Wildebeest
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Eiknarf
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People laugh, but one of the number one things that causes warming is sun spots
Sound scientific data and consistent historical evidence clearly demonstrate that natural forces drive climate change. Any and every change in climate through our planet’s history has been due to natural events:
Sunspots, volcanoes, Earth’s tilt, and orbital motion have triggered the transitions from ice ages to warmer periods for thousands of years.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Sorry but it looks like you've fallen for a load of crap that a climate change denier made up. NASA reckons that's bullshit.
Is the Sun causing global warming? - NASA Science
No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and...
climate.nasa.gov
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badblue
Gold Member
I think the issue is that all the people at the top don't want to give up anything that would impact the quality of their lives (or the shareholder's) They own everything that make's the stuff that we complain about being a problem. We can't buy it to throw it away, if they don't make it to begin with.
And most people on the consumer level don't want that either. Good forbid someone not be able to get Organic Banana's year 'round for the greater good.
Maybe I'm just overly cynical these days but that's the way it feels.
Eiknarf
Banned
Sorry but it looks like you've fallen for a load of crap that a climate change denier made up. NASA reckons that's bullshit.
Is the Sun causing global warming? - NASA Science
No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and...
Wrong again
The ever-changing sun activity, volcanic activity, and the varying angle of the earth all affect the planet’s climate.
The activity from the sun affects the radiation, infrared light, ultraviolet light, and visible light reaching earth.
High and low periods of sunspot activity deliver a change in sunlight to the top of our atmosphere which affects our climate.
How sunlight interacts with volcanic material also plays a part in our climate. Volcanic eruptions contribute to both cooling and warming of the earth’s atmosphere. Volcanoes release different amounts of sulfur oxide, sulfur dioxide, gases, dust, water, and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, all which affect the climate during and after an eruption as our planet travels in orbit.
And of course the angle of our planet in said orbit is never constant. It can range from a 24° angle to a 22.5° angle. That tilt affects earth’s climate. It’s plain to see that as earth’s surroundings have varied, our climate patterns have varied.
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
Eiknarf
Banned
There is no proof that any current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from human activity.
We have to remember that global warming is only a prediction based on assumptions of future CO2 theories! Prediction/Assumption/Theory! That’s a guess on top of a guess on top of a guess!
We already know a number of Ice Ages came and went long before humans were using hairspray, driving gas guzzlers, or burning coal to generate electricity. The majority of people who warn of global warming today can’t seem to make up their mind, either. In 1978, teachers handed out news article stating the planet was in jeopardy of global cooling!
belmarduk
Member
Pretty much anywhere in Florida is affected by hurricanes.. I live in Orlando, which is about as inland as you can get here and we definitely aren't safe. Definitely going to get a generator.
Did you learn to bold a bunch of random words from truther conspiracy blogs?
Eiknarf
Banned
It’s funny how you could admit that every year we go through cycles of a warm and cold.. It’s called seasons.
And we all learned our whole life that the Earth is cyclical : we go through warmer times and colder times. The Earth and its cycles are …. TADA: cyclical.
But no, no, no, now it’s our fault.
Meicyn
Gold Member
lmao
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Deleted member 1159
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- Sunspots as the number one cause of warming: While it's true that variations in solar energy, such as those associated with sunspots, can influence our planet's climate, the level of influence they have in comparison to human activities is minimal. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) states that changes in solar irradiance have contributed only a small fraction to global warming compared to anthropogenic (human-caused) greenhouse gases. Furthermore, sunspot activity follows an 11-year cycle, whereas the trend of global warming shows a consistent rise over many decades.
- Natural forces vs. human activity: The Earth's climate has indeed changed in the past due to natural events such as volcanic eruptions, shifts in the Earth's orbit, and changes in the Sun's intensity. However, these changes occurred over geological timescales of hundreds of thousands to millions of years. The rapid warming we've observed in the past century is inconsistent with the rates of natural climate variability in the past.
- Sunlight, volcanic activity, and Earth's tilt: While these factors do play a role in climate change, their impact is either less direct or slower than that of greenhouse gases. Volcanic activity can lead to a short-term cooling effect, but it's temporary and much smaller in magnitude than the warming effects of CO2. The changes in Earth's tilt and orbit (known as Milankovitch cycles) happen over tens of thousands of years and thus can't explain the rapid warming seen in recent decades.
- Absence of proof for human-caused warming: Multiple lines of empirical evidence support the fact that human activity is the dominant cause of recent warming. These include the correlation between the rise of greenhouse gases and global temperature, the observed pattern of warming (more at night, in winter, and towards the poles), the decline of Arctic sea ice, and the rise of sea levels. Climate models also project future warming in line with greenhouse gas concentrations, and these projections have been largely accurate so far.
- Global warming is only a prediction: While it's true that there are uncertainties in projecting future climate, the underlying physical principles are well-understood. We know with high certainty that adding CO2 to the atmosphere warms the planet, based on basic physics and many lines of empirical evidence. The primary uncertainties are about how much warming we'll get, depending on how much CO2 we continue to emit and how the climate system will respond.
- Ice Ages and human activity: Yes, ice ages and warm periods have occurred in the Earth's past due to natural cycles. However, these changes took place over thousands to millions of years, whereas current warming is happening over just a few decades. Moreover, the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere is the highest it's been in at least 800,000 years, well beyond the range of what occurred naturally during ice ages and warm periods.
- Global cooling in the 1970s: The notion that scientists predicted an impending ice age in the 1970s is a myth. A few popular press articles did discuss global cooling, but the majority of scientific studies were focused on the warming effect of CO2. Even in the 1970s, the prevailing view among scientists was that increasing greenhouse gases would lead to global warming.
- Seasons and cyclical climate change: Yes, the Earth's climate is cyclical due to natural phenomena like orbital shifts, solar variability, and volcanic activity. However, these cycles occur over very long timescales and don't explain the rapid warming we've observed in recent decades. Additionally, the seasonal cycle is a redistribution of heat between the northern and southern hemispheres, not a change in the global average temperature.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Is the Sun causing global warming? - NASA Science
No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and...
climate.nasa.gov
delirium trigger
Member
I love listening to the people act like their kids gonna die from global warming.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
While in the past there was more theory than fact, as the years go by we are gaining more and more evidence that yes, the theorists were (mostly) right, and that in addition to natural processes, humans are also drivers of global warming and all the other problems that arise from it.
What Is the Evidence for Human-Caused Climate Change?
Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. Multiple studies show that 97 percent or more of climate scientists agree.
scienceexchange.caltech.edu
violence
Member
Anyone got any good talks from a climate change deniers point of view? I remember watching a speech along time ago on YouTube with a guy that mentioned ~1933 as the hottest year on record and that happened before the 1945 increase in carbon emissions.
He also said the data people like to use is “homogenized” with junk data and there’s no reason to use anything other than the pure data.
He also said the data people like to use is “homogenized” with junk data and there’s no reason to use anything other than the pure data.
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I just got off the golf course in south florida and it was like 82 degrees. I think Greta's gonna make it.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
True, I remember watching that one back in the day and being swayed towards that side because when I was younger I didn't really have as many tools to practice proper skepticism and sort out reasonable arguments from bullshit ones. Watching this now, with a couple more decades of gathered facts and with the benefit of hindsight, it's a lot more clear that these talking points were never gonna work.
you motherfucker lol
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Deleted member 1159
Unconfirmed Member
My region just went through one of the coldest and snowiest winters on record. Does that negate the fact June was the hottest June on record and July will be the hottest month on record ever? A couple years ago the view outside my house looked like Blade Runner for a week. I mean, as soon as we set a record, we smash right through it the next year or two. I'm glad you had a pleasant day on the golf course, that doesn't mean every thermometer in the rest of the world is wrong.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Maybe because people already are.
Global Study Evaluates Heat-Related Deaths Associated with Climate Change
NIEHS-funded study finds that a third of heat-related deaths between 1991 and 2018 can be attributed to increasingly severe temperatures associated with human-induced climate change.
www.niehs.nih.gov
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Deleted member 1159
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Maybe because people already are.
Global Study Evaluates Heat-Related Deaths Associated with Climate Change
NIEHS-funded study finds that a third of heat-related deaths between 1991 and 2018 can be attributed to increasingly severe temperatures associated with human-induced climate change.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Yeah, everyone's laughing their heads off.
Trunx81
Member
"Keep in mind that the observations in Manatee Bay are in shallow water in a closed-off cove with dark seagrass on the bottom," Zierden said. "I would not consider them a "sea surface temperature," as that implies open ocean."
Drilling down on 101-degree water temperature recording near the Florida Keys. What we know
The 101.1-degree water temperature recorded at Manatee Bay on July 24 wasn't a record for that site. The record was set in 2017.
www.news-press.com
At least climate change was so nice to wait until Covid was over. Very convenient. Next: Aliens. Bring it on!
Meicyn
Gold Member
Cool, now do Phoenix, El Paso, Salt Lake City, Portland, Billings, St Louis, Fargo, and Cincinnati.
"Keep in mind that the observations in Manatee Bay are in shallow water in a closed-off cove with dark seagrass on the bottom," Zierden said. "I would not consider them a "sea surface temperature," as that implies open ocean."
Drilling down on 101-degree water temperature recording near the Florida Keys. What we know
The 101.1-degree water temperature recorded at Manatee Bay on July 24 wasn't a record for that site. The record was set in 2017.www.news-press.com
At least climate change was so nice to wait until Covid was over. Very convenient. Next: Aliens. Bring it on!
Trunx81
Member
I rather do Berlin, it´s fckng cold right now in Germany.
Meicyn
Gold Member
And it’s record breaking hot where I am, with the heat index aiming for around 45.6 degrees celcius tomorrow.
Anecdotes are very cool.
Trunx81
Member
I know, right? That’s why we measure climate change in a period of 30 years and not in one month.
Johnny2Bad
Member
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I wouldn't describe myself as a doomer per se, but I wouldn't want billions of our fellow humans to be purged. I want billions more to exist and thrive on Earth and throughout the rest of the solar system too.
I don't want to go back to pre-industrial society. I want to advance the tech tree to the point where we can generate energy without polluting the planet and also deploy measures that scrub carbon from the atmosphere and filter out pollutants from the environment.
Eiknarf
Banned
When we look back through earth’s history, do we see evidence of climate change? Of course we do; that is not in question. The evidence clearly shows that man is not the cause; rather, there are natural processes that result in warming and cooling patterns over time.
Let us use our knowledge and common sense to be good stewards of our world. Does this mean humans can be reckless in our use of technology? No! We should obviously contain pollution. Should we poison the streams with chemical waste? No! We should obviously respect nature. That doesn’t mean we have to put restraints on our prosperity or make plants and animals more valuable and important than humans.
We should not be manipulated by guilt-ridden rhetoric or false notions that we are killing the planet and driving up the temperature!
Let us use our knowledge and common sense to be good stewards of our world. Does this mean humans can be reckless in our use of technology? No! We should obviously contain pollution. Should we poison the streams with chemical waste? No! We should obviously respect nature. That doesn’t mean we have to put restraints on our prosperity or make plants and animals more valuable and important than humans.
We should not be manipulated by guilt-ridden rhetoric or false notions that we are killing the planet and driving up the temperature!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I showed you research that suggests mankind is a significant driver, and that the changes happening to the climate are far faster than what would be expected under purely natural processes without human influence. If you have evidence that clearly shows that man is not the cause, then present it.
First of all, there are reasonable solutions to climate change that don't necessarily put restraints on prosperity or make plants and animals more valuable or important than humans. That is a strawman argument. Second of all, I don't think maintaining a system that is slowly turning our planet more and more inhospitable to humans is a "human valuing" system.
FunkMiller
Member
For the love of god, get off social media and read some proper, actual scientific evidence made by proper actual scientists. Stop getting your information second hand, and go straight to the source. You can do this, but it takes a little effort and a little diligence.
But the question you should always ask yourself is where does this information come from? Can I trust the source? What are the qualifications for this person to speak on this subject? What other sources should I be looking into, to ensure I am getting accurate information?
If you do all this you will find that the evidence for man made climate change is extremely compelling - and comes from people who actually know what they are talking about, and are not laymen like all of us. And the weight of the evidence grows all of the time. It’s not nice. It’s not positive. But it is also true.
Hydrogen fuses into helium, man made climate change is real, and social media isn’t the place to get your information.
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Sakura
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Of course climate change can be, and has been, caused by natural processes. But what exactly does that have to do with the current climate change?
No natural process causes climate change to happen as fast as it currently is, except for maybe a super volcano eruption or something, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened here.
The Pleasure
Member
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
It's quite interesting to think about the effect of these sorts of quotes.
Like, balance is really important, panic isn't good, and being able to be act sensibly is the most desirable outcome.
So, I can understand why a journalist might go to an expert and say "this is the report, how do you interpret it?" And the expert is of course duty bound to say "well, these are reasons why the report may be less sensationalistic than might initially appear."
But, the takeaway shouldn't really be "So don't worry about it at all" because we are seeing plenty of other significant and obvious problems with earth's climate. Things like "Hottest July on record" shouldn't really be attempted to be balanced out by "raining in Sheffield though, lol" etc.
The alarm bells are ringing all over the world, just because it's slightly less loud than it initially seems in one place or because there's no alarm where you are today, doesn't mean that we should carry on regardless. Doesn't mean that we should disregard the repeated and insistent warnings of people who spend their lives studying this stuff.
FunkMiller
Member
The mind-bending stupidity of "but the weather is fine where I am, so it all must be a hoax" is right up there with "the earth must be flat, because my garden is".
Trunx81
Member
That´s actually exactly whats bothering me. We see panic-news left and right. Take the wildfires for example. They are caused in over 95% by humans and we know that drought and not heat encourage them. But the news keep saying "the heat is causing the fires!!!", which is just wrong.
The other thing is that normal people like you and I are already reducing their CO2 footprint, I just saw a statistic from official sources in Germany that most of the CO2 reduction in the last years came from private housholds, while the industry is trying everything to counter that. But the media calls for "WE NEED A CO2 BUDGET for everyone!". Politics are just afraid to go against bigger companies.
In a nutshell: The problem is more complex than you can show in a clickbait article. Panic-headlines generate more traffic but are easy to attack by "deniers", therefore damaging the whole discussion. We need more reasoning.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
The declaration that wildfires have been started by people, isn't particularly relevant. The reason that the wildfires are such a problem is because they are so difficult to put out - that's the problem. Because of the heat drying the area out and the absence of rain, when a fire starts (by any means) the fires rage out of control and cannot be put out. That is why this is a climate change problem. Those who want to say that we don't have a climate change problem are the ones pushing the arson angle as a reason not to worry. It's fairly similar to what I'm about to say below.
I agree with you on how our personal impact/footprint affects things has been disingenuously promoted. Decades ago when everyone knew we had a building problem, we were told to turn off unnecessary lights, recycle. That became eat less meat and pay to offset carbon, when flying etc. But that's a distraction from giving polluting companies carte blanche to continue business as usual.
All of those things don't touch the sides when we look at the bigger picture.
We've been continually lied to about how bad climate change is, how quickly things can change, and the people who've been telling us that we've got a big problem on our hands have been ignored by the media and not given publicity and that's been going on for decades. Hopefully things are changing.
EDIT: Edited for clarity.
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Eiknarf
Banned
Exactly
And the USA already leads in reducing CO2 emissions. So people in America need to get off their high horse and stop yelling at us/ourselves. Go to another country, climb onto your pedestal and yell at other countries!!
Plus the US makes up only 5% of the population- I’d hate to say it, but, we aren’t gonna make much of a difference. Go talk to China and India when ya get a chance
“MaKe sUre tO uSe paPer StRaws”
Ummmm… with 18,000,000,000,000 pounds of trash found in the ocean, the amount that were plastic straws was only 4 pounds
Only 4 pounds
And we sit here and guilt trip McDonald’s and Panera Bread and these gullible, naïve Mom-n-Pop coffee shops to serve us these drinks in these disgusting paper straws!!! All over 4 pounds out of 18,000,000,000,000
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Eiknarf
Banned
I agree. In fact, you can care about the environment and NOT support every single “save the environment” proposal.
Here's an analogy:
Parents love child and want them to get the best education possible.
Child has grades for elite private prep school that costs $50k a year.
Parents cannot afford that without selling their house, which they refuse to do, and tell child they have to go to cheaper school. (Not as good, but economically viable).
Parents still love their child and want them to get best education possible. Child screams that his/her parents don't love them.
The child is wrong.
The child here is the screaming and panic from the left (and that annoying Greta girl)
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Can you say it in a way that doesn't use an analogy that makes it harder to understand?
As for Greta being annoying, meh, she's done a lot for drawing attention to something really important. I think she's very impressive.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Isn't the USA, per capita, still one of the worst ranked nations in terms of CO2 emissions? You have to wonder how strong an argument it would be for a country that emits less CO2 than America (per capita) being told they need to make amends.
I think the power of the USA as a world leader shouldn't be undermined, as an exporter of culture, there's a lot to be said for America leading the way on many things and how beneficial that influence could be.
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Trunx81
Member
The heat is not the problem, it´s the absence of rain. Rainforests or saunas don´t ignite when it´s hot. Wood burns at 400 C, therefore it needs an ignition, which is most often man-made. Forget the bs about "waterbottles thrown away" or other crap. The fires on Rhodos were also arson (and the typical rainfall in July is 0,0 there).
The problem beside drought are monocultures, e.g. Pinewoods or (in Spain and Portugal) Eucalyptus trees. The later tend to need a lot of water, burn fast and hot and therefore support wildfires. A good fire-management (controled burning of undergrowth, dead plants, etc.) could mitigate these fires as well. Though this costs money no one wants to pay.
Fires have played a big role in the world´s plant life, there are trees in Canada and the US that can only thrive after a fire (Mammut trees, for example). What we see right now is a man-made problem - shortsighted and profit-oriented missmanagement. Combine that with more and more droughts, you get a disaster.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
The heat is definitely part of the problem, but for the absence of doubt, I'm not talking about how hot the fire burns, I'm talking about how dry things are and how they burn easier. Like I said, arson is a distraction from this being a climate change issue.