Wonder if pricing and the Hard Drive / backwards compatibility issues will be talked about?
http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8075
http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8075
Xbox2 unveiling for the trade in Jan 2005
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Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
*waits for people to bitch about how the Xbox 2 is coming out too soon, but its ok for the PS3 to come out 90ish days latter.
The news might not be real but its pretty believable, M$ would have to be showcasing the Xbox2 sometime early next year.
The news might not be real but its pretty believable, M$ would have to be showcasing the Xbox2 sometime early next year.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Let's hope EGM leaks the pics of the device early this time too!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Do The Mario said:
This would be a fun joke hadn't the PlayStation 2 come out almost 1.5 years earlier than the Xbox and the GameCube.
Nice try
.Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Panajev2001a said:This would be a fun joke hadn't the PlayStation 2 come out almost 1.5 years earlier than the Xbox and the GameCube.
Nice try
Irrelevant the next gen is starting at the end of next year, it has nothing to do with when M$s last console came out in the previous gen.
There is nothing wrong with M$ want to be in at the ground floor next gen, (unless youre a Sony fanboy)
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Do The Mario said:
It does have to do with it, it is the whole point.
Nothing ? Oh... you need to be a Sony fanboy... yeah right... no sane Xbox owner would mind that the life-cycle of his/her Xbox has been cut shorter :rolleyes.
Nobody is saying "Xbox 2 is D0000M33333D", I am just saying that if you own an Xbox and are even mildly upset that the Xbox 2 will launch "a year early" (cutting the life cycle of the console to 4 years) then you have some kind of point... especially if the Xbox 2/Xenon is not backward-compatible with the Xbox.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Panajev2001a said:
Would you be happy if M$ from now on releases every console 1.5 years after Sony so they can give there fans the exact same console lifespan?
Give me a break the Xbox would die in that year+ lead they gave Sony, most games would get developed for the PS3 and Xbox fans will go buy a Sony console.
I Honestly havent met a casual Xbox gamer that has a problem with the Xbox2 coming out next year. I was having a beer with a few of my mates that are casual gamers and when I told them the Xbox 2 was coming out next year in the states they thought it was awesome.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Do The Mario said:
I cannot ask this of them, it would not make business sense to release their hardware again one year later (if Sony decides to release their console in 2005-2006) being the new player in the market they have to create a similarly massive brand-power as the PlayStation brand has.
You have to ask yourself this though: would PlayStation 3 release later or not if the Xbox 2 launch hadn't always been set around late 2005 ? Say Microsoft always hinted at late 2006 and were making active plans for it.
Something tells me that Sony would have not jumped the gun too much as they could have gained by letting PlayStation 2 and PSP bring money home for a longer period of time.
What I would not like to see is launching early + no backward-compatibility and I don't think I am the only one that has this feeling.
Also, I would not like for Xbox 3 to be released in late 2009 or late 2008... I do not look towards the shortening of consoles' life span.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Panajev2001a said:
I totally agree that sony would have loved to delay the next gen, they are the current gen leaders, things are great so they why risk the next gen?
Will M$ shorten console lifespans? Well not if they do well next gen, they wouldnt want to cut the lifespan of a successful And profitable console . (I hope)
Yes I also hope that the Xbox 2 is backwards compatible, purely for KOTOR/KOTOR 2.
The trend I think we will see over the next decade is the less successful console developers speeding up the generations so they can attempt to gain a better position.
mashoutposse
Ante Up
What will be interesting is how the XBOX2 will do without the benefit of being the most powerful hardware (in fact, it will likely be the least capable hardware since it's coming first). The chief XBOX 1 selling point is its hardware; if PS3 gets all the usual exclusive/timed-exclusive PS franchises AND superior 3rd party ports on top of that, it's going to get ugly for MS.
mashoutposse, lets be honest most causal gamers have no idea the Xbox is more powerful than the PS2. In fact many people on here regularly reckon the games look the same or better on the PS2. And thats when a machine is released 1.5 years after the other. The PS3 will release 3-6 months after Xbox2, probably 4 if they go for March 2006. The graphical differences between the machines will be negligible and more than likely impossible to tell the difference. Now you have a point on who's going to pick up the Exclusives and its interesting to see MS making good friends with EA. Lets be honest its focus is going to be the US and Europe and EA is the most important publisher by far, if they can pick up timed exclusives for Xbox 2, it will sell fine.
alejob, Point is pimping any "susposedily" superior aspect of one machine over the other appeals to a tiny minority of gamers. Most like myself do not understand all the technical crap and hence I can't see MS releasing the Xbox2 3-6 months before PS3 causing any problems. Now if it was 1.5 years later I'm sure Sony would be able to Push the "better Specs" of the machine.
Why would anyone be pissed about the next Xbox coming out 'only 4 years' after the first one. Its not as if the Xbox is just picking up steam and got its first good games. There are tons of great games of for it, which is the only reason whyu the early launch will, or seems likely, to work.
Donkeypuncher
Banned
Why do people always use the "M$" thingie. To look cool? Tough?
That's actually false. XBox was always very heavily advertised as the most powerfull hw on the market, and casuals are just as susceptible to what advertisment tells them as anyone else (or even more).
The fact that they have little or no clue what that really means is irellevant - talking to casuals, the usual response I get is "Xbox is a more powerfull machine". And that perception certainly matters.
Frankly - I don't understand all the technical details behind why one mop advertised on TV is better then the others either, but I will still be tempted to buy the one that is supposed to be the most "powerfull"
gamergirly
Member
joshschw said:
They would if they just bought a Xbox within the last 2 years. Not too many people have the cash to fork over money for a new system every 2 years. Xbox 2 is going to likely cost more than Xbox did(unless they DONT include the hard drive, etc.).
In 1 hand, you're going to have big late gen releases for the current systems(mostly PS2 and GC), and in the other you will have a brand new system(Xbox 2) just released with "PS3 Coming Soon!"(you know they are going to be advertising Sony hard) signs outside the window.
The casual gamer remark is utterly useless against a high scale marketing scheme. IF most current gen system owners are PS2 owners, then they're just going to wait until PS3 comes out. Xbox 2 will have to launch with the biggest software lineup every seen(in terms of both quality, hype, and amount) to draw people away. It just doesnt look too good....
gamergirly said:
If you're the type to wait a year or two to buy a console after it launches, then you're not going to be buying an Xbox 2 at launch anyway. And what about all the people who just bought a PS2? They'll only get 1 1/2 to 2 years on it before PS3 is out.
Launches are for the early adopters.
CrimsonSkies
Member
I enjoy reading opinions like gamergirly's for the laughs.
Panejev. They only "suicide" next gen would be releasing against PS3. Nintendo would be crazy to do it.
Panejev. They only "suicide" next gen would be releasing against PS3. Nintendo would be crazy to do it.
gamergirly
Member
Redbeard said:
Exactly, and MOST people dont buy a console at launch(obviously, bc there's only a limited amount). It's just that while some gamers will be buying or thinking about getting a Xbox 2, the PS3(and perhaps Revolution) hype will start up. Especially when there are still many "big" exclusive games to be released on PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox.
The PS3 signs will come out at GameStop(like they always do), and even Toys'R'Us and Walmart(which can be considered a strong Nintendo ground). Retailers are going to support THE MOST the console makers helping them generate $$$. They're only going to move to Xbox 2 as teh #1 dominant force if PS3 comes out and bombs for some mysterious reason months later. That's why Gamecube has been kicked to the curb in many cases, they arent generating enough money from the system to give it much support....
gamergirly
Member
Redbeard said:
I guess I should rephrase it. It's more like most people CANT get the system at launch due to shortages(or maybe I'm too accustomed to PS sell outs).
PS3's launch is going to affect the potential Xbox 2 buyers, which include those skeptical of Xbox 2 or still thinking but not sure about purchasing one, not people who already have it preordered or what not. It's unfortunate but true to a certain point that no matter what the competitors do, the market leader has an upperhand going into the next gen, even if it doesnt remain so.
Reasons could even be that some might not think that Xbox 2 will last(Dreamcast has really put a dent into that thought), PS3 will be more popular, etc. Casual gamers have a higher chance to move from the competitors' console to the market leader's console.
It's the public perception and hype that does it, no matter what educated or knowledgeable online gamers think. How many Xbox owners do you think bought it as 2nd hand to their PS2 system? How many "true" PS2 owners are there for every "true" Xbox owner? Think about it for a while....
As for Xbox 2 being out for a year, the "talk" isnt going to start when PS3 releases, it starts months before then. "Prepping the market".
Remember, most console owners now are PS2 owners, as I said, unless Xbox 2 gives them a "big" reason to change brands(for Example, Square Enix making several exclusive Xbox 2 games), they're just going to wait for PS3(and/or Revolution) to be released. Even many Gamecube owners will go to Revolution.
Console owners simply stick to what is known and true, unless big mistakes or public perceptions is made(like Nintendo becoming 3rd place this Gen from 2nd place last gen from 1st place the first 2 gens).
Decent games isnt enough to make PS2 owners or retailers move away from supporting PS3. Xbox 2 will have to have much more than that. It has only a limited amount of time to make a big impression on the market before the megaton hits. Hype and marketing can easily kill a system or make one game overshadow others. That's why the ball is in Sony's court....