Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

I am very sad that my first post has to be on the day that such horrible news is received but that being said, this is not surprising. Where there is smoke, there is fire and we have been able to smell the smoke for a while. Its very unfortunate that this has to happen. I am hopeful that sony will not follow in the footsteps of microsoft as this behavior is not one to be emulated.
 
I have been beyond ecstatic for a PS4, as they have been hitting all the right notes thus far. But even without a mandatory camera or an always online requirement, it stands to reason that the 'publisher approved' policies with used games at 'participating retailers' will be the exactly the same. There will be no difference here, therefore, no renting or loaning games from publishers who enforce such policies on either system. That is what I am expecting.

Thank you! GAF read this post 10 times this is what the major publishers will do. Don't expect anything else.
 
So Microsoft seems to be throwing First-Sale doctrine to the wind. I'm sure someone is going to take them to court over this. I see a Class-Action coming soon.
 
So if my kid is playing any game in my library from upstairs, I would be locked out of the whole library if I want to play something else in the living room?

Not that I'm getting a x1 ever, but wow!

They only want the X1 in your living room. They aren't designing it to have more than a single one in a house. And god forbid if one of your kids ever go away to school and have a separate xbox there, that isn't allowed either unless they buy new copies of all the games they want to play or you give away your rights to the games to them
 
Argh, I wish MS hadn't announced this now. Now it gives Sony an opening to announce policies that are only a little bit less restrictive at E3 and still seem like the good guy.
 
Here's a crazy thought: The internet might not be up, even if the power is back on after a hurricane.

Or, as what happened with Hurricane Sandy here, I was lucky enough to never lose power, but my internet was down for 4 days (outside of cellular data, that was okay).

Thankfully I could still play games on Steam.
 
To all people not caring...


Even if you're ok with most policies because you don't buy used and whatnot. It's not about you, its about an industry as a whole now. Its about protecting the convenience we currently have as a customer. Its about not letting this shithole happen. It's gonna be like a blackhole if we let this happen, it will suck in everything of what we know and like about console gaming.

Wake the fuck up and don't buy the Xbox One.
It's the one, the one chance we have to save console gaming. Seriously.

Quoted, so the people don't miss it.
 
This is where Jaffe's tweet comes into play. Publishers will disallow trades for at least the first 2-3 months (this is where they've said the bulk of New Games sales generate) eliminating this loophole before it could ever be used.

So basically I can only trade in the game when the trade-in value is horribly insignificant because at that point, no one even cares about the game anymore...

Why are people defending this again?
 
Put this together to educate your not so tech savvy friends
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people should post this on their Facebook + Twitter...
 
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

Highlights (lowlights?):


No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)

Console Checks in Every 24 hours

Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers

You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.

Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time

Maybe I'm misunderstanding that last part, so I'm going to provide an example and maybe somebody can clear it up for me:

I buy a Xbone, I register for Xbox Live and make an account. My girlfriend and brother make an account as well on my Xbone as "family members". They then go and buy a Xbone themselves for their place, and log into their already established account (from my Xbone). At that point, will they each have access to any and all games (on their Xbone) that I have ever installed on my Xbone? If so, that is pretty cool.

Too bad it will most likely be hidden behind a pay-wall and attached to the Xbone because holy hell the rest of those bullet points sound god awful.
 
So it sounds like a can sell games to my friends if I want.

Also, I don't need to lug games to my friends' houses.

Makes some things easier, while cutting back the used game market. Obviously, internet-dependent as well.
Another catch being though, instead of simply popping in a disc, you have to wait for the game to actually be downloaded and installed to your friend's hard drive. Once you think about it like that, I'm not really sure it'll be all that great...
 
This is really starting to look like the PS3/360 situation in reverse. Now all we need is a significant price differential at launch, though not quite as severe as 200 dollars a year later for practically the same games (unoptimized most of the time)
 
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

my mouth is agape. seriously. that's some evil shit.



Not as evil as them timing the trade in embargo to coincide with a publishers next game coming out!


But they drop the price of the digital version the day before, so that the used game becomes so worthless you don't trade it in!
 
To all people not caring...


Even if you're ok with most policies because you don't buy used and whatnot. It's not about you, its about an industry as a whole now. Its about protecting the convenience we currently have as a customer. Its about not letting this shithole happen. It's gonna be like a blackhole if we let this happen, it will suck in everything of what we know and like about console gaming.

Wake the fuck up and don't buy the Xbox One.
It's the one, the one chance we have to save console gaming. Seriously.

but the line's already been crossed with Steam and (I know, I know...) iOS...
 
If PS4 goes the XB1 route of used games DRM, how much more appealing will the Wii U be? lol. Just curious to the non-owners (I have one, and I still want the PS4).
 
This is where Jaffe's tweet comes into play. Publishers will disallow trades for at least the first 2-3 months (this is where they've said the bulk of New Games sales generate) eliminating this loophole before it could ever be used.

Jesus Christ. They're going in hard.
 
Microsoft is going all in scorched earth scenario.
I hope it backfires on them and every publisher they colluded with, otherwise the future of gaming is going to be a bleak wasteland of mediocrity and yearly refresh releases.
 
To all people not caring...

Even if you're ok with most policies because you don't buy used and whatnot. It's not about you, its about an industry as a whole now. Its about protecting the convenience we currently have as a customer. Its about not letting this shithole happen. It's gonna be like a blackhole if we let this happen, it will suck in everything of what we know and like about console gaming.

Wake the fuck up and don't buy the Xbox One.
It's the one, the one chance we have to save console gaming. Seriously.
We are going to canvas every mom and pop shop with the new "With Xbox One You Cannot" flyers.
We are going to protest and picket outside every GameStop location during the Xbox One's launch and hand out flyers so people know what they're supporting.
Any of you located in Los Angeles should organize a rally for that Microsoft Store location where the Xbox One is being demoed after the Sony conference on Monday.

MICROSOFT THINKS WE'RE BLUFFING! This is officially a call to arms!
 
I'm on board for the Xbox One boycott. I don't care if only ten of us ever end up boycotting, I'm going to be a part of it.
 
I just hope that, in the eye of E3 and the potential exclusive rumors of Mirrors Edge 2 and new Banjo/Killer Instinct (Rare game) etc. everyone will be able to hold their wallets and not give in to purchasing this shit.
 
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. I'm a satellite dish installer in L.A, and I have been in many homes where there is a 360 underneath the T.V without an internet connection, not even dial-up.

This seem to happen to every successful hardware manufacturer, they follow up the next generation with arrogance and bloated ego's.
 
If Sony goes down the same road, I honestly think I'm done with this generation before it's even started.

I am very sad that my first post has to be on the day that such horrible news is received but that being said, this is not surprising. Where there is smoke, there is fire and we have been able to smell the smoke for a while. Its very unfortunate that this has to happen. I am hopeful that sony will not follow in the footsteps of microsoft as this behavior is not one to be emulated.

Welcome :)
 
I totally understand the people who think this isn't as bad as they thought. That's because IT'S WORSE. I am dumbfounded by this anti-consumer bullshit that is trying to squeeze out the consumer all the while giving MORE money to the already rich corporation.

Plus, after all this NSA PRISM nonsense, I 100% refuse to believe that MS wouldn't use Kinect to record whatever they wanted of you and your household AND have no trouble sending that data to the NSA at the drop of a hat because there will be nothing illegal whatsoever about that at all according to the Patriot Act. Soon you will have no rights to ANYTHING and you will have brought it all on yourself. Congratulations.

NO ONE should buy this all-in-one consumer-fucking, privacy-denying, piece of greedy corporation-empowering ass rubbish. Get the word out.

It would be nice if more people realized this, and maybe if a gaming journalism site connected those dots for readers!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order
 
Just talked to two non-GAFfer who were unaware about all of this and both of their replies were, "Oh, I don't care about that stuff."

Fuck it.
 
So imagine this scenario:

I log out at 10pm today. Next day I want to play a single player game at 11pm but my often reliable ISP has a problem and I don't have internet connection at that moment. Can I play or my console becomes a fancy paperweight?

Because I see devs on twitter saying the 24-hour online check is no big deal because nobody doesn't have internet access for 24-hour periods (which is probably true for 99% of people with internet) but for the big majority of people that only play at the night period, it's only a matter of time until your internet connection goes down for a 2-hour period and you can't play that night.
 
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