mild sriracha
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This reminds me of board members of game companies disliking video games.
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Zoom ordering employees back to the office
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This reminds me of board members of game companies disliking video games.
NeoIkaruGAF
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I never been on a Zoom call that amounted to something. It's almost always a giant waste of time.
GutsOfThor
Member
It's like raiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn!
Mephisto40
Member
Companies are starting to realise their staff who "work from home" are basically just pretending to work most the time
TransTrender
Gold Member
Mine still does
MS Teams is fucking AIDS garbage trash shit and I cringe whenever I need to get on a customer call with Google Hangouts or Amazon Chime.
Oh yeah and WebEx is still fantastic.
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Hudo
Member
As most meetings are.
Hudo
Member
I can guarantee you that the people who are unproductive at home are just as unproductive at work, they just hide it better there.
RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
This is the correct stance. As long as the work is getting done correctly, and on time, who cares how many 'hours' I'm productive.
Mephisto40
Member
Completely agree but at least when they are in the office it's obvious they aren't doing anything
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
If you do 'any' job at a computer is it really work..
Grildon Tundy
Member
If you do 'any' job at a computer is it really work..
Mephisto40
Member
Is this a serious question? lolIf you do 'any' job at a computer is it really work..
FalconPunch
Member
I guess it depends on the company you work at. If your company tracks metrics like most tech companies do, its easy to tell when someone is working and when they're pretending. Most ticketing systems, Jira, Salesforce, etc have aggressive metric tracking. Imo, the only way you can pretend to work is if you have no deliverables.
More importantly, this has nothing to do with productivity and more to do with to rapidly declining commercial property values. Similar things have occurred in Canada as well. If this were truly a free market, investors in these properties would be forced to baghold until they could figure out how they could repurpose the properties. Unfortunately, like i said, govt interference.
Source on govt interference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rges-federal-workers-return-office-this-fall/
MidGenRefresh
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True. All talk, very little or no action.
Ownage
Member
Not all. I work with a couple of firms who are full global remote. Their revenue is up 40% year after year since before the pandemic, and it's just beginning to take off.
Here's the kicker, both companies prefer to hire 40+ age m/f. They do this because of work ethics.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Would answering you be overtime?
Mephisto40
Member
Yes, bill your boss for your 10 seconds of overtimeWould answering you be overtime?
keraj37
Contacted PSN to add his card back to his account
Yeah, I heard that more and more employers aim to hire older generations, since they assume, they have stronger work ethics, and they aren't far from truth.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Invoice sent. In answer to your question, no, it's Tuesday and boring.
In answer to the thread, i've always been a Teams man, it was easier just using my microsoft login instead of making yet another account with someone. Was Zoom any good?
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Kilau
Member
The war to get employees back to the office to prevent devaluation of property is only starting.
Godspeed, WFH people. We're gonna need it.
(also: Zoom has 8,300 employees. Get the fuck outta here)
Oh no, major cities suffering loss of tax revenue and the uber rich suffering from loss of inflated property values. I'm literally shaking.
DKehoe
Gold Member
Wasn't there something that showed that people are actually more efficient working from home? Personally I like having the mix. When I'm in the office I can catch up with people and we can collaborate on things more easily. Then when I'm at home I can focus in on stuff. I'm lucky to have a really short commute so that's not really a factor for me. Whereas I get it makes a big difference for a lot of people.
SJRB
Gold Member
Well that's the point: they're going to make it your problem whether you care about this or not by forcing you back to the office.
This isn't about teambuilding or productivity. As always it's just about the money.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
I still think office cubicle jobs are good they’re terrific for productivity.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Exactly. I go over 1 day with my tickets and my boss starts breathing down my neck. We have daily Teams meetings too so actually managers know beforehand if someone is lagging behind.
Ive definitely seen people be lazy but they were lazy even when they were in the office. a good manager will keep their employees on track.
if anything, ive seen my teams become MORE productive after working from home. i personally dont like it since i like going to the office and being away from the family but i have not seen performance go down. this is just asshole execs who want people back in the office for reasons other than performance.
Sybrix
Member
Why the hate for Teams!?
I love it, it works perfectly, lots of tools within it also.
TransTrender
Gold Member
I'll answer but I need to get to work while avoiding Teams and using the vastly superior Slack for my asynchronous collaboration needs.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Back to the office and back to work lazy asses.
It wasn’t hard to go to the office 5 days a week before COVID, so it can’t be that hard to go back now. Or at least do hybrid style half the week. It’s not that hard. There’s still people doing hybrid permanently so traffic will always be better than precovid too.
Anyone working from home a lot since COVID (me included) have been blessed. Saved $1000s on gas and not eating in the cafeteria. I estimated rhat the first two years of 100% work from home I saved about $4000 per year and that even excluded whatever depreciation costs on my car.
Now I’m back to the office half the week and it’s still so lax.
Time to act like humans again and talk to people and see them face to face like adults instead of hiding behind an MS Teams screen not paying attention.
In one meeting a few weeks ago, you could tell who isnt paying attention online. One person asked the presenter where and when the files will be sent to everyone. If he was actually watching the presentation instead of probably surfing Amazon he would had seen the chart the person had on screen saying the date of release and location of the folder. But the presenter hadn’t got to that part yet (in words). Everyone else in the board room was like WTF is this guy talking about. It was clear he was listening to the meeting but not watching the slides.
For all you gaffers who went to work during COVID as normal, a lot of office staff got to work from home remotely on their laptop or logging in through portals on a home PC. Saved tons of money on gas and buying lunch. And no commute. Wake up 15 mins before work, brush your teeth and a quick shower and log on. And when the day is done, log off and your already home. And a lot of companies let you work flex hours since COVID was such a stressful time a lot of bosses didn’t care or coordinate core hours. So you got people working at odd hours making it hard to coordinate work for people like me who prefer working standard hours and not doing stuff at 10 pm.
Yet, a lot of people asked to go back complain.
It wasn’t hard to go to the office 5 days a week before COVID, so it can’t be that hard to go back now. Or at least do hybrid style half the week. It’s not that hard. There’s still people doing hybrid permanently so traffic will always be better than precovid too.
Anyone working from home a lot since COVID (me included) have been blessed. Saved $1000s on gas and not eating in the cafeteria. I estimated rhat the first two years of 100% work from home I saved about $4000 per year and that even excluded whatever depreciation costs on my car.
Now I’m back to the office half the week and it’s still so lax.
Time to act like humans again and talk to people and see them face to face like adults instead of hiding behind an MS Teams screen not paying attention.
In one meeting a few weeks ago, you could tell who isnt paying attention online. One person asked the presenter where and when the files will be sent to everyone. If he was actually watching the presentation instead of probably surfing Amazon he would had seen the chart the person had on screen saying the date of release and location of the folder. But the presenter hadn’t got to that part yet (in words). Everyone else in the board room was like WTF is this guy talking about. It was clear he was listening to the meeting but not watching the slides.
For all you gaffers who went to work during COVID as normal, a lot of office staff got to work from home remotely on their laptop or logging in through portals on a home PC. Saved tons of money on gas and buying lunch. And no commute. Wake up 15 mins before work, brush your teeth and a quick shower and log on. And when the day is done, log off and your already home. And a lot of companies let you work flex hours since COVID was such a stressful time a lot of bosses didn’t care or coordinate core hours. So you got people working at odd hours making it hard to coordinate work for people like me who prefer working standard hours and not doing stuff at 10 pm.
Yet, a lot of people asked to go back complain.
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Aesius
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The extrovert bullshitters have it good in the office. They can form cliques and spend half the day or more just chitchatting with each other. And usually they end up including some or most of the management in their cliques (that is, if the managers don't create the cliques themselves) so they become untouchable.
Hudo
Member
I can correlate that with my observations as well.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Perhaps.
But not as bad as WFH people. At least any slogs in the office are right there and if you need something they can’t avoid you coming by and asking them for stuff.
WFH workers can literally disappear and go shopping or take naps. Impossible to get hold of them. And you can tell they aren’t there (as opposed to being busy and don’t want to repond) because their Outlook/Teams status is yellow and says away for 3 hours in the middle of the day. Probably out grocery shopping.
A lazy ass at home will say they’ll respond when they get around to it in their own time. That’s fine for them but not for other people. Nobody wants to wait for their response at 9pm when precovid everyone works standard hours where people ask and receive information 9-5.
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a multicultural team of v
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You are paying $4000 a year for the privilege of working in the office. Visualize yourself every Monday morning handing $75 in cash to your employer and thanking them for allowing you to work in the office - that is literally what you are doing.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Companies compensate people on cost of living. That’s why people who live in cities get paid more than people in farm country for similar jobs. But never in history has there been blanket wfh for a lot of office staff.
In reality, companies overpaid all staff who sat at home for 2 years.
They even paid more on top of that because a lot of people expenses home office supplies which the office already has.
Nothing wrong with going back and working like before. Let’s not pretend COVID is a factor anymore. Almost nobody even wears a mask anymore and everything is open. So if the company wants you back, that’s the policy. Unless it was stated in the job description it’s a work from home h ob as per the contract, time for people to get off their asses and get back to work. Some slackers don’t realize their Outlook/Teams status shows a yellow dot even showing how many hours they’ve been away.
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Quasicat
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The one year that we had remote meetings through Microsoft Teams, similar to Zoom, I played a ton of Animal Crossing and Fortnite.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
In person meetings are always better. Online meetings have so many issues from tech problems, to people not paying attention and if there’s an in person meeting and people are on the phone dialing in you can’t even hear half the stuff if the presenter is speaking softly or someone asks a question from the back of the room. There’s a lot more room for goofing off or people not giving a shit when it doesn’t work smoothly.
And another thing that is bad is how awkward it is when someone (often the host) tries to do ice breakers. It’s dead silent half the time, half the people don’t go on cam so you stare at a canned photo or their initials since they didn’t even want to upload a photo. While in person meetings are so much easier to talk with everyone.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I think it is somewhat about team building or productivity. A lot of companies gave up office space, a lot of companies are still giving up office space. You can't make a company lease a massive office at high city downtown rates if they don't want to do it. NYC and SF are desperate for people to return to the office full time, pay those rents, have their employees buy lunch and coffee and happy hour and all that. Well, it's not really happening. Even companies that are back to office are only doing so 3-4 days a week, so one day a week the downtown is a dead zone. There is nothing the government can do about that, there is nothing the big CRE companies can do about that. So if a company says, "go back to the office", I have to conclude that they think there is a benefit to that. And some of it might be just petty, like when the JP Morgan guy said if I'm paying you a NYC salary then I expect you to be working in NYC. That's fine though. I'm not crying for the NYC banker getting paid massive salaries while living in downtown Miami or on some massive log cabin mansion in Maine.
In my personal experience I really do like being in the office once in a while. I think there is some middle ground to be found there.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For me, office is a lot more productive. The servers are also a lot faster at the office than doing it VPN.
But there’s times wfh is a better choice…. Bad weather or half day fridays where coming to the office just to leave at 1pm is a waste.
what kills the office for me is commute, not because it's far from home, but because of the rush hour traffic jams, a 15KM trip takes 2+ hours, I will avoid going to the office because of this.
a multicultural team of v
Member
Yeah but why do people get compensated based on where they live? Does your living location indicate your ability? Experience? Job qualifications?
Personally I don't mind actually working in the office, but I absolutely abhor commutes and would struggle to accept going back to wasting almost two hours of my day for little benefit. Also the yellow dot comment is funny because it probably shows up way more when I am in the office vs working from home because every time someone stops by to chat that's a yellow dot, lunch is a long yellow dot, etc etc
navii
My fantasy is that my girlfriend was actually a young high school girl.
My ex works at Google and I remember she telling me a lot of her colleagues buying properties in the countryside when wfh happened, and I was wondering what the fuck are they going to do when wfh eventually dies? (Answer they don't come into work as much as google mandates them to).
yet_another_alt
Member
Man, 2 hours daily commute for some of you is crazy.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Did they do it through Zoom?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Probably has to do with companies fighting for people. Living in metro areas costs more than a small town so they’ll offer more to attract hires. People working at head office also typically get paid more than regional offices.