Mattlikewhoa
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Why did I click on this thread?!
...some of these replies...
...some of these replies...
OK State Basketball player Marcus Smart shoves fan
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Seriously, shit talking a dude right in front of you who could break your face is just a sign of a dumbass.
Fan thinks he is invincible, discovers he isn't. Sadly, this will just encourage more assholes to be assholes to players to elicit a reaction that will either lead to a good player's suspension or a payday for the asshole.
Fan thinks he is invincible, discovers he isn't. Sadly, this will just encourage more assholes to be assholes to players to elicit a reaction that will either lead to a good player's suspension or a payday for the asshole.
LyleLanley
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Supposedly the guy didn't say the N word but did say "Go back to Africa" which isn't much better.
Like an adult. Which he is. He isn't a kid. He is a man, with responsibilities and an expectation of behavior.
This isn't 6th grade pop warner.
Ninja Scooter
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Remember kids, if you're a rich old guy in the crowd, you have no accountability and don't have to take any responsibility for your actions, even if you're directly associated with a major university.
When Jay Bilas speaks, people listen
Last I checked an adult started the situation.
Jest Chillin
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Doesn't make it ok but it makes it understandable. Which is something that matters when discussing the repercussions. Obviously Smart needs to work on trying not to react to fans like that but if/when any additional punishment is levied towards him, what was said to him needs to be taken into account.
What? No. People are taking the word of the athlete. The word that he didn't actually tell the press or make a twitter statement about or any other PR outlet. The radio announcer that reported Smart's claim overheard him say it to the coaches. Smart telling the coaches what was said would have no bearing on his image to the fans or any governing body above his coaches. Plainly said, he'd have little reason to lie or exaggerate in that specific moment.
To the point of physically putting his hands on a fan like that? It's possible but I just don't think it's very likely.
It's clear that the fan said something at least twice in the immediate moments leading up to that incident. While I think most can agree that players shouldn't be putting hands on fans or vice versa I don't think it's wrong for people to focus on what the fan said at all. We know what the player did and that it shouldn't have happened but what's yet to be answered is why. And if the statements the fan made were grossly over the top, should something be done about it? Booster or not, should this fan have their courtside conduct reviewed? Because if he had caused a fight or disturbance with another fan, I'm positive they would be examining his behavior. Is it ok to not give players the same protections that a venue would give a fan?
And the better man should have walked away.
Instead he instigated pointless violence. What a hero
Devolution
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Quite the hyperbole here.
BigJonsson
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That fan is a knob
Yeah, all the people in this thread calling him a hero are nuts.
Now, just as an aside, can you point these people out?
franknbeans
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Haha, he's like "that's it, piss em off"
Or we could remember that these players are human, and in this case aren't even getting paid for their play. But the measured, balanced approach is no fun, right?
LyleLanley
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Maybe Smart should have been the better man but how can you blame him for losing his cool when someone tells him "Go back to Africa"?
Devolution
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Fans who harass like that should be blacklisted. Then this shit wouldn't even come to a head.
Huh? He has every reason to lie after the fact. I will not say he is or will lie, but to say he has nothing to gain by lying is flat out wrong. In fact, he has millions of dollars on the line here.
I love how in these situations dudes can easily say "id totes walk away".
Please. Your adrenaline is high as fuck, you are about to lose to fucking Texas Tech, and are probably going to not make the Tourny and could potentially be losing millions. So you figure dude isn't a great place right now. Then this fool says some shit to you? You are a 20 year old. Shit will be going down. 95% of people in this same situation and space of mind would probably snap too....some even worse. He pushed him, that's actually tame. He could have Jermaine O'Neal'd dude.
Doesn't make it right as yes he should have just walked away or talk shit back but I understand what he was going through.
Of course it does but there's no way fans will become fair game behind a he-said/she-said veil. Fans are and SHOULD be off-limits. Besides, it won't work for spectator sports (even with the amount of cameras currently) unless its made that way specifically (which is a terrible idea).
So someone that has just pushed a fan (very taboo), amidst a losing streak that'll halt their aspiration-filled season, after choosing (crazily) to come back after being guaranteed millions/top 5 status, has nothing to lose by lying? Dude, he has every reason to be dishonest. I have absolutely no stake in this guy either way but let's let the facts clear out from all parties before we assert what the OK State contingent has to say about the matter. Smart might have been derided beyond belief BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
Also, you make a good point about fans/player protection. I've been at a couple games where that's been addressed by arresting fans but that line is uneven. If anything can come from this, that should be the talking point.
So should smart jump into the crowd every time someone heckles him with racist shit? I'm sure the nba scouts would like to know that.
If you called me a nigger, I wouldn't attack you. I have self control and a little fucking respect for myself. Their is no upside for me in that scenario. All I do is bring myself down to your level, and that's all Marcus did here. No, arguably lower since he actually touched someone.
Jest Chillin
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When talking to his own coaches immediately after the incident before he even has time to really think about what would happen as a result? I'd be more inclined to think he'd make something up if the claim was made by him in a statement to the press. Not to his coaches on the bench.
As much noise as being made, his action was still only a minor shove. This isn't an all out brawl with a fan, choking a coach, or any number of things other players have done and gotten away with in the Pros. It's not even Bobby Knight chucking chairs on the floor level bad.
He pushed a guy. Chill out.
Bubble Metropolis
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So you're saying that a fan talking shit to a player is a rare occurrence, or did I miss the other 300 instances of this exact scenario going down that must have transpired this weekend? Or is this under the supposition that the fan is a fat, white racist piece of shit?
Marcus Smart has been breaking down for weeks. Media hounding him for flopping in college, having to publicly justify himself for that, losing four games in a row when expectations were incredibly high, kicking the shit out of a chair last week. Yeah, the guy probably said something horrible to him, but I'm not going to paint him as a racist just cause that's convenient to say. Marcus Smart's been tense lately—and has every reason to be—it's not that far-fetched that he just snapped at something comparatively tame.
cr_blah_blah
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I'm pretty sure you mean UNPROVOKED PHYSICAL SENSELESS VIOLENCE.
That high horse though.
He acted like an idiot and embarrassed himself and his team.
Edit: high horse. Really now. Standards have fallen
I'd be embarrassed to be a Texas Tech fan if people rooting for my team had a case of verbal diarrhea. There are no winners here, please stop defending the dude.
you are divorcing the insult from the situation, which is idiotic. His team is sucking and about to lose a game to a shit team with their tourney hopes going down the tubes. He is also probably pumped up with adrenaline. I know it might be hard, but try to see it from his perspective in that moment.
Now, I am not saying what he did is either good or right, but that it is understandable.
LyleLanley
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No, obviously Smart shouldn't fight every racist fan he'll inevitably encounter. He shouldn't have pushed this fan and I'm betting that whatever suspension is levied on him will stop him from doing this again but I'm not gonna be too hard on the guy when the fan probably deserved it. In the end it was a shove, he didn't seriously harm the fan.
ThatCrazyGuy
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This the reason people do this shit. People act racist and its on the other guy to take it. No responsibility on the person talking the trash. And he will keep doing it because society says to have the victim just take it and be a better man.
Why doesn't the racist have to be a better man? His actions will have no ramifications.
Why doesn't the racist have to be a better man? His actions will have no ramifications.
He's not only a fan, he's a booster.
Because you are a star player of a team that just lost 4 straight. Dude isn't in a great place. Its totally different from me walking down the street and some dude yells at as he passes by. You get placed in a situation and everything is "right" you don't knwo what the fuck you would do. It's called being human. It's easy to say what you might do but you have no goddam clue what you would do if your mind a'int right.
He has to grow up for sure....but luckily he's 20 so he has time. He will learn from this.
didn't the text messages post earlier confirm that the guy directed whatever he was saying to smart?
LyleLanley
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No the old racist dude shouldn't have said that, no the player shouldn't have pushed him or let him get into his head. Do you know the kind of shit people say sometimes? Not only players on the other team, but fans at the pro level? Hopefully, this issue doesn't get blown out of proportion, you're going to have two sides, one that will try and portray the player as a violent thug who lashed out, the others who will try and portray the fan as the racist, old white guy etc.
I just don't get it, I mean I understand some good ole fashioned heckling, but I don't get the racial/personal insults. Same reason I never got the people who spend all day cursing or insulting or trolling celebs on Twitter.
I just don't get it, I mean I understand some good ole fashioned heckling, but I don't get the racial/personal insults. Same reason I never got the people who spend all day cursing or insulting or trolling celebs on Twitter.
Jest Chillin
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I don't think it's a terrible idea at all to take context into consideration when dealing out a punishment.
I already responded to a similar claim earlier but in your previous post you stated that it's entirely possible given the circumstance that he just flipped out over any old jab.. but now you're saying that in the seconds following the incident he would immediately think about his pro career? Judging by the video he was still angry and expressing why even after getting hit with the T. So which situation do you feel is most likely because right now it appears like you're playing devil's advocate rather than trying to evaluate the situation neutrally.
It's something that needs to be addressed in many sports to be honest. At the very least they could look into having the crowd simply be further away from the court. There's inherently less issues in Hockey and in Football with this sort of thing simply due to the space separating fans from players.
Being understandable doesn't necessarily make it right.
His team sucking and losing doesn't given him leeway. So if OSU were number 1 in the nation and Marcus was being billed as the next Kobe people would hold him to higher standard? I'm trying to be fair to Marcus and everyone else on that court.
Marcus could have walked away. He could have whispered fuck you and went to the bench. Instead he got a technical and might be suspended, which doesn't help the team. I mean really what's the upside here?
Honestly though, I try and consider myself level headed but if I'm in the heat of the moment and some guy is like go back to 'so and so', calling me a MF'er, abusing my family type stuff, I don't think I can hold back either.
Let's be real, he gave the guy a shove, he didn't kick his teeth down his throat or knock him out.
Let's be real, he gave the guy a shove, he didn't kick his teeth down his throat or knock him out.
You are making it seem oh so easy.
he isn't thinking about any of that shit during the moment. It is easy to say you should walk awya before or after something like this as yes you should but its not as easy in the moment. The last thing your mind is thinking of it I might be suspended..you mind is gone into raaaaaage mode by this point thanks in part to all the other shit.
It's not easy when you are in that situation and unless you were in that situation and you managed to walk away, you really don't know how you'd react.
99.9% of all other basketball players don't react this way. That's why this is a story.
cr_blah_blah
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What he really should have done is write a list of pros and cons then make his decision. It's like people don't even think about that when it's almost always the best way to handle tough situations.
it is rare that they get that close to the fans. Someone normally steps in before it gets to that point
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