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[Eiknarf]

Can you say it in a way that doesn't use an analogy that makes it harder to understand?

As for Greta being annoying, meh, she's done a lot for drawing attention to something really important. I think she's very impressive.

Ok.
Just because a kid is yelling doesn't make them rational.

Just because the kid wants mommy and daddy to sell their home to pay for their college doesn't mean the parents don't love the kid

People in panic mode about global warming are not rational. We're literally doing the best we can. And better than any other country

 

[Eiknarf]

Isn't the USA, per capita, still one of the worst ranked nations in terms of CO2 emissions? You have to wonder how strong an argument it would be for a country that emits less CO2 than America (per capita) being told they need to make amends.

I think the power of the USA as a world leader shouldn't be undermined, as an exporter of culture, there's a lot to be said for America leading the way on many things and how beneficial that influence could be.

Nope. We are leading.

Aim all outrage at China and India - they literally do not care

At least America does. But you wouldn't know that based on all the self hate from the left

 

[Trunx81]

The heat is definitely part of the problem, but for the absence of doubt, I'm not talking about how hot the fire burns, I'm talking about how dry things are and how they burn easier. Like I said, arson is a distraction from this being a climate change issue.

Dry things still only start burning when they get ignited, it has nothing to do with "they burn more because of hot weather". Sorry to "argue" on that matter, but you are making it to easy with that for "deniers" to contradict one point and derail the whole discussion.

No rain + an ignition = Fire
Simple as that. We have wildfires in the winter as well.

 

[Punished Miku]

Nope. We are leading.

Aim all outrage at China and India - they literally do not care

At least America does. But you wouldn't know that based on all the self hate from the left

The issue is that the US is in a post-manufacturing economy in a very strong position. We burned coal nonstop, oil, cut down our forests and used whatever resources we wanted to pursue economic gain. It's not completely fair to get to the front position and to then close the door behind us and tell everyone they need to stop. A lot of emerging economies have argued they need to literally be paid, because dirty energy is cheaper and they are not able to play by the same rules the US did to get ahead. Brazil argues this when we ask them to not cut down the Amazon. They can make money doing that, or they can supply oxygen and decrease CO2 for the whole world. If they suspend economic development for everyone else's benefit, do they deserve compensation? Possibly.

Climate activists in the US don't really have any ability to lecture India and China. They can engage with the government in their own country though. That doesn't mean it's "self hate." Wanting your planet and your country to improve is the opposite of hate, and it's a cheap political stunt to try and and cover poor environmental policies in patriotism like the two things have anything to do with each other at all.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Nope. We are leading.

Aim all outrage at China and India - they literally do not care

At least America does. But you wouldn't know that based on all the self hate from the left

I think you might have misunderstood what I asked you, but what I was asking was per capita (per head) which countries are emitting the most CO2? And the answer is that the USA is putting out more CO2 per capita than China and India according to the information I have, I wondered if you had any other information.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Dry things still only start burning when they get ignited, it has nothing to do with "they burn more because of hot weather". Sorry to "argue" on that matter, but you are making it to easy with that for "deniers" to contradict one point and derail the whole discussion.

No rain + an ignition = Fire
Simple as that. We have wildfires in the winter as well.

What does hot dry weather do? Does it make things drier or does it make things wetter?

What burns easier? Dry things or wet things?

That's why the heat is significant, see? I'm not caught up on the cause of the fire starting, like you are, I'm explaining that if things weren't so hot and dry it wouldn't be so hard to put it out.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

We're literally doing the best we can. And better than any other country

 

[Trunx81]

What does hot dry weather do? Does it make things drier or does it make things wetter?

What burns easier? Dry things or wet things?

That´s a common misconception of the burning process. A dry sauna doesn´t stark burning by it´s own. You can have a dry forest for ages without any fire, until something sets it ablaze (e.g. lightning strikes, although this is uncommon). You NEED a source for ignition.

I think you might have misunderstood what I asked you, but what I was asking was per capita (per head) which countries are emitting the most CO2? And the answer is that the USA is putting out more CO2 per capita than China and India according to the information I have, I wondered if you had any other information.

You are right about the higher per capita in the US. The difference is though that in the US, it´s decreasing, while in China it´s increasing. What no one is taking into consideration here right now: China is producing FOR the west, every smartphone or microwave that you buy here had it´s footprint in China.

What I always miss in these kind of discussions is "how can we solve this?". There are actually many ways already: Nuclear power (promoted e.g. by Bill Gates and even Greta). Solar Powerplants in the deserts (Elon Musk once had a statement about how ONE plant could power the entire US).

The biggest issue of our energy problems isn´t even the manifacturing process - it´s the delivery. Mainly the energyroutes around the countries. Take Germany as an example: Bavaria has a high density of solar plants, but due to the old lines, many solar-producers have to turn off their systems because the grid can´t handle it. I´m not talking about smart metering or any other modern stuff- there are cables in Germany from the 1920s, still active. Investing into this infrastructure would cost billions, but it would be one of many solutions that we could implement asap.

 

[Eiknarf]

The issue is that the US is in a post-manufacturing economy in a very strong position. We burned coal nonstop, oil, cut down our forests and used whatever resources we wanted to pursue economic gain. It's not completely fair to get to the front position and to then close the door behind us and tell everyone they need to stop. A lot of emerging economies have argued they need to literally be paid, because dirty energy is cheaper and they are not able to play by the same rules the US did to get ahead. Brazil argues this when we ask them to not cut down the Amazon. They can make money doing that, or they can supply oxygen and decrease CO2 for the whole world. If they suspend economic development for everyone else's benefit, do they deserve compensation? Possibly.

Climate activists in the US don't really have any ability to lecture India and China. They can engage with the government in their own country though. That doesn't mean it's "self hate." Wanting your planet and your country to improve is the opposite of hate, and it's a cheap political stunt to try and and cover poor environmental policies in patriotism like the two things have anything to do with each other at all.

Good points - good points

For what I hear Americans yelling about: "YOUR FOOTPRINT!" That's not easy

i guarantee you that anyone complaining about others footprint is not putting in a fraction of the necessary life changing required to be serious.

And that's fine. We have 8 billion people on the planet. The .01 percent of people capable of making these changes won't change anything.

If the USA came to an end tomorrow it won't change anything because we only make up 5% of the population

The ONLY way we solve this is through technology.
It seems people don't wanna hear that.

 

[Punished Miku]

The ONLY way we solve this is through technology.
It seems people don't wanna hear that.

That's the easiest thing to hear though, because it means we don't really have to do anything. Just chill and wait for someone to invent a miracle solution.

I've accepted that most people are seemingly incapable of seeing a threat and reacting to it until it is in their face and likely too late. Whether or not a miracle solution ever materializes is a huge question mark at this point. Whether or not it would even get implemented if it exists is another huge question mark. We already have solutions to a lot of issues, so technology isn't the main thing holding it up. It's ideology, political will, and economic incentive.

 

[Trunx81]

The ONLY way we solve this is through technology.
It seems people don't wanna hear that.

This. Saw a documention on Netflix a few years ago, a scientist drove through LA and stated "If you just replaced every window in the LA scyscrapers with solar-enabled windows, you could power the whole city". The technology exists already, it´s just expensive because there´s no mass adoption of it. Produce solar windows in mass: Prices go down, more people invest into it. Heck, make solar windows a must for new buildings everywhere. (which brings us to the grid-problem I mentioned earlier)

Media and activists always claim "You as a single person have to move", because they are easier to target. Here in Mexico, Greenpeace is protesting against a TRAIN that can reduce the carbon footprint of the whole Yucatan peninsula, because they have to tear down parts of the rain forest for that. On the other hand you have big real estate companies destroying the flora to build luxury appartmens for rich Americans and no one bats an eye.

 

[Punished Miku]

This. Saw a documention on Netflix a few years ago, a scientist drove through LA and stated "If you just replaced every window in the LA scyscrapers with solar-enabled windows, you could power the whole city". The technology exists already, it´s just expensive because there´s no mass adoption of it. Produce solar windows in mass: Prices go down, more people invest into it. Heck, make solar windows a must for new buildings everywhere. (which brings us to the grid-problem I mentioned earlier)

Media and activists always claim "You as a single person have to move", because they are easier to target. Here in Mexico, Greenpeace is protesting against a TRAIN that can reduce the carbon footprint of the whole Yucatan peninsula, because they have to tear down parts of the rain forest for that. On the other hand you have big real estate companies destroying the flora to build luxury appartmens for rich Americans and no one bats an eye.

And now we tread into territory we're not allowed to talk about. But we do have a party that tried recently to launch a large infrastructure spending plan including many climate driven investments like insulation and other marginal improvements like you suggest. And we have another party that claims we should do nothing. I don't know if either side is driven by "self-hate," but one side sure seems bent on self-destruction. You would think people would be in favor of doing something marginal if they're serious about anything.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

That´s a common misconception of the burning process. A dry sauna doesn´t stark burning by it´s own. You can have a dry forest for ages without any fire, until something sets it ablaze (e.g. lightning strikes, although this is uncommon). You NEED a source for ignition.

At no point have I said that the fire starts on it's own. Where have I talked about the way the fires start? I've repeatedly said that the way the fires start isn't the significant part of the problem, it's the difficulty in putting it out, even in the post you quoted!

 

[Trunx81]

At no point have I said that the fire starts on it's own. Where have I talked about the way the fires start? I've repeatedly said that the way the fires start isn't the significant part of the problem, it's the difficulty in putting it out, even in the post you quoted!

ok, a missunderstanding then But then we are back to the point of fire-management and monocultures And you talked about the way fires start because you kept saying "don´t mention arson!"

 

[March Climber]

We're literally doing the best we can.

 

[Happosai]

This. Saw a documention on Netflix a few years ago, a scientist drove through LA and stated "If you just replaced every window in the LA scyscrapers with solar-enabled windows, you could power the whole city". The technology exists already, it´s just expensive because there´s no mass adoption of it. Produce solar windows in mass: Prices go down, more people invest into it. Heck, make solar windows a must for new buildings everywhere. (which brings us to the grid-problem I mentioned earlier)

Media and activists always claim "You as a single person have to move", because they are easier to target. Here in Mexico, Greenpeace is protesting against a TRAIN that can reduce the carbon footprint of the whole Yucatan peninsula, because they have to tear down parts of the rain forest for that. On the other hand you have big real estate companies destroying the flora to build luxury appartmens for rich Americans and no one bats an eye.

Moved to Mexico 7-years ago and I'm surprised the activists aren't pointing fingers at the insane pollution in larger cities here for a metric. There's know way any country in North America has the amount of unregulated CO and CO2 emissions than Mexico. But it's all the fault of the countries attempting margin, but still, changes like the U.S.

For instance, CFE (Mexico's monopolized electricty provider) only allows solar cell water heaters to substitute aged LP gas cylinders for water heating. You actually can power a whole city here with a solar plant...but CFE starts charging home owners / business owners double if you dare consider cleaner energy. Therefore, I've seen less-than .01% of any given residence attempt to power solar.

EVs are also taboo and only sold retail by luxury manufacterers because Pemex wants to make it nearly impossible for Mexicans to stop buying cheap gas powered cars. The less than 1% charge stations here (which are usually in luxurious business districts) are Tesla. Pemex will seemingly never allow the country to rid itself of the large, 20+ year old gas or diesel vehicles. Smog was so bad last Spring, you can't even see the mountains bordering my city.

The topic really should point fingers at the countries which refuse alternative energy and have no eco policies active within their corrupt developing ecostructures.

 

[BlackTron]

Has Florida ever been OK?

 

[Trunx81]

Moved to Mexico 7-years ago and I'm surprised the activists aren't pointing fingers at the insane pollution in larger cities here for a metric. There's know way any country in North America has the amount of unregulated CO and CO2 emissions than Mexico. But it's all the fault of the countries attempting margin, but still, changes like the U.S.

For instance, CFE (Mexico's monopolized electricty provider) only allows solar cell water heaters to substitute aged LP gas cylinders for water heating. You actually can power a whole city here with a solar plant...but CFE starts charging home owners / business owners double if you dare consider cleaner energy. Therefore, I've seen less-than .01% of any given residence attempt to power solar.

EVs are also taboo and only sold retail by luxury manufacterers because Pemex wants to make it nearly impossible for Mexicans to stop buying cheap gas powered cars. The less than 1% charge stations here (which are usually in luxurious business districts) are Tesla. Pemex will seemingly never allow the country to rid itself of the large, 20+ year old gas or diesel vehicles. Smog was so bad last Spring, you can't even see the mountains bordering my city.

The topic really should point fingers at the countries which refuse alternative energy and have no eco policies active within their corrupt developing ecostructures.

Seems like you´re living in the DF.
Here in Yucatan, you see solar panels left and right, as the prices for energy are so damn high. We have solar on our house and still payed 329 dollars for two months during the last heatwave.

And don´t get me started on those damn water boilers .. Had to replace mine with an electric one last year, as it just started to burn.

I´ve seen some few Tesla, but gas is a lot cheaper and the cars that drive around are just insane by western standards. My own car had its catalyst taken out years ago.

I don´t see any way 2nd and 3rd world countries contributing to global "de-warming" any time soon.

 

[Happosai]

Seems like you´re living in the DF.
Here in Yucatan, you see solar panels left and right, as the prices for energy are so damn high. We have solar on our house and still payed 329 dollars for two months during the last heatwave.

And don´t get me started on those damn water boilers .. Had to replace mine with an electric one last year, as it just started to burn.

I´ve seen some few Tesla, but gas is a lot cheaper and the cars that drive around are just insane by western standards. My own car had its catalyst taken out years ago.

I don´t see any way 2nd and 3rd world countries contributing to global "de-warming" any time soon.

I'm the next larger city down the highway from DF. I work remote and just watched some guy rev engine on a 1994 Ford Ranger and leave in a plume of smoke. I'm not sure if you also have the 70's VW combis bleeding carbon into every local street attempting to sell 'cheap foods, sweet breads or ice cream.' I live on a nice street but the place smells like a dirty petrol fart after those run through. Event center behind my house refuses to pay electricity for high energy parties. Their energy solution? Running hug 'Mack-sized' diesel porta-generator trucks non-stop for 10-hours. Just painting a picture of what I see within my neighborhood alone.

The solar is available but CFE insists that they provide the grid and charge 3rd party installers a greater commission likewise.

We don't see many EVs outside Tesla, Smart or more recently Renault because they're so bloody expensive here. For instance, Peugeot has their 'Partner' work van for about 30K USD/500KMXN. The e-Partner by Peugeot I saw going for ~45KUSD/750KMXN. People here can't afford that.

The corrupt and incompetent infrastructures the way they are in developing & 3rd world countries will likely never make a minimal (if any) effort to implement clean energy.

 

[Rentahamster]

Good points - good points

For what I hear Americans yelling about: "YOUR FOOTPRINT!" That's not easy

i guarantee you that anyone complaining about others footprint is not putting in a fraction of the necessary life changing required to be serious.

And that's fine. We have 8 billion people on the planet. The .01 percent of people capable of making these changes won't change anything.

If the USA came to an end tomorrow it won't change anything because we only make up 5% of the population

The ONLY way we solve this is through technology.
It seems people don't wanna hear that.

Does this mean you've accepted the premise that humans are a significant driver of global warming?

 

[Eiknarf]

Does this mean you've accepted the premise that humans are a significant driver of global warming?

I'll say half.

I admit that it is crazy that this planet went from 1.9 billion people in 1923 to 7.9 billion today…. In just 100 years!! That's Lucifer numbers!! So that had to have an impact.

But I don't wanna downplay all the historical evidence that demonstrates that natural forces also drove climate change. There are certainly periods of hotter times and periods of cooler times throughout the earth's life.

So both. Can we be happy with that?

I just don't like that the left likes to try to put restraints on our prosperity, because the policies proposed by the left to combat climate change are garbage. Socialism will not change the climate!!!

 

[Rentahamster]

I'll say half.

I admit that it is crazy that this planet went from 1.9 billion people in 1923 to 7.9 billion today…. In just 100 years!! That's Lucifer numbers!! So that had to have an impact.

But I don't wanna downplay all the historical evidence that demonstrates that natural forces also drove climate change. There are certainly periods of hotter times and periods of cooler times throughout the earth's life.

So both. Can we be happy with that?

Half? That means you do accept the premise. I'm not downplaying the evidence that natural forces also contribute to climate change. I even stated in my previous posts that they do. The point is, that there is ample evidence that demonstrates human activity is causing a much larger change than what otherwise might be observed if we only considered natural effects. Yes, there have been hotter times and cooler times in the past, but that is on the timescale of thousands of years, where the change we're seeing here is on the timescale of decades. That is a problem.

If you're referencing the Medieval Warming Period in more recent history, there are reasons why it can't be used as definitive proof that climate change isn't a problem. This short video explains why.

I just don't like that the left likes to try to put restraints on our prosperity, because the policies proposed by the left to combat climate change are garbage. Socialism will not change the climate!!!

Don't let a tribal political worldview put blinders on you. You haven't talked specifics at all. You've only made mention of some amorphous ambiguous political faction with throwaway labels that don't mean anything to anyone outside of your political tribe. Throw the politics in the fucking trash can. Look at the individual facts and evaluate them on their merits and not on whether or not people I like or dislike also agree or not.

 

[FunkMiller]

I just don't like that the left likes to try to put restraints on our prosperity, because the policies proposed by the left to combat climate change are garbage. Socialism will not change the climate!!!

Socialism strangles innovation and invention at birth. It's antithetical to the solutions that we need. Mind you, late stage capitalism is just as poisonous to solving the issues we have with climate.

As is usual with most things, the balanced, centrist liberal ideology is where invention, science and innovation flourish best. A combination of ethical investment in climate change reducing technologies, and a good understanding the needs of our society in terms of human quality of life and prosperity, is what would lead to solutions.

Though whether we ever reach that kind of positive equilibrium is in a high degree of doubt. We could just as easily fuck ourselves into the ground over political bullshit, greed, and sheer laziness.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

But I don't wanna downplay all the historical evidence that demonstrates that natural forces also drove climate change. There are certainly periods of hotter times and periods of cooler times throughout the earth's life.

So both. Can we be happy with that?

Why? Why is that important to you?

All I see there is someone downplaying a problem.

"Sure, babies crying is annoying, but have we considered that they cry sometimes whether they're been punched or not? I'm just saying that punching might not be the whole story here. The baby probably would have cried anyway, no way to tell. Maybe a bit of this maybe a bit of that"

 

[cash_longfellow]

for everyone else that's about 38C

we're fucked. just remember this is the coolest summer you'll have for the rest of your life! next year is most likely going to be even worse.

earth will sort itself out in time but i don't see how humans are going to survive this shit. imagine what it'll be like in 5-10 years from now nevermind 20, 30, 50, 100 years.

It's called adaptation…and it's literally been going on since the beginning of humans.

 

[Tumle]

It's called adaptation…and it's literally been going on since the beginning of humans.

Or extinction… it's literally been going on since the beginning of life on this planet.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Or extinction… it's literally been going on since the beginning of life on this planet.

I was unaware that populations ballooned during extinction. Or do you mean we are moving toward extinction? If so, of course we are. We are moving toward an end, it's impossible to move toward the beginning that already happened….at least so far.

 

[delirium trigger]

This. Saw a documention on Netflix a few years ago, a scientist drove through LA and stated "If you just replaced every window in the LA scyscrapers with solar-enabled windows, you could power the whole city". The technology exists already, it´s just expensive because there´s no mass adoption of it. Produce solar windows in mass: Prices go down, more people invest into it. Heck, make solar windows a must for new buildings everywhere. (which brings us to the grid-problem I mentioned earlier)

Media and activists always claim "You as a single person have to move", because they are easier to target. Here in Mexico, Greenpeace is protesting against a TRAIN that can reduce the carbon footprint of the whole Yucatan peninsula, because they have to tear down parts of the rain forest for that. On the other hand you have big real estate companies destroying the flora to build luxury appartmens for rich Americans and no one bats an eye.

The US government's been putting in solar panels since at least the Obama administration. Chances are there's been individuals walking around your neighborhood for years offering free solar panels. My dad had them put on his house and they barely made a dent in the energy bill. It's mostly for show.

The truth is, the science will catch up. Believe it or not, it's not gonna be some lunatic politician or activist that actually makes the difference.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

TRAIN that can reduce the carbon footprint of the whole Yucatan peninsula, because they have to tear down parts of the rain forest for that.

It does sound quite bad though?

"A new 1,500 km high-speed train line will ferry tourists from beach resorts on the Caribbean coast to archaeological sites inland"

"The railway line threatens to cut through biosphere reserves of the Selva Maya, home of the jaguar, tapir and howler monkey. These species need large contiguous forest areas to be able to move, feed and reproduce, and the construction of a few tunnels and bridges will not be enough to allow the wildlife to migrate."

 

[Toons]

Half? That means you do accept the premise. I'm not downplaying the evidence that natural forces also contribute to climate change. I even stated in my previous posts that they do. The point is, that there is ample evidence that demonstrates human activity is causing a much larger change than what otherwise might be observed if we only considered natural effects. Yes, there have been hotter times and cooler times in the past, but that is on the timescale of thousands of years, where the change we're seeing here is on the timescale of decades. That is a problem.

If you're referencing the Medieval Warming Period in more recent history, there are reasons why it can't be used as definitive proof that climate change isn't a problem. This short video explains why.





Don't let a tribal political worldview put blinders on you. You haven't talked specifics at all. You've only made mention of some amorphous ambiguous political faction with throwaway labels that don't mean anything to anyone outside of your political tribe. Throw the politics in the fucking trash can. Look at the individual facts and evaluate them on their merits and not on whether or not people I like or dislike also agree or not.

Such a well made post.

This topic is NOT a political issue, it has been retrofitted as one in order to generate income and votes for politicians, but all of that is BS.

This is an issue that affects everyone, every man woman and child and animal and bird and tree on this planet. Nothing to do with right or left. And it is very, very real and we have to work collectively towards regulating it.

 

[Toons]

It does sound quite bad though?

"A new 1,500 km high-speed train line will ferry tourists from beach resorts on the Caribbean coast to archaeological sites inland"

"The railway line threatens to cut through biosphere reserves of the Selva Maya, home of the jaguar, tapir and howler monkey. These species need large contiguous forest areas to be able to move, feed and reproduce, and the construction of a few tunnels and bridges will not be enough to allow the wildlife to migrate."

This is where technological advancement for convenience becomes an ethical issue. How much convenience is worth the unknown long lasting affects on the natural life of the habitat as a result of it? Is it necessary for this to be implemented and does the benefit it brings outweigh the costs?

 

[TylerD]

The US government's been putting in solar panels since at least the Obama administration. Chances are there's been individuals walking around your neighborhood for years offering free solar panels. My dad had them put on his house and they barely made a dent in the energy bill. It's mostly for show.

The truth is, the science will catch up. Believe it or not, it's not gonna be some lunatic politician or activist that actually makes the difference.

TIL that my 6kwh solar system that has been replacing around 75% of my electricity needs since 02/2020 and wipes out the electric portion on my utility bill for 7 to 8 months of the year is mostly for show.

 

[FunkMiller]

TIL that my 6kwh solar system that has been replacing around 75% of my electricity needs since 02/2020 and wipes out the electric portion on my utility bill for 7 to 8 months of the year is mostly for show.

Yeah... there's not many people in Australia with solar panels who think it's just for show. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a prevalence of them, especially in the sunnier territories. They have a marked impact on electricity bills.

 

[Rentahamster]

A good short video on a factor that could explain the recent increase in the Atlantic - cargo ships were causing a kind of pollution that formed clouds so that less sunlight was hitting the ocean. Now, combating global warming by using a different kind of pollution isn't exactly a great solution here, but the data can be used to form a geo-engineering solution that doesn't require more pollution. Clouds can be seeded with just plain salt, for example.

 

[Eiknarf]

So when we read about those Canadian fires, California fires, or even these new Maui fires, what's usually the cause?
Lightning?
Arson/man?
A spark from a man made machine?
Other?

We know the sun or heat doesn't just set trees or even leaves on fire. That was established a few pages back.

Wood burns at 400c, so it needs an ignition.

So what's usually the cause - cuz if you turn on CNN or AOC you'd think the woods just burst into flames due to the sun, even though fires have been happening and have even been beneficial to the ground (not people or businesses) for centuries

 

[DeepEnigma]

So when we read about those Canadian fires, California fires, or even these new Maui fires, what's usually the cause?
Lightning?
Arson/man?
A spark from a man made machine?
Other?

We know the sun or heat doesn't just set trees or even leaves on fire. That was established a few pages back.

Wood burns at 400c, so it needs an ignition.

So what's usually the cause - cuz if you turn on CNN or AOC you'd think the woods just burst into flames due to the sun, even though fires have been happening and have even been beneficial to the ground (not people or businesses) for centuries

Cutting back on the proper maintenance to help mitigate these instances is a huge one, me thinks.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Shit, I'd rather be in Florida at this point I think.

Because where I live it's about 120° fahrenheit.

 

[Rentahamster]

"Keep in mind that the observations in Manatee Bay are in shallow water in a closed-off cove with dark seagrass on the bottom," Zierden said. "I would not consider them a "sea surface temperature," as that implies open ocean."

Drilling down on 101-degree water temperature recording near the Florida Keys. What we know

The 101.1-degree water temperature recorded at Manatee Bay on July 24 wasn't a record for that site. The record was set in 2017.

www.news-press.com

With that in mind, also keep in mind that there are a lot of living things that are very important to the ecosystem's balance that live within a 5 foot zone. Like corals.

Here is just one diver's account, and he has a reef aquarium at home so he knows what healthy coral is supposed to look like.

I know this isn't directly related to a "reef aquarium" but at the end of the day, it really is essential for people to see. Back in July the keys had record water temps (up to 100 degrees in some places) and the result was death and destruction to reefs that have stood for 300,000 years. I've now seen it with my own eyes. They've been on the decline for 40 years now, but this was likely the final nail in the coffin. We dove Sombrero Reef off Marathon yesterday (and others even closer to shore) and I documented some of it in the pictures I posted here. It's truly a defeating scene. Like an aquarium where a heater malfunctioned and boiled everything to death. While some sea fans and gorgonians are hanging on to life, any and all stony coral is dead or severely bleached.

We as reef keepers strive to give the best environment we can to our animals and preserve life. But what happens when the actual ocean isn't even good enough anymore? Perhaps our aquariums are the last bastion of hope for the worlds dying reefs.

 

[NeoGiffer]

Buoy oh Buoy.

 

[Dice]