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[GuitarAnthony]

I'd like to thank Microsoft for saving me literally thousands of dollars I would have spent on a Xbox One by their recent decisions. I'd also like to thank Sony because chances are good they're doing the same and Nintendo because the Wii U just isn't cutting it for me.

Jesus, a computer is going to be my gaming platform of choice. I haven't been in this position since I was using a Commodore Amiga 500. Speedball II:Brutal Deluxe baby!

 

[Z3M0G]

Gamers are among the most stupid demographic in entertainment. Is there a demographic that willingly, and happily, bends over as much as a lot of gamers? This is the same demographic that openly embraced DLC, faulty hardware, a paywall tax, and a paywall tax increase in one generation. Christ all mighty.

It all started with DLC... once people accepted that concept it was all over. And to me the cycle seems complete, I can't see how it can get any worst after this...

- Full game released, new content developed later and sold as DLC
- Content held from games and sold later as DLC
- Content held from games and sold on day-1 as DLC
- Bonus / DLC codes in new copies
- Online Pass codes in new copies
- Play-the-Game codes in new copies

All in one fucking generation... (Edit: well, except for the last point I guess... I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. And maybe it still will with some future Current Gen titles...)

 

[blade85]

how can you watch live TV if your internet is down?

From your cable box. Is that connected to the internet for you? The xbox connects to your cable box, so you can watch tv.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I'm sorry if this has been addressed, but the topic is a bit too big at this point to go hunting for the answer:

What happens when the next-gen Xbox is released 8 or 10 years from now or the Xbox after that? I mean typically publishers and developers stop hosting servers and providing support to old software and hardware once replacement merchandise is released. You don't see Nintendo offering much in the way of support for NES, SNES, N64, or Cube. How will people play their Xone games years from now? Sure, the next system could be backwards compatible, but given MS record of this (360 isn't 100% BC and Xone isn't BC at all) why should anyone expect otherwise moving forward??? It sounds like people are going to invest a ton of money into this, and then 2 or so years after its successor is released, but out of luck and unable to play any if their old games.

MS hasn't addressed this concern yet. In my opinion it's one of the worst aspects of all of this.

 

[Htown]

That won't happen. In this market, informed customers are the minority - they're shooting for the Blue Ocean of "OMG TEEVEE AND GAMES IN ONE!!"-like customers.

Those people do not exist.

And as somebody who used to work in returns in retail for a few years, lemme tell you... this thing has "massive return numbers" written all over it.

 

[lowrider007]

That won't happen. In this market, informed customers are the minority - they're shooting for the Blue Ocean of "OMG TEEVEE AND GAMES IN ONE!!"-like customers.

I'm not so sure, my younger brothers tell me DRM is the hot topic over the teapot atm, they and all their friends are very concerned about losing rights over their games and not being able to buy cheap secondhand games with their pocket money, even my mum knows all about it because one of them has now said he wants a PC for Christmas and the other a PS4 if it doesn't go down the DRM route, I think people are getting more informed than we release thanks to kids being connected these days.

 

[PaulLFC]

Also, no DRM issues on PCs!

Can you play DRM Free games on Xbox One? Oh...

 

[Alpende]

I'm sorry if this has been addressed, but the topic is a bit too big at this point to go hunting for the answer:

What happens when the next-gen Xbox is released 8 or 10 years from now or the Xbox after that? I mean typically publishers and developers stop hosting servers and providing support to old software and hardware once replacement merchandise is released. You don't see Nintendo offering much in the way of support for NES, SNES, N64, or Cube. How will people play their Xone games years from now? Sure, the next system could be backwards compatible, but given MS record of this (360 isn't 100% BC and Xone isn't BC at all) why should anyone expect otherwise moving forward??? It sounds like people are going to invest a ton of money into this, and then 2 or so years after its successor is released, but out of luck and unable to play any if their old games.

The Cloud. MS's answer on everything; The mighty Cloud.

 

[gutter_trash]

That won't happen. In this market, informed customers are the minority - they're shooting for the Blue Ocean of "OMG TEEVEE AND GAMES IN ONE!!"-like customers.

Crashes have happened in the past, consummer backlash on poor quality games in early 80s almost killed off the industry in the West. ( 2600 era)

Thankfully Nintendo was working on the Famicon (NES) that saved consoles in thr West by 1985-86. (Sega helped too with Master System)

Today the Wii-U is showing weakness + MS is DRMing the Xbone. If Sony follows MS = we could see a console market crash

 

[AxeMan]

Just had a thought

Are MS trying to replace the PC?

They have removed all that made consoles consoles.

PCs have been used as Media Centres for years. Is it possible they want to take over this and give a killer blow to the PC as a media centre for those that don't like PCs?

 

[Xpliskin]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's

Xboneitprintsmoney.gif



Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

 

[Mr Swine]

Crashes have happened in the past, consummer backlash on poor quality games in early 80s almost killed off the industry in the West. ( 2600 era)

Thankfully Nintendo was working on the Famicon (NES) that saved consoles in thr West by 1985-86. (Sega helped too with Master System)

Today the Wii-U is showing weakness + MS is DRMing the Xbone. If Sony follows MS = we could see a console market crash

I honestly don't see everyone not buying the next gen systems if they have DRM. People will adapt and buy the consoles no matter what. If a crash is coming it will come even if the consoles don't have DRM

 

[eznark]

Man, juniors fucking loooooooove the xbone

 

[GraveRobberX]

Why are most who are thinking about buying an Xbone go that the 10 Family share plan is going to be so easy to abuse?

Me and my 9 friends get to Gameshare @$6 a pop!

If you really think a multi-hundred billion dollar company hasn't created such loopholes on their previous systems, why will they now, generosity?

If most of you are scared someone takes your credit card credentials, are you OK with 9 other people friends/family using your account while your card has to be on file
Even one story of betrayal-ton can fucking create doubt in so many friendships of Oh shit!, I need to really think this out
They could put so many hurdles, it would be really hard to get 10 people on the system
They could say want 10 people family share plan, $199XBL/year for that opportunity
Then add more restrictions on top of that

MS wants you as a repeat customer, their whole philosophy is changing towards subscriptions
Before Office used to be stand alone, now it has to be renewed on a yearly basis

Also most miss the part, the "giving" a game once to a friend is up to the publishers discretion, if they allow it...
(It won't be a feature from the get go, you'll get permission down the line)

 

[Zen_Arcade]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's

Xboneitprintsmoney.gif


Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

They're not going to announce any of this DRM stuff at their conference. If they are doing it the best chance we have at finding out what's up is from the press after the conference, and even then its completely up to Sony to tell us. There's a good chance that there will still be a bunch of questions about this for the PS4 after Monday.

 

[Midnight Moon]

I'm really hoping Sony doesn't let us down and are just trolling us. No way am I putting up with that bullshit MS is pulling. Can't pla y your games if there isn't an internet connection...hell no!

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Just had a thought

Are MS trying to replace the PC?

They have removed all that made consoles consoles.

PCs have been used as Media Centres for years. Is it possible they want to take over this and give a killer blow to the PC as a media centre for those that don't like PCs?

IMO they're just forcing a sudden turn to the digital territory. Is a win-win situation for MS (they got a cut on every digital sale) and publishers (no second hand, no lending, etc...). They're doing in a way so games and their console has a space in the retailers because they still need them.

 

[sometimes i game]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's

Xboneitprintsmoney.gif



Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

ME2 seems like one of those games everyone pretends to care about, especially years and years later. It's not a system seller, especially site unseen (and Kinect implementation unseen).

I did love the first one though.

 

[ZarraN]

Sony has already a system in place for DRM on the PS3 which is open for publishers to use, it's called disk benefits. Disk benefits is basically the same thing as a online pass but instead of getting a code you get your content tied to the disk.

The only problem with online pass and this disk benefits is that both requires a internet connection since it's a onetime its requires a one time activation connected to your account through SEN. Publishers could already make there games even singleplayer online required and tie the hole game behind a single online activation but they have decided not to do that, so why would Sony change this?

 

[Unlucky]

Interesting article...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...ould-solve-used-games-issue-by-looking-at-pc/

Digital downloads are hard to copy... Why not make the direct download games 50% of the boxed price and have the consumers choose if they want to own a hard copy that they can share, or download it cheaper.

Warman is also in favor of having multiple Xbox One and PS4 boxes and letting gamers choose. One box could play used games for those who enjoy that model, while another box would lock that out. And prices would be different accordingly.

While either one of these would be a step down from the current gen from a consumer standpoint, there may be some sort of compromise I can live with. I hope Sony is paying attention, as Microsoft surely isn't listening to us.

 

[lowrider007]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's

Xboneitprintsmoney.gif



Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

ahhh ok den, you gots me, cuff me up!

You know that would be quite ironic actually considering it was HL2 that forced a lot of us to accept Steam as a digital distributor, in hindsight it was actually very clever of Gabe to use such a prolific game to require Steam authentication, it certainly got me on the platform.

In truth though I'm really not sure MS have the exclusive content to make people like myself relinquish my rights, but will see soon enough I guess.

 

[notoccupanther]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's



Xboneitprintsmoney.gif



Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

Sad but True perhaps ..

 

[speedline]

Just had a thought

Are MS trying to replace the PC?

They have removed all that made consoles consoles.

PCs have been used as Media Centres for years. Is it possible they want to take over this and give a killer blow to the PC as a media centre for those that don't like PCs?

That's basically what this is, a DRM infused, proprietary HTPC that can only play one generation of games. Then there's the camera that has to be plugged in.....

 

[Mung]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's

Xboneitprintsmoney.gif



Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

Frankly they could have the 10 greatest games of all time at launch and I wouldn't give a fuck.

 

[DC1]

People are just as delusional as EA, Ubisoft and Activision if they think they don't NEED Sony.

It's not the other way around.

This is so true. Been gaming a long time... I don't play the sports game religiously anymore, not a COD fan, never got into AC and got a commitment unfulfilled from Bioware/EA.
To top it off (between my kids and I), I still dump a very healthy amount of money into gaming entertainment.

I will be very happy to hand that money to the publishers who continue to work with Sony.

 

[Arjen]

[4 days later ...]
Mirror's Edge 2 or HL3 or IPs of doom announced as Xbone exclusive.

chatter stops
mass acceptance ensues
everybody bends over like domino's

Xboneitprintsmoney.gif



Sony's conference on Monday will be a defining moment.

There's no single game that can convince me to buy an Xbone now.
And i hope everyone saying they will boycot it feels the same way.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Gamers are among the most stupid demographic in entertainment. Is there a demographic that willingly, and happily, bends over as much as a lot of gamers? This is the same demographic that openly embraced DLC, faulty hardware, a paywall tax, and a paywall tax increase in one generation. Christ all mighty.

If a crash happens, we definitely had it coming.

 

[SmokedMeat]

If so, then goodbye MS & Sony, all hail our new PC and Nintendo overlords .

Yup. Can't wait until Monday to get the word on what Sony's doing. If they follow Microsoft I'll be buying a Wii U this month.

 

[Lynd7]

I'd be funny if Sony could create a similar situation to what happened with the Sega Saturn.

Sony's first lines at the start of the conference "No DRM"

 

[disastermouse]

The Cloud. MS's answer on everything; The mighty Cloud.

If you build pie-in-the-sky plans on something as rock-solid as clouds, don't be surprised when gravity has its way with you, MS.

 

[Steroyd]

You´re just reading SONYs statements wrong - they also said this to KOTAKU:



Sounds familiar?



Absolutely not.

On the surface it sounds familiar, but it's the equivalent of MS having the DRM switch defaulted to on and the publishers opt out if they choose whereas Sony's DRM switch is defaulted off and publishers can opt in if they so choose.

In my eyes it's a world of difference because I can straight up ignore the developers that implement it and everything else system-wide will be the status quo.

 

[Beelzebubs]

Man, juniors fucking loooooooove the xbone

The only thing I love about the XBone at the the moment is watching it spectacularly crash and burn. It's going the way of the Hindenburg. Sadly though it's draging consumer rights down with it.

Sony will still do similar DRM I assume but they've managed to say internet is not a requirement in a few places so I don't know how it will work but overall it's going to be bad for the industry.

Can't wait for E3!

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[rakkadakka]

Imagine a world where every NES cartridge, all expired and didn't work all at the same time when the every 24 hour "permission to play" servers were determined to no longer be necessary.

Who are these people still playing NES games on their original NES?

The real point of suck here is that I will not be able to sell games on ebay any longer.

The big question that won't be answered for a long time is if MS can pull off Steam like sales.

I think that would go a long way towards redeeming these policies.

For me at least.

 

[Miguga64]

This is my opinion, but I am pretty sure EA have a lot to do with this.
I think is pretty obvious that Microsoft and EA have been working or meeting on all this "ONLINE ONLY" method that is making the industry change in a bad way.

Simcity (5) is a game that I waited for 8+ years, EA gave us a buggy, broken game, but still works as a money vacumm.

Microsoft now knows that EA still sells with Simcity (5), even with all the complaints, servers issue and lies... they still get $$$.

I don't mind with publishers and console makers making money... I care when the costumer is the affected one, after PAYING ALREADY $60.00 for a game.

 

[DC1]

On the surface it sounds familiar, but it's the equivalent of MS having the DRM switch defaulted to on and the publishers opt out if they choose whereas Sony's DRM switch is defaulted off and publishers can opt in if they so choose.

In my eyes it's a world of difference because I can straight up ignore the developers that implement it and everything else system-wide will be the status quo.

It is all the difference in the world.

As it stands right now, Sony = Choice.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Just imagine if Sony doesn't follow along with Microsoft and launches PS4 in September at $350? Microsoft's head would be on a spike.

 

[RepairmanJack]

On the surface it sounds familiar, but it's the equivalent of MS having the DRM switch defaulted to on and the publishers opt out if they choose whereas Sony's DRM switch is defaulted off and publishers can opt in if they so choose.

In my eyes it's a world of difference because I can straight up ignore the developers that implement it and everything else system-wide will be the status quo.

That's not even true. The DRM is system wide plain and simple. The only choice that the publishers is ever stated to have is choosing whether you can resell your games to MS's approved retailers. That's the only option publishers are stated to have. There is a huge difference.

 

[sometimes i game]

That won't happen. In this market, informed customers are the minority - they're shooting for the Blue Ocean of "OMG TEEVEE AND GAMES IN ONE!!"-like customers.

I feel like it could happen with something this big. There are no direct comparisons, but uninformed consumers didn't rush to buy PS3s because it was the PS2's successor, they're not rushing to buy Wii Us, etc. I want to believe there's room for a stigma to make a difference in the mainstream and purchases aren't simply autopilot.

 

[Steph_E.]

You may find this hard to believe, but it's true: there are 4 Xbox 360's in my stepdaughter's house: one in the lounge and one in each of the three bedrooms. Currently anybody can play any game on any of the Xboxes, but if they were all replaced with Xbox Ones how would they fare? The best idea I can come up with is to install all games on the Xbox in the lounge, and if someone wants to play on another Xbox, they log in on one of the other Xboxes. But the way I see it, there is no way of using more than two Xboxes at the same time without buying multiple copies of games. Am I correct, or am I missing something?

 

[wsippel]

Crashes have happened in the past, consummer backlash on poor quality games in early 80s almost killed off the industry in the West. ( 2600 era)

Thankfully Nintendo was working on the Famicon (NES) that saved consoles in thr West by 1985-86. (Sega helped too with Master System)

Today the Wii-U is showing weakness + MS is DRMing the Xbone. If Sony follows MS = we could see a console market crash

Wii U is weak now, but assuming Sony follows (and I expect them to, at least to some degree - I don't think Microsoft would do all this if they didn't know Sony will do the same), things could change quickly. They'd suddenly have some unexpected partners for example, like Ebay or GameFly (who's also the parent company of GamesRadar, Shacknews and MobyGames). Ebay Germany already started promoting Wii U over Xbox One because they don't have a stake in the console war, but they make money from used games. And I'm sure smaller retail partners relying on used game sales, and potentially some bigger retailers who don't want to sign a deal with MS and/ or Sony, will also start pushing their system harder.

 

[EGM1966]

So I'm wondering... if the XBone has to connect every 24 hours, what happens to the console after the next Xbox comes out? Would MS shut of the servers supporting XBone at some point? What then?

I don't fire up my old PS2 or devices very often but the point is I can. I can load old games on my PC and get them to work. But with the XBone it seems MS can, should they chose, simply kill the console and you games associated with it if they chose.

Not sure I'm going to accept giving them that much power over me - people talk about we're just leasing the games... seems to me MS are getting us to just lease the console too.

 

[Taker666]

Interesting article...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...ould-solve-used-games-issue-by-looking-at-pc/

Digital downloads are hard to copy... Why not make the direct download games 50% of the boxed price and have the consumers choose if they want to own a hard copy that they can share, or download it cheaper.

While either one of these would be a step down from the current gen from a consumer standpoint, there may be some sort of compromise I can live with. I hope Sony is paying attention, as Microsoft surely isn't listening to us.

Nice in theory..in practice they'd just up the price of retail games to $89 and sell the digital version for the same price as usual.

 

[NR1]

Who are these people still playing NES games on their original NES

Not my original NES, but I do play them. I do still use my original SNES, N64, Cube, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, and Dreamcast. I don't want to live in a world where I can't play games I paid for on a system I paid for because the manufacture and publisher felt it was no longer needed to host servers to keep the games working. As long as there is a functional NES out there, I am able to play my copy of Duck Hunt from 1989.

 

[spock]

For those who say "well what about playing my games 10 year from now?"...I'm sure MS has thought of this. The 24 hour checkin might not apply to the life time of the game only say the first 3 years or something like that. They can patch it out or will disable it. People are not going to lose the game they bought. MS is not that stupid and I'm sure they will tweak adjust things as they watch how the new models unfold.

 

[MikeE21286]

The point of this all is this:



1. Take our first steps into gaining consumer acceptance into the eradication of used games.
- Next next-gen they will be gone for good.

2. Games are now completely moving into becoming a service.
- No baby steps here, we are completely moving into this and you own nothing.

3. Aimed to battle piracy also



This box is built for publishers, not for consumers. Period.

 

[Neuromancer]

I had a hard time going to sleep last night, thinking about this nonsense. I just woke up and I'm still angry.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Just imagine if Sony doesn't follow along with Microsoft and launches PS4 in September at $350? Microsoft's head would be on a spike.

I want to believe, but they will probably have an almost identical system in place. If the publishers say we will not release games on your system if it does not include, this, this this, and this they will do it sadly.

Never thought these nightmares would actually be true. Gaming may very well be headed for a major industry crash.

 

[dose]

FThe 24 hour checkin might not apply to the life time of the game only say the first 3 years or something like that. They can patch it out or will disable it.

Which makes a total mockery of the whole system, people will ask if it's possible sometime in the future, why can't they disable it now. Makes no sense.

 

[Skilletor]

For those who say "well what about playing my games 10 year from now?"...I'm sure MS has thought of this. The 24 hour checkin might not apply to the life time of the game only say the first 3 years or something like that. They can patch it out or will disable it. People are not going to lose the game they bought. MS is not that stupid and I'm sure they will tweak adjust things as they watch how the new models unfold.

I'm glad you have so much faith in a console that is giving us permission to play the games we bought. You'll forgive me if I remain skeptical.

 

[RepairmanJack]

Which makes a total mockery of the whole system, people will ask if it's possible sometime in the future, why can't they disable it now. Makes no sense.

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