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You don’t say “plane accident.” We shouldn’t say “car accident” either.

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http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/8995151/crash-not-accident

Of course, most car crashes aren't intentional. But using the word "accident" presupposes that they're not — and, more importantly, implies that nothing could have been done to prevent them.

"The word suggests an event that takes place without foresight or expectations," the public health researchers Hermann Loimer, Mag Dr iur, and Michael Guarnieri write in their history of the word accident. "Yet such events as a group are not random and do not occur by chance; they can be expected to happen."

Moreover, we have hard data on what causes crashes and how to prevent them. Men get into fatal crashes twice as often as women, and the difference can be attributed almost entirely to drunk driving. Putting roads on "diets" — slowing down traffic by turning a second traffic lane into a turning, bike, or parking lane — can cut down on crashes by anywhere from 18 to 25 percent. Protected bike lanes make biking dramatically safer, with various studies concluding that they can cut down on cyclist injuries by anywhere from 25 to 90 percent.

Article also has a good rundown of the power of words and how a subtle change can entirely place the blame on someone else, like what happened with jaywalking.

"In the early days of the automobile, it was drivers' job to avoid you, not your job to avoid them," says Peter Norton, a University of Virginia historian, told me for my story on jaywalking. "But under the new model, streets became a place for cars — and as a pedestrian, it's your fault if you get hit."
 
I would think the difference is car accidents involve multiple drivers and multiple cars. Rarely do planes involve more than one pilot and one plane.
 
Yeah I remember hearing that logic in driver's ed. Its a collision, not an accident.

I'm not sure I buy that. Accidents can happen even if you're not committing 100% of your awareness to your task at hand.
 

phaonaut

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When I hear "car crash" I assume a really bad outcome like most plane crashes, but a "car accident" can be a fender bender and using "crash" as an adjective would not make sense.
 
If I fall down the stairs, it's an accident. But I could have prevented the accident by not wearing socks that were slippery on the stairs.

But it's still an accident. I didn't intend to fall down the stairs. I might not have even grasp that wearing slippery socks on the stairs is dangerous.

I don't think the term "accident" means it couldn't have been prevented.
 

jond76

Banned
The majority of car crashes involve two or more vehicles. Usually at least one party is at fault. Unless you can prove that person didn't stop in time to not hit the other person on purpose (which would be an assault type crime), then you have to conclude they did the action by accident.
 

Aiii

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I like how the author just assumes nobody takes responsibility when they make an error and just assumes they'll blame another.

It doesn't matter what you call them, nobody wants to have a crash, nobody intends to have a crash. shit just happens.
 
When I hear "car crash" I assume a really bad outcome like most "plane crashes", but a "car accident" can be a fender bender and using "crash" as an adjective would not make sense.

Which leads to the misinformation effect which is a big deal when witnesses are asked to answer certain questions. Based on the adjective, it could represent a leading question.

Hence why car accident is perfectly reasonable and we continue to use it as such.
 

ezrarh

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I like how the author just assumes nobody takes responsibility when they make an error and just assumes they'll blame another.

It doesn't matter what you call them, nobody wants to have a crash, nobody intends to have a crash. shit just happens.

Our car centric model for transport didn't "just happen".
 

iMax

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was about to make a hot fuzz reference, thank you

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If I drop a bowl of cereal after stubbing my toe, it was an accident, it could have been prevented, but so could all accidents pretty much, this is a crazy ass semantics argument.

Edit:as far as Jaywalking goes, cars got faster. If it's the middle of the night and I'm going 50 in a 50 and you decide to walk across the street with no reflectors it's a lot easier for you to be smart than it is me to almost get in an accident trying to avoid your stupid ass.
 

RiccochetJ

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When I went through some defensive driving courses, they would emphasize using the word "collision" instead of "accident." It's stuck with me even after all these years and it's actually interesting to see what choice of words a news outlet decides to use when reporting on crashes.
 

zulux21

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I really don't get this line
Of course, most car crashes aren't intentional. But using the word "accident" presupposes that they're not — and, more importantly, implies that nothing could have been done to prevent them.

how does it imply that nothing else could have been done to prevent them. Accident doesn't mean that it was an unavoidable event, it means it was something you didn't intend to do. if it was an unavoidable event we would call them fated crashes or inevitable crashes not car accidents.

I mean if a guy gets his wife unexpectedly pregnant you would call that an accidental pregnancy even though it could have been avoided.

if a cashier gave you to little or to much change you would call that an accident even though it could have been avoided.

I mean I get calling them accidents in general would imply that some aren't on purpose (even though some people do ram their cars into others on purpose) but I really don't remotely get how it implies the second half of that statement.

I mean beyond that I agree with what I see, they should just be car crashes/collisions in general, but man that faulty logic at the start really hurts me wanting to care about anything they say at all.
 
I can get behind that. Accident implies something out of the driver's control. But instead, it is generally some level of negligence or distraction, not paying attention, driving aggressively, not properly maintaining the car, etc.

Crash or incident is probably better.
 

Wolfe

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If I fall down the stairs, it's an accident. But I could have prevented the accident by not wearing socks that were slippery on the stairs.

But it's still an accident. I didn't intend to fall down the stairs. I might not have even grasp that wearing slippery socks on the stairs is dangerous.

I don't think the term "accident" means it couldn't have been prevented.

This, seriously, dunno why the author thinks accidents by nature can't be prevented cause they very well damn can.
 

Cels

Member
language certainly matters a lot.

if you're a defense attorney you will want to use the word "accident" but if you're the plaintiff you'll want to use "crash" or "collision"
 
Yeah, words are a powerful thing, and in this case, the term "accident" contributes to our society's sanitization of traffic deaths. It lends an air of "aw shucks, well, y'all be more careful next time!" to the fact that we're just fine, policy-wise, with all the fatalities that are the cost of our convenience.
 
This, seriously, dunno why the author thinks accidents by nature can't be prevented cause they very well damn can.
I think the logic is that by taking the responsibility of getting behind the wheel of a 1-2 ton vehicle, the driver should take into account all precautions everytime. Yeah very few people intend to crash their cars, but plenty more than likely don't truly take the precautions needed to stay as safe as possible.

For instance, the Firestone tire fiasco is reasonably an accident. It was an unforseen mechanical failure. Where someone having a blowout because they maintained improper tire pressure is a bit different.
 

Parch

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When working in military flight safety we didn't use the term "crash". It was an "accident" or a lesser severity "incident", whatever the cause factor.
 
I like how the author just assumes nobody takes responsibility when they make an error and just assumes they'll blame another.

It doesn't matter what you call them, nobody wants to have a crash, nobody intends to have a crash. shit just happens.

Which is exactly why the author thinks we should'nt call it an accident anymore. Shit doesn't 'just happen', especially when streets we all walk / bike / drive in are all designed around cars first and foremost and is designed for high speeds of car travel.
 

USC-fan

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This is just stupid.

When working in military flight safety we didn't use the term "crash". It was an "accident" or a lesser severity "incident", whatever the cause factor.
Yep.

I do insurance work everyday. Nothing is label "crash" or "wreck"
 
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