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Xbox Live

beermonkey@tehbias said:
I played PC games online for most of a decade. As far as community and communication goes, Live blows it away.

Exactly, I played on TEN, gamespy, and that one whos logo was a modified peace sign/nuke logo (cant remember the name for the life of me) for YEARS and wasnt ever able to have this much fun. I didnt have friends across multiple games, it wasnt easy to find people I wanted to play with and switching games or inviting someone to a game was a multi step process.

Dont tell me Xbox Live is a P2P matching service, because Ive played on several of those, and this isnt the same.
 
DCharlie said:
i can't help but feel all this could have been avoided if i'd just added ";)" to the end...

sorry, I get touchy when people bitch about Live. I just get very frustrated with people who have very likely never played Xbox Live deciding how much of a waste of money it is.
 
Pretty much cant play any other game on another platform becuase the standards are really poor compared to Live. Firends list, private chat, new demo for download befire they hit the stands, quality online games with lots of modes, actually getting to know gamers from GAF etc

XBL is one of the greatest things to happen to gaming.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Since you're the one jumping on this statement, why not explain why it's 'patently false?' I don't give a shit about the claim, and, in my view, neither should anyone else unless you're a worry-wart MS stockholder or company executive. The labor (support & maintenance) and marketing is probably the largest part of that number. The investment in an online platform, and all of things that go into that, such as marketing it to consumers, evangelizing it to devs and pubs, and backing that up with a big push from internal end-user software for both the consumer and the development community is an expensive undertaking.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113529311826629896.html?mod=todays_free_feature

Mr. Goodman, the Yankee Group analyst, estimates that Microsoft spent more than $200 million just to develop Xbox Live. Mr. Pachter, of Wedbush Morgan, estimates the company has spent more than $1 billion total on the service, including marketing costs. Microsoft won't disclose the cost, though Mr. Greenberg said it has made "a huge investment" in Xbox Live. Microsoft pledged in 2002 to spend $2 billion over five years to beef up its Xbox business, including the development of Xbox Live and the Xbox 360.

guess you're right. 800+ million for 'it's good to play together!' ads and 200 million for content servers, apparently. point ceded.
 
Seriously, all this bitching and I still haven't read one good reason not to be on Live.

Its $50 a month? Who gives a fuck.......

Live, IMO, is the best thing to ever happen to gaming. I'm 28 years old and none of my "real" friends play video games. But guess what? With Live I've got a whole community of people just as crazy about playing games as I am. And I can play with or against them without ever leaving my couch.

Live 360 is light years better than Live on the Xbox.......

Its $4.17 a month folks. One $50 game a year.

I would imagine most of the people complaining about the cost have wasted $50 on some shit game in the past twelve months. Why not spend it on something far superior?
 
$50 a year for this hobby is nothing


millions and millions of dollers...GAFs PDZ crew

Getting connected with people who not only share your passion for gaming but also compete on the same level you do is what makes live so special. My friends only play certain games (Pro Evo or HAlo2) so its hard to get them to try anything else. XBL lets me do that

Besides, most of the games i play online is not available on PC
 
Fewer cheaters (and no Gameshark, yet), active discouragement of fucktard behavior via feedback system, decent matchmaking, game independent voice chat (even during offline modes), free demos/videos in 720p, achievement tracking, leaderboards on every game (more or less), universal friends list, Live Arcade...

Frankly, the $50 is a enough of a deterrent to keep people honest. If it were free, Johnny Teenager would create 50 usernames so he could yell Linkin Park lyrics into your headset in every multiplayer game. Someone does that now, I put them on my Avoid list and I never see them again.
 
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113529311826629896.html?mod=todays_free_feature

Microsoft Corp.'s new Xbox 360 videogame console comes bundled with lots of bells and whistles, such as movielike graphics. But Microsoft's bid to reshape the videogame industry largely is tied up in one feature: the machine's emphasis on online play.

Microsoft is making a big -- and risky -- bet that videogame players will flock to the opportunity to play lots of games against each other over the Internet. The Xbox 360, released in the U.S. last month, lets users play more games online than the original Xbox. It also lets users purchase and download games.

The company has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on its online service, Xbox Live, analysts say. To attract more online users, Microsoft is bundling free but limited access to its online service with the Xbox 360. But to play games against others, users must subscribe for $50 a year. That doesn't include the cost of games, or the required high-speed Internet access.

The Redmond, Wash., company's strategy may usher in a new era in the $25 billion games industry. Sony Corp. and Nintendo Co. are expected to make online gaming a key component of their new systems, scheduled to be released next year.

Online gaming isn't new. It blossomed in the 1990s on personal computers, where tech-savvy players dueled in fantasy games. In recent years, console makers entered the field, allowing online matchups in a limited number of games. Now, the industry thinks it can expand the audience, due in part to increased adoption of high-speed Internet connections. The expansion may help the industry build new revenue streams, including online advertisements targeted at gamers.

But the big move into online gaming carries risks. It is not clear that companies like Microsoft and Sony will be able to lure large numbers of players -- each has attracted a small fraction of users to online play with their previous consoles. The companies also must be careful about new business models for distributing games -- such as games-on-demand -- so as not to alienate game publishers, who still rely heavily on in-store sales. And games designed for multiple players have a mixed record of attracting customers.

The challenge is to expand the appeal of online gaming beyond the core audience of hardcore gamers, and casual players may not bite, said Michael Goodman, senior analyst with Yankee Group, a technology-research firm in Boston.

Added Michael Pachter, an analyst with Wedbush Morgan Securities: "At the end of the day, we don't play games for social interaction … We play games to escape." Microsoft's strategy is "absolutely flawed," he said.

Online Focus

Even before the launch of the Xbox 360, Microsoft was the most aggressive of the console makers in championing online gaming. More than 150 games for its original Xbox, launched in 2001, allow gamers to play against each other online as long as users pay the Xbox Live subscription fee.

The appeal of online play is that users can quickly find human competitors -- whether they're friends or strangers -- without having to gather in someone's living room. For instance, a user wanting to find a competitor in Electronic Arts Inc.'s Madden football game late at night easily can log on to Xbox Live and find a foe within seconds. Each player would coach a virtual team in the same game.

More than two million users of the original Xbox have subscribed to Xbox Live, or about 10% of the customer base. Adoption has been "much faster than expected," said Aaron Greenberg, Microsoft's group marketing manager for Xbox Live, who declined to say whether the service is profitable. With the Xbox 360, Microsoft hopes to persuade 50% of users to hook up to the Internet, he said.

One of Microsoft's strategies to garner more online users is to make it easier to sign up. Unlike with the original Xbox, users of the Xbox 360 don't have to buy a special online kit at a store. If they get the $400, premium version of the new console -- or pay for extra memory for the $300 core model -- they get a free subscription to a service called Xbox Live Silver. It lets players buy and download certain games and send text or voice messages to other users. If they want to compete against others online, they must upgrade to the pay service, known as Xbox Live Gold.

Users pick a nickname -- called a "gamertag" -- that identifies who they are in any game they play on the Xbox 360. This makes it easier for other users to find them and communicate, and it allows Microsoft to offer features in the Gold service such as a tool that assigns a rating to players and pairs them with competitors of similar skill levels.

High Stakes

Mr. Goodman, the Yankee Group analyst, estimates that Microsoft spent more than $200 million just to develop Xbox Live. Mr. Pachter, of Wedbush Morgan, estimates the company has spent more than $1 billion total on the service, including marketing costs. Microsoft won't disclose the cost, though Mr. Greenberg said it has made "a huge investment" in Xbox Live. Microsoft pledged in 2002 to spend $2 billion over five years to beef up its Xbox business, including the development of Xbox Live and the Xbox 360.

The Xbox Live service is part of an entertainment division which includes the Xbox console, as well as PC games and interactive TV products. The division reported an operating loss of $391 million on $3.24 billion in revenue for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2005. Microsoft expects a wider loss for the current fiscal year, because of costs associated with the Xbox 360's launch.

Microsoft's ability to convince more users to pay for the online service will play a key role in the Xbox's profitability. While online gaming is growing in popularity – U.S. revenue is expected to climb to $1.6 billion next year from $1.1 billion this year, according to Dallas research firm Parks Associates -- the concept remains unfamiliar to many users of console machines like the Xbox. And while many of the most popular PC games incorporate online play, such features are often included for free. An exception is multiplayer PC games designed for thousands of players, in which publishers typically charge a monthly subscription fee of about $15.

Microsoft could attract a higher percentage of online users for the Xbox 360 than it has with the original Xbox, industry analysts said, in part because the company has positioned the console to be a one-stop digital entertainment center, allowing users to download and play movies and music and view digital photos. But some analysts said they were skeptical that interest among gamers in playing online is strong enough for Microsoft to meet its goal of getting half of Xbox 360 users to use the online service. "The market for online gaming for Xbox is maybe 20%" of users, Mr. Pachter said.

One strategy Microsoft is using to expand its audience is Xbox Live Arcade, a service geared to more casual gamers that features games that are faster to learn, and don't take as long to play. It lets users download arcade-style games for free and test them for a few days -- or for a few levels of the game. If they like a game, users pay between $5 and $15 to keep it. Multiplayer titles include Gauntlet and Joust, popular games from the 1980s.

The company also will allow players to buy add-on content for games, such as special characters and weapons, and Microsoft will share the revenue with publishers. The move could help push more publishers to make online-compatible games for the Xbox 360.

A Centralized Service

Among console makers, only Microsoft has launched a centralized online service. Sony and Nintendo allow online play for their existing consoles, but users must subscribe for individual games through services offered by game publishers, and typically don't pay extra fees to play online.

Sony has said little about the online gaming features that will be available on its PlayStation 3, scheduled to be released next spring, though spokesman Woodrow Mosqueda said "online gaming is going to be a really big deal." He declined to say whether Sony will charge users a fee to play online on the machine. About 5% to 6% of users of the five-year-old PlayStation 2, the world's most popular console, play games online, estimates Yankee Group. More than 30 million of the consoles have been sold in the U.S. alone, about double the number of Xboxes sold. Sony's lead world-wide is even larger.

Nintendo's four-year old game console, the Gamecube, allows users to play some games online if they have a special adapter. Its next-generation console, code-named Revolution, will offer more online gaming, including a centralized service where users can access multiple games. The company said gamers will be able to download popular older games made by Nintendo. It hasn't said whether a fee will be charged, though its first iteration of the service -- for its portable game-playing device -- is free.
 
Don't you guys ever get any deals on Xbox Live? I managed to pick up 3 Halo 2 + 12 months live (work on 360) + headset for £15 ($27) each.

After selling the copies of Halo 2 it's worked out $25 for 3 years subscription. I can forget about renewing now until March 2009. :D
 
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