS3 line (at least thats what I think it was) was pretty long so I decided to stand in equally long line to play Zelda (I ended up waiting 2hrs) as opposed to seeing pre-rendered demos (rim-shot).
I was really hoping to see some PSP games but alas not too many interesting things going on there. I briefly stopped by the DS area to watch my friend go at it in a Mario Kart DS wireless match which he took first place and won a cool Mario Kart package.
So to sum it up a bit, Zelda was awesome, Conker is wicked fun, We Love Katamari is on my must buy list, Starcraft Ghost is coming along nicely, and above all, I got a photo with Link - that alone was worth the trip, lol.
Ghost of Bill Gates
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AB 101 said:
perhaps..
dorio said:
everything?
It's running on dual G5 with an X800
It's limited on the cpu
It's limited on the gpu
and it's also limited to the bandwidth constraints of a regular computer motherboard.
that and it's probably using regular ol DDR ram instead of GDDR3 ram.
yay.