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Xbox 360 in 1080i
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Shogmaster
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I'm betting that widescreen 480p (852x480) might look good as "1080i" on those cheaper CRT HDTVs.
Beer Monkey
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If there's a loss of color, somebody screwed up in designing the scaler or encoder. This is probably just bunk.
Maybe on a real cheap one.
Not likely, and also more likely to lag. And in some cases this is double scaling (PGR3), which means even more artifacts and lag.
Nowhere in the universe would you want to scale 1024x600 -> 1280x720 -> 1920x1080.
Shogmaster
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Shawn said:
You get tons of options with VGA cable:
640x480, 848x480, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1280x768, and 1360x768
BlueTsunami
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
I agree that thats probably bunk. But LCD screens do have the potential to be more vibrant (color) than CRTs. So it could be the guys CRT HDTV that really looks less vibrant.
Beer Monkey
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I'm not sure if I understand...
Does that mean if I feel like playing my games in 640p, I select "640p" in the 360 Dash, and the 360 sets my monitor to 640p?
If I feel like playing my games in 720p, I select "720p" in the Dash, and the 360 sets my monitor to 720p?
Same thing with 1080i??
Am I understanding this correctly?
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
OooOOo thats good to read since I have a Samsung 27" CRT HDTV
720p and 1080i as you're refering to them are HDTV video standards, not VGA video standards, the resolutions that were listed in an earlier post for the VGA are what the console will actually output to your monitor.
If you have a CRT monitor you can pick the highest resolution your monitor supports, adjust the geometry appropriately and game away. If you're feeding a fix-panel monitor, such as an LCD monitor you'll have to deal with how the monitor scales the picture if none of the supported resolutions are the native resolution of your monitor.
If you have a CRT monitor you can pick the highest resolution your monitor supports, adjust the geometry appropriately and game away. If you're feeding a fix-panel monitor, such as an LCD monitor you'll have to deal with how the monitor scales the picture if none of the supported resolutions are the native resolution of your monitor.
Beer Monkey
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Um, ask any ISF tech what consumer fixed-pixel display technology exceeds a decent CRT for color accuracy and saturation. ROLLEYES.
brandonh83
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I'm wondering what 360 games will look like on a non-HD TV with component cables, considering that I won't be able to afford an HD for at least five more months. =\
BlueTsunami
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
I've personally already knew about the CRT color accuracy. I remember working with Mac users that didn't ever want to touch LCD monitors. I was under the perception though that LCDs were more color vibrant though. I'm satisfied with my CRT HDTV anyways.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
color "accuracy", or adhering to the NTSC standard for true color display, isn't the same as displaying more "vibrant" colors. The original quote probably referenced the fact that lots of flat-panels display things in a very over-saturated manner that makes the TV look more "vibrant" than CRTs. This is also a major factor as to why they sell better. This bothers a lot of videophiles who can't stand how people leave their TVs on torch mode when they bring them home, but it certainly does catch a person's eye as a more "vibrant" image.
Most people are drawn to oversaturated images with the color and light just blooming all over the place. I've actually talked to friends of mine who aren't so technically inclined and they'll argue round and round that TVs in torch mode at something like a Best Buy look better than accurately adjusted TVs. It's not until I walk them through AVIA that they even begin to understand where I'm coming from.
Beer Monkey
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Is making snarky comments in message boards more fun than getting laid?
BlueTsunami
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L-gon said:
:lol
*looks at his post count...
;_;
tigerfan12345
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Im kind of curious what settings would be best for my monitor. Im gonna use a dell2405fpw lcd monitor(1920x1200 native res), until I find a nice living room hd set deal.When using my hd ccablebox, I find that i prefer setting my hdtv box to 720p(which gets scaled by the monitor) almost all the time, but when i use a 1080i signal, it shows that no scaling is taking place. So what do you think would be the best setup to use with an xbox, 720p with scaling? or 1080i with no scaling, but interlaced image?
Error Macro
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snatches said:
Do you double fist the beer mugs and then jump up and hoist a keg over your head?
I bet you wore your football uniform during classes when the team had a game that day, didn't you.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
you're probably right. However, just to fuel the fire:
- What monitors will developers be connecting to their Xbox dev kits? Most likely LCD. So we could have a repeat of the GBA/SP situation where the colours of the games are predisposed to be more accurate on an LCD monitor, regardless of whether it is a better display technology or not.
BlueTsunami
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VALIS said:
Depends. The difference is actually very negligable when it comes down to it. What you WILL notice from 720p games on a 720p Native screen is a much crisper image. At 1080i the image will be blurrier than the 720p image. None is actually superior than the other. Some may actually say that 1080i being a higher res actually nullifies the fact that the 720p res is progressivley scanned.
I've never actually played on a LCD screen before and i've watched WMV-HD video on my 27" CRT HDTV (both 720p and 1080p, 1080p will KICK. YOUR. COMPUTERS. ASS) and it looks very very nice. The real fear comes from scaling. The Xbox360s scaler is actually supposed to be very good so I'm not to worried about that aspect. Just wondering how it will look.
Error Macro
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mrklaw said:
But what will the graphics designers, the artists, the people who are making the art assets be connecting to most likely?
CRTs, baby.
Shogmaster said:
480p widescreen is still 720x480 actual, just it's pixel aspect ratio is 1.2 (width = 120% of actual pixel size), so it stretches it out to 852ishx480. Like taking a 720x480 image in photoshop and resizing it to 852x480. Yeah, it's wider but it does lose some of its clarity.
Error Macro
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mrklaw said:
Oh, well, now you're talking about artists (pronounced: ar-tee-sts).
That's a whole different story. :lol
CorruptionDee
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Exactly, I don't buy it at all. I'll have to see for myself. As for the whole 720p being "better" than 1080i, I disagree. A 1080i image has more than twice the resolution of a 720p image. Different strokes for different folks. Many argue that 720p is better for fast motion, like sports broadcasts and games, but for slower images 1080i is superior in image quality. I've seen movies in both formats, and 1080i wins hands down. The problem is that very few consumer sets, if any, fully resolve the 2 million+ pixels in a 1080i image. With that said, I've seen the scalers on many 1080i sets, when viewing a 720p image, and with the better TVs, aside from slight flickering, the image was indistinguishable from a 720p image on a set that displays a 720p image natively. There should be no loss in color vibrancy.
Cerebral Palsy
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I have a 480p/1080i set in my room, which I'll probably use. If I'm not happy with it I'll grab the vga adapter or put the 360 in the living room.
BlueTsunami
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CorruptionDee said:
Now thats what I want to hear
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I'll take the perfect geometry, per pixel picture reproduction, increased resolution, increased screen size and reduced foot-print of a plasma or LCD over the ever-so-slightly-coloured-colors of a CRT any day of the week.
Another 1080i yes 720p no set owner here - if 1080i looks hot on my 360 I'll keep it, if it looks like it could be improved on then I'll probably pick up a new 720p capable screen.