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Fusebox said:
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Better color accuracy, greyscale accuracy, response time (or lack thereof), viewing angles, black levels, white levels (contrast), more resolution than most plasma/lcd displays...
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Zzz...
Better color accuracy, greyscale accuracy, response time (or lack thereof), viewing angles, black levels, white levels (contrast), more resolution than most plasma/lcd displays...
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Each display device tech has their strengths and weaknesses. Heck, I'm probably getting an SXRD next year to replace my 53" 1080i CRT-based RPTV, and I use both large CRTs and large LCDs on my PCs at home and work. You guys are making way too much of my comments; search for my past posts on the subject.
Error Macro
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Fusebox said:Oh wait, they meant CRT monitor, not CRT TV?
Nevermind me, carry on.
Naw, if it was CRT monitors we were talking about, I would have added that they can display a wide range of resolutions without the need to rescale them
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Just want to clear something up, if it hasn't been already cleared up. There is no color loss when switching to 1080i output... what this user experienced is how each TV uses different settings for each output (ie: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i all have their own individual color, contrast, brightness, gamma, settings).
For instance, I can have my HDTV ISF calibrated for 720p, and not 1080i, and when I use a 720p source, everything looks great, and when I use a 1080i source, it looks like shit (because it's not calibrated). Each setting on a TV needs to be calibrated.
It can get even more problematic than that, sometimes it can also relate to the physical connection (ie: component, composite, s-video) and so each setting on each connection would need calibrated... ie: 480i on composite, 480i on s-video, 480i on component, etc. etc.
So anyway, the color loss was his display's fault, not because of the X360's 1080i output. If your TV has correct 1080i settings, the X360 will look every bit as good and accurate as it does at 720p.
For instance, I can have my HDTV ISF calibrated for 720p, and not 1080i, and when I use a 720p source, everything looks great, and when I use a 1080i source, it looks like shit (because it's not calibrated). Each setting on a TV needs to be calibrated.
It can get even more problematic than that, sometimes it can also relate to the physical connection (ie: component, composite, s-video) and so each setting on each connection would need calibrated... ie: 480i on composite, 480i on s-video, 480i on component, etc. etc.
So anyway, the color loss was his display's fault, not because of the X360's 1080i output. If your TV has correct 1080i settings, the X360 will look every bit as good and accurate as it does at 720p.
Error Macro
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Fusebox said:
I dunno, does your plasma have a resolution of 1376x768? If so, then yes, I am saying that.
btw, I said most.
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Sounds like I should be happy enough running my 360 in 1080i. Thanks for the info guys.
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Fusebox said:
"CRTs with published HD"? What does that mean? All I know is that I have a 27" Samsung CRT HDTV that accepts 480p, 720p and 1080i signals but upconverts 720p signals to 1080i.
When one says "Monitor" are we talking about Computer Monitor? and a TV would be a regular CRT TV?
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I have to look for the manual (don't have it on hand) but it just has 1080i marked on the front of the TV.
This is the TV that I have...
Samsung 27" HDTV
This is the TV that I have...
Samsung 27" HDTV
Yeah, a set can have "1080i compatible" on the front and still only have an 852 x 480 Pixel resolution. If it will take the signal and display it, theyll say it's 'HD ready'.
For eg:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00065XUR4/?tag=neogaf0e-20
"37-inch widescreen, high-def, flat-panel gas-plasma display"
(852 x 480 native pixel resolution)
Yeah, no data on the resolution of your TV in that link, maybe Error can show me a link to his resolution.
For eg:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00065XUR4/?tag=neogaf0e-20
"37-inch widescreen, high-def, flat-panel gas-plasma display"
(852 x 480 native pixel resolution)
BlueTsunami said:
Yeah, no data on the resolution of your TV in that link, maybe Error can show me a link to his resolution.
CRT HDTVs don't fully resolve 1920x1080i... probably do 1300x1080i - 1440x1080i... Which is still more than the 1280x720p or 1366x720p limits of the LCD and DLP chip.Fusebox said:
I know my Hitachi is over 1300x1080i...the manual states 1280x1080i but a ISF on AVS tested the TV and said it was actually a little over 1300x1080i. Hitachi is conservative with their numbers.
I know resolution can be as low as 950x1080i. someone mention their Panasonic CRT had 950 lines.
I have a projector... and I home theatre as well. The projector is old, but I was told it COULD handle 1080i signals through the VGA port. So I bought the component to VGA converter from ebay, and got a 1080i xbox game (mx unleashed) and it said "out of range" I gave up.
Then today I was reading about how the 360 can do resolutions and forced 1080i, so I gave it another whirl... this time with my laptop. I put the laptop to 800x600 (the highest my projector will go) and it worked perfectly!
So here is the question:
Will the 360 work on my projector with the VGA cable... and is it worth it over RCA cables if the best I can do is 800x600?
Then today I was reading about how the 360 can do resolutions and forced 1080i, so I gave it another whirl... this time with my laptop. I put the laptop to 800x600 (the highest my projector will go) and it worked perfectly!
So here is the question:
Will the 360 work on my projector with the VGA cable... and is it worth it over RCA cables if the best I can do is 800x600?
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I'm trying to find the true resolution that my TV outputs but can't find anything. It seems to be LCD Monitor/TVs that really have pixel resolution really scrutinized like that.
Error Macro
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Fusebox said:
Sony boldly advertises 1400 lines of horizontal resolution on their Super Fine Pitch CRT's. If you dig through some white papers, you can usually find the real resolving power on other manufacturer's sets. Not the same as advertising, but still.
Blaster1X said:
You can buy LCD HDTV's which have a native res of 1080p like the Sharp 1080p Aquos LCD's.
Also, you can buy DLP RPTV's which have a native res of 1080p as well.
So, your comment about 1280x720p or "1366x720p" being the limits of the LCD & DLP "chips" is false.
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.Abras. said:
I'm pretty positive the 360 would upscale the image to 1080i and then output it. At least I would hope so.
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vatstep said:
There is an option on the hardware that you change between 480p, 720p, and 1080i. I believe Element took a pic of it.
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I know. But I'm just surprised that this guy is claiming that, regardless of your display, you should chose to output at 720p, EVEN IF you have a 1080i set - letting your TV do the job, not the Xbox. Especially after hearing that the 360s scaler was designed by the ex-M2/WebTV team - this isn't some shitty upconverting DVD-player quality deal.Agent Icebeezy said:
Blaster1X said:
Umm, The DLP DMD chips at the moment are Wobulated of course. But, it still does not change the fact that it came resolve pretty much all the detail in 1080i. Hell, we could start a 100 plus page thread about this issue alone.
Anyway, the Sharp LCD Panels have a native res of 1080p, so your comment about LCD was false no matter what way you look at it.