Most of the reason why walk off stages don't work is because yes the edge guard game is essential, but because several characters like Jigglypuff rely on an aerial game where the opponent has to go off stage so that you can do a Wall of Pain.
Walk-off stages severely limit characters who do not have a strong ground game and it effectively gives a soft handicap to those characters.
Stages have to be as neutral as possible in order to bring out the full effects of what a character can do at the competitive level and it just isn't feasible with walk off stages like Yoshi's Island Melee where you can effectively combo off the slopes and have infinites.
There's a reason as to why people made Dreamland the only legal stage in Smash 64 as Yoshi's Island was too big.
When comparing walk off stages to floating stages, floating stages are higher in quantity and they don't serve to limit a character's combo potential or aerial or ground game like a walk off stage does.
I love mostly all the stages in Smash and I really do enjoy playing casually in walk off stages. But when you're competing, walk off stages aren't feasible and thus FD, Battlefield, Dreamland, FoD, etc are the standard for the metagame.
Tournament play is completely subjective to the rule created by the community, but that;s just how every FGC is and we abide by it because we agree that these rules, for the most part, balances out gameplay to the point where skill is what lets you win.
I do agree that what he said was rude and out of hand and honestly, I do understand why people dislike floating stages. Not every stage has to be tourney legal and all stages should be fun in their own right. But there has to be at least 5 or 6 tourney stages because platforms really do make a huge difference as to how the game is played.
I do agree with a bunch of what everyone has said, I've just felt through observation that smash has a bunch of really stuff and inflexible fand when it comes to certain things in smash. I just felt like bringing up an opposite scenario would help put things in perspective.
While I do agree with your points, who's to say other characters wouldn't be better on walk off stages and the current method is limiting them the same way Jigglypuff would be limited in walk off.
I would like to reiterate that I don't have much of an opinion here, and my first paragraph is my main point.
It seems to me that the TV is showing the Brawl results screen, with Ness clapping at the right and Toon Link doing his victory pose with the pig on his head. Maybe I'm looking way too much into this...
Okay SmashGAF, this is gonna sound weird but I figured this would be the best place to ask this.
Were there ever any rumors/talk about a Lady Hand in SSB? Basically, a third counterpart to Master Hand and Crazy Hand. I really have no idea where I got this idea if that's not the case, but for a while I was convinced she was actually in Brawl (I hadn't played the game in years) and had nails and a laser ring and such. There's a good chance I'm completely crazy.
Okay SmashGAF, this is gonna sound weird but I figured this would be the best place to ask this.
Were there ever any rumors/talk about a Lady Hand in SSB? Basically, a third counterpart to Master Hand and Crazy Hand. I really have no idea where I got this idea if that's not the case, but for a while I was convinced she was actually in Brawl (I hadn't played the game in years) and had nails and a laser ring and such. There's a good chance I'm completely crazy.
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I don't understand why people wish to constrain smash's metagame to where "The ledge and off-stage game is a HUGE part of what makes Smash so great, walk-off stages are the antithesis to that." Wasn't a huge draw to smash the fact that it was like a sandbox fighter, where you make your own combos, etc. I believe, if smash 64 had just walk off stages, a meta game would've developed without the off stage game. But the instant the idea of a competitive scene with a different rule set comes up, it gets shot down as getting rid of a huge part of the smash competitive scene. Which would be in an opposite role should my hypothetical smash 64 been a thing. Why can't we have a scene with a meta game developed around walk off stages. (This is hard to explain). Think of it like an alternate timeline in the Zelda timeline. Both coexist at the same time. I just feel people who try to define what is a HUGE part of smash don't realize that this is either defined by another player , who was in a similar situation as my alternate rule set could be, but nobody got there before him to establish walk off stages only rules, or, the developer envisioned it this way, which in this case is likely true, but even then doesn't mean it has to be followed. Look at Brawl.
Short version: People are stingy with following definitions when the same definitions likely weren't in place at some point in time.
Pokemon is a decent example, with a of OU, Ubers, UU, STABmons, etc. with different philosophies to the meta game, occasionally different rules, all coexisting
I prefer non walk off, though I don't hate them and see his point in the Kid Icarus Animal Crossing example
2nd paragraph is probably one of the rudest generalizations I've seen, and I don't care for either side on that one
Okay SmashGAF, this is gonna sound weird but I figured this would be the best place to ask this.
Were there ever any rumors/talk about a Lady Hand in SSB? Basically, a third counterpart to Master Hand and Crazy Hand. I really have no idea where I got this idea if that's not the case, but for a while I was convinced she was actually in Brawl (I hadn't played the game in years) and had nails and a laser ring and such. There's a good chance I'm completely crazy.
Why do girls have to wear rings and have long nails? Who says Master and Crazy Hand don't belong to a girl?
Vice versa, why can't boys wear rings and have long nails?
There's an extremely good chance that this is something that I contrived when I was younger and looking at news of the game, but it's been too long for me to know for certain.
I'm pretty sure that my description of nails and a ring would be more befitting of an adult woman, which is what he was getting at with that comment. Not that adult women aren't allowed to play with toys, but...
EDIT: Although it would be interesting if, lore wise, it was the mother coming to put the toys away or something. Though that would be way too meta.
This weeks theme is Sakurai getting more and more depressed with each daily image, building up to him announcing his departure from the project on Friday.
Most people I know have two hands. It's a kid playing with the toys. Adding a third would go against this idea.
I was careful to say kid rather than boy but I realise I made the mistake of using the masculine pronoun. But seriously, don't make this a gender debate. They are a pair of white gloves, they are pretty genderless.
Most people I know have two hands. It's a kid playing with the toys. Adding a third would go against this idea.
I was careful to say kid rather than boy but I realise I made the mistake of using the masculine pronoun. But seriously, don't make this a gender debate. They are a pair of white gloves, they are pretty genderless.
Or it could be a boy and a girl playing together? If anything that makes more sense then one kid playing as there can be 4 smash characters moving at the same time
You do realise I'm referring to the original intro that was clearly depicting one kid playing. And think about it, the hands originally only appeared in single player mode.
Did a ton of research. Nothing. Searching google through a specific timeframe of 2005 -2009 had no results whatsoever for a "lady hand super smash bros", a "female hand super smash bros" or a "woman hand super smash bros".
You probably did make it up. The closest thing I could find was a Gamefaqs post about how there should be one but that was after Rosalina had been revealed.
This weeks theme is Sakurai getting more and more depressed with each daily image, building up to him announcing his departure from the project on Friday.
Okay SmashGAF, this is gonna sound weird but I figured this would be the best place to ask this.
Were there ever any rumors/talk about a Lady Hand in SSB? Basically, a third counterpart to Master Hand and Crazy Hand. I really have no idea where I got this idea if that's not the case, but for a while I was convinced she was actually in Brawl (I hadn't played the game in years) and had nails and a laser ring and such. There's a good chance I'm completely crazy.
Pic of the day. A bored-looking dog staring at the TV… Occasionally, the Super Smash Bros. series really makes me confused about what I'm creating.
I'm worried about Sakurai. It seem that he got confused by fans' demands. like, "How can I make the game good for kids since I thought Brawl was amazing game." Or He isn't sure what path Smash series should go on.
I'm not worried about it, but I'm worried about Sakurai being overwhelmed by the choices, etc.
I would've offered to play Project M wifi with people here ages ago if not for:
1. Only being able to play the mod via Dolphin since there's no PAL support yet
2. Australian time zones
3. God awful internet in general, though I'd be willing to directly connect my desktop to the router
4. I'm even more god awful competitively
Well I don't really care if you are awful at competitively. We could go with items if you preferred. I will play ANY MODE and ANY SMASH GAME that have online mode.
He should probably take a break after finishing this project. Or at the very least, take it real slow with his next one. He's an awesome guy and developer, wouldn't want him to burn out and become jaded with it.
I'm worried about Sakurai. It seem that he got confused by fans' demands. like, "How can I make the game good for kids since I thought Brawl was amazing game." Or He isn't sure what path Smash series should go on.
I'm not worried about it, but I'm worried about Sakurai being overwhelmed by the choices, etc.
Today's update was so bad, I dreamed that it was replaced almost immediately after I left with a picture of Sonic in a new waterfalls stage carrying an unidentified character over his shoulder (sort of like DK's carry), which people quickly figured out to be Blaze the Cat. "Ha, he had a change of heart!" "He was just trolling us!" the posts said.
So I wake up and double-check, and it's still the Nintendog shot. Let down twice in one day by the same update.
Today's update was so bad, I dreamed that it was replaced almost immediately after I left with a picture of Sonic in a new waterfalls stage carrying an unidentified character over his shoulder (sort of like DK's carry), which people quickly figured out to be Blaze the Cat. "Ha, he had a change of heart!" "He was just trolling us!" the posts said.
So I wake up and double-check, and it's still the Nintendog shot. Let down twice in one day by the same update.
I really hope the direct isn't this week because if it is then its probably going to be a Diddy reveal during their 55% of the direct coverage being taken up by Tropical Freeze.
Diddy reveal this week, Direct next week would be splendid.
Buh? What on earth are you on about? It was a boring update, unless that TV had an easter egg on it. A new level and new guest character aren't "unrealistic" for how little we've seen of the game. And that's beside the point.
I was just trying to share a funny anecdote, don't be a dick about it.
And thus the effect of this horrible fanbase on Sakurai becomes evident. He's only human after all, yet so many in this community treat him (and other game developers) like he's less than every day.
Brawl was an amazing (not perfect, but amazing) game; hopefully he remembers that and that carries him through despite all the vitriolic comments from the vocal Brawl haters.
Cute pic. I love how people have been bitching and begging for an "exciting pic" and "real news" for the last week even though we got Lucario JUST OVER A WEEK AGO. Jesus. We're probably getting Diddy this week, too.
that picture just made me imagine a star fox 3rd person shooter ala gears of war
like at the start you (fox and falco) would be running down a space corridor using physical kicks and stuff first with cool combos like batman, then moving onto a section with covered walls where you go into cover mode and take out enemies with lasers.
then one of them would accidently shoot a tank which would cause a running scene through this space station with it exploding behind you, then fox jumping out of the space station as it explodes obviousely and right into the arwing and it would instantly go into classic star fox sequence.
could be pretty fun. all cheese voice acted with cool explosions and stuff idk im high
that picture just made me imagine a star fox 3rd person shooter ala gears of war
like at the start you (fox and falco) would be running down a space corridor using physical kicks and stuff first with cool combos like batman, then moving onto a section with covered walls where you go into cover mode and take out enemies with lasers.
then one of them would accidently shoot a tank which would cause a running scene through this space station with it exploding behind you, then fox jumping out of the space station as it explodes obviousely and right into the arwing and it would instantly go into classic star fox sequence.
could be pretty fun. all cheese voice acted with cool explosions and stuff idk im high
And thus the effect of this horrible fanbase on Sakurai becomes evident. He's only human after all, yet so many in this community treat him (and other game developers) like he's less than every day.
Brawl was an amazing (not perfect, but amazing) game; hopefully he remembers that and that carries him through despite all the vitriolic comments from the vocal Brawl haters.
Cute pic. I love how people have been bitching and begging for an "exciting pic" and "real news" for the last week even though we got Lucario JUST OVER A WEEK AGO. Jesus. We're probably getting Diddy this week, too.
Bingo, even we got two good updates last week as well, Mother Brain and Palkia. Do people actually forget that we got few updates that would make people said, it's NOTHING during Dojo hype era?
Few quotes from me, (I probably would post more in the future when people are getting impatience again.)
Patience is a virtue
Trees that are slow to grow bear the best fruit.
Patience is not the ability to wait, but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting
Also, didn't we do this TV speculation song-and-dance back when the game was first revealed? Could've sworn the conclusion we came to back then was that it was the US commercial for the N64 game. Still kinda looks it. Surprised it hasn't come up as a possibility in this new go-around.
(Also, speaking as a fan of the show, that Rainbow Dash Captain Falcon is highly bizarre. Who in their right mind would do that?)
And thus the effect of this horrible fanbase on Sakurai becomes evident. He's only human after all, yet so many in this community treat him (and other game developers) like he's less than every day.
Brawl was an amazing (not perfect, but amazing) game; hopefully he remembers that and that carries him through despite all the vitriolic comments from the vocal Brawl haters.
Cute pic. I love how people have been bitching and begging for an "exciting pic" and "real news" for the last week even though we got Lucario JUST OVER A WEEK AGO. Jesus. We're probably getting Diddy this week, too.
Bingo, even we got two good updates last week as well, Mother Brain and Palkia. Do people actually forget that we got few updates that would make people said, it's NOTHING during Dojo hype era?
Few quotes from me, (I probably would post more in the future when people are getting impatience again.)
Patience is a virtue
Trees that are slow to grow bear the best fruit.
Patience is not the ability to wait, but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting
Wow. I literally thought "Hey this would be a funny story since lots of people were let down by Sakurai taking a screenshot of the background dog", and now I'm being demonized.
Also, didn't we do this TV speculation song-and-dance back when the game was first revealed? Could've sworn the conclusion we came to back then was that it was the US commercial for the N64 game. Still kinda looks it. Surprised it hasn't come up as a possibility in this new go-around.
(Also, speaking as a fan of the show, that Rainbow Dash Captain Falcon is highly bizarre. Who in their right mind would do that?)
Buh? What on earth are you on about? It was a boring update, unless that TV had an easter egg on it. A new level and new guest character aren't "unrealistic" for how little we've seen of the game. And that's beside the point.
I was just trying to share a funny anecdote, don't be a dick about it.
you let your dreams get the best of you and complained about how "bad" this update was. It's a part of the stage that hasn't been seen before. It may not be the most interesting thing ever but it's hardly worth the tears.
