True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Amazing episode and an amazing show.

Does anybody else partially feel this show is so good since it is keeping the same director? As much as I love some Boardwalk Empire and stuff, I kind of feel like one director would make it better rather than switching it up constantly. But maybe that is just me :\.
 

DKehoe

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Why is it so unusual for a show to have just one director? I hope it's something more of them do in the future.

Also, this show is amazing. It's only four episodes in but is quite possibly already in my top tier.
 

duckroll

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I gotta say - Cohle puts his money where his mouth is. All that shit about him being deep undercover for the DEA isn't just history, it's really a part of his character and what he's capable of. I kinda regret watching the episode so soon though. Feels like finishing a chapter of a book when it's getting really good, and not having the next chapter on hand. Goddamnit!

The preview is looking good. Things are moving pretty quickly now. :)
 
woody harrelson is killin this shit. That phone call with Maggie's dad and Marty breaking down, god damn. He shouldn't be forgotten when the praise is getting thrown around.

Rust gets so completely absorbed in his objective, its almost as if he doesn't have a choice in the matter concerning his actions. Marty straight up asked him if he was sure about the plan. "Not really", as safety or anything like that hadn't crossed his mind to that point. This was just something he had to do.
 
They need to find a way to bring Fukanaga back.

I think he's on other projects but Derek Cianfrance and Rian Johnson would make great replacements. Cianfrance also loves to do impressive one shot sequences so I'd love to see his go at this show if Fukanaga can't make it back.

EDIT: And Holy Shit I just realized that Ginger was Hans Schroeder from Boardwalk Empire. Talk about a transformation over the past few years.
 

Blader

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Why is it so unusual for a show to have just one director? I hope it's something more of them do in the future.

Because it's a ton of work being crammed into a small amount of time. It's only really workable here because there are just eight episodes, but it's still an intense workload. Any longer -- 10 episodes, 13, etc. -- and it'd be impossible.
 

-griffy-

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Why is it so unusual for a show to have just one director? I hope it's something more of them do in the future.

Also, this show is amazing. It's only four episodes in but is quite possibly already in my top tier.
The scheduling is usually such that it would be logistically improbable for one person to do it all. Something like Breaking Bad they are prepping for one episode while shooting the current, and Game of Thrones is shooting multiple crews/episodes in different countries concurrently. I think they get away with it here because the commitment is for one season.
 
Why is it so unusual for a show to have just one director? I hope it's something more of them do in the future.

Also, this show is amazing. It's only four episodes in but is quite possibly already in my top tier.

Usually Writers run the show on Television series, and depending on the episode different directors are brought in based on their strengths and control of pacing in many ways. You usually have a Showrunner, and writing staff, and they're really the ones running the show.

The Director is less responsible for occurrences in the show as oppose to movies where it's usually director's that run the operation (barring an interfering producer), he generally just directs the actors and is responsible for the tonality and pacing of the show.

So it is very unusual to see one man run it all. But it's remarkable when done correctly as it allows a uniform pacing, and overall tone for the show.
 

duckroll

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Usually Writers run the show on Television series, and depending on the episode different directors are brought in based on their strengths and control of pacing in many ways. You usually have a Showrunner, and writing staff, and they're really the ones running the show.

The Director is less responsible for occurrences in the show as oppose to movies where it's usually director's that run the operation (barring an interfering producer), he generally just directs the actors and is responsible for the tonality and pacing of the show.

So it is very unusual to see one man run it all. But it's remarkable when done correctly as it allows a uniform pacing, and overall tone for the show.

This show is still run by the writer. Nic Pizzolatto is the showrunner, creator, and writer. He created the concept, wrote all the scripts, and was on set every day talking to the actors and supervising the shoot.

The reason why there's one director for all the episodes is because Fukunaga is represented by the same agency which represents Nic, and they were put together to try and create the package to pitch to networks. They started making it while there was a bidding war, so this season is actually more like a big budget indie production which got picked up by HBO, rather than a show created and produced from within HBO from the start.
 
This show is pretty damn amazing. Definitely one of my favorites currently running already. The craziest thing is, it doesn't leave you with huge cliff hangers that keep you looking forward to the next episode. It just presents you with episodes that are so damn awesome, you have to look forward to the next one.
 
This show is still run by the writer. Nic Pizzolatto is the showrunner, creator, and writer. He created the concept, wrote all the scripts, and was on set every day talking to the actors and supervising the shoot.

The reason why there's one director for all the episodes is because Fukunaga is represented by the same agency which represents Nic, and they were put together to try and create the package to pitch to networks. They started making it while there was a bidding war, so this season is actually more like a big budget indie production which got picked up by HBO, rather than a show created and produced from within HBO from the start.

Oh ok. I meant with the discussion of writers and showrunners in terms of power and what roles people play. I understand Nic was there, but I had no idea that they were shooting this before they were actually picked up by a network. Thanks for that info!

It totally does feel more like a movie than a TV show. Also I'm kinda glad that this wasn't picked up by Netflix, and I was able to marathon it. I like thinking over each episode and rewatching them as oppose ot viewing them all at once.

What do others think about that?
 
Cary Fukunaga is likely to blow up after this, if the quality of the season continues. I'm really glad he is on this--gives him a chance to stretch his legs and show the (apparent) variety he is capable of.
 
HA!

I knew it. I saw Nic Pizzolatto in the credits and I was like "lol he was probably the bartender, no way he was some badass biker" and I did a Google Image search and was like

YUP
 

Daigoro

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this is one of those shows where i sit there thinking how i dont want it to end as im watching.

damn good show.

best episode yet. and they played a Melvins song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oolwsWexSzQ

yes sir! i picked up on that real quick.

too bad that song didnt come out until years after the time period the show took place in, but at the time all i could think was MELVINS. great to hear, but took me out of the moment there for a sec.
 

duckroll

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Oh ok. I meant with the discussion of writers and showrunners in terms of power and what roles people play. I understand Nic was there, but I had no idea that they were shooting this before they were actually picked up by a network. Thanks for that info!

It totally does feel more like a movie than a TV show. Also I'm kinda glad that this wasn't picked up by Netflix, and I was able to marathon it. I like thinking over each episode and rewatching them as oppose ot viewing them all at once.

What do others think about that?

I dunno if they actually started shooting the entire series itself before HBO picked it up actually, but I was talking about the process of how the core team got put together before it was signed by any network. Nic, Cary, Matt, and Woody were all attached to the pitch itself before it was a HBO production. I guess since it was 8 episodes, Cary decided he could direct the entire shoot himself. Don't think he's ever going to do it again though, lol.

I'm of two minds about the heavy cinematic feel of the show. On one hand, the visuals totally sell the setting as a creature of its own. Really great landscape shots. Really deliberate pacing. Everything looks amazing. On the other hand though, because of the structure of the story, it does feel pretty annoying to not be able to watch the next chapter of the story when I feel ready for it.

I agree that it's not something that should be immediately marathoned, because the writing is really dense and the character development can be pretty heavy for each episode, but with something like Netflix, no one is really forced to do that. I would definitely like to be able to watch an episode of this, sit on it for a day or so, and then be able to watch the next episode whenever I want to instead of waiting a week. It's clear that Nic wrote this like he writes a book, and I think consuming it in the same way wouldn't be too bad. Would be a nightmare to moderate for spoilers here though!
 
Marty's sleuthing deserves some praise. He is also just as good a detective as Rust. Rust comes with serious baggage, some of which is classified top secret shit. Of course he knows his shit in a mogadishu situation.

Not sure why people are complaining about bein pistol whipped or punched in the back. Try to lightly punch yourself in the kidneys. Stings like a fucker right? Now imagine the full force and weight of Rust's coke fueled haymaker from hell.

We as an audience have become so desensitized to violence that anything less than a gunshot wound to the leg is seen as lolworthy and fake.
 

lamaroo

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I dunno if they actually started shooting the entire series itself before HBO picked it up actually, but I was talking about the process of how the core team got put together before it was signed by any network. Nic, Cary, Matt, and Woody were all attached to the pitch itself before it was a HBO production. I guess since it was 8 episodes, Cary decided he could direct the entire shoot himself. Don't think he's ever going to do it again though, lol.

I'm of two minds about the heavy cinematic feel of the show. On one hand, the visuals totally sell the setting as a creature of its own. Really great landscape shots. Really deliberate pacing. Everything looks amazing. On the other hand though, because of the structure of the story, it does feel pretty annoying to not be able to watch the next chapter of the story when I feel ready for it.

I agree that it's not something that should be immediately marathoned, because the writing is really dense and the character development can be pretty heavy for each episode, but with something like Netflix, no one is really forced to do that. I would definitely like to be able to watch an episode of this, sit on it for a day or so, and then be able to watch the next episode whenever I want to instead of waiting a week. It's clear that Nic wrote this like he writes a book, and I think consuming it in the same way wouldn't be too bad. Would be a nightmare to moderate for spoilers here though!

Yeah, this article mentions how FX really wanted the show. I'm so glad Showtime didn't get it.
 
Marty's sleuthing deserves some praise. He is also just as good a detective as Rust. Rust comes with serious baggage, some of which is classified top secret shit. Of course he knows his shit in a mogadishu situation.

Not sure why people are complaining about bein pistol whipped or punched in the back. Try to lightly punch yourself in the kidneys. Stings like a fucker right? Now imagine the full force and weight of Rust's coke fueled haymaker from hell.

We as an audience have become so desensitized to violence that anything less than a gunshot wound to the leg is seen as lolworthy and fake.

Agreed. Marty's role is underrated in this show. The way these two detectives complement each other is often ignored, especially by the character's themselves.

“Gotta be tough, living with somebody spoutin’ insane shit in your ear all day long,”
 
lulz
Wild leaps are fantastic, but not when you haven’t built a solid foundation to land on when you inevitably come back down.
But that's exactly what they've done. Im so invested into these characters and story, I'm excited for next week just so we can go back to exploring the ramifications of everything that happened this week. It looks like they are going to
transition into 2002
here shortly. Shit is going to be amazing
 
That long take/tracking shot at the end was awesome... but I was wondering if you guys think they cut it when they aimed the camera skywards towards the helicopter, then back down to the ground. (It happens about half way through the shot, after they leave the safe house)
It's just a thought... came to me randomly because I actually watched the making of that great British Sony PS ad, and every time they panned around to the window , they used it as a vfx shot/chance to reset everything...
 

mf.luder

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Just began watching this and loving it. I finished The Shield the other day and was unsure what my next show would be between Game of Thrones and House of Cards.

Watched Ep1 last week and now catching up with 2 & 3.
 

Spinluck

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holy jesus, the last 20mins had me glued, but the last 10mins had me tight. i couldn't move.

that one shot was GOD TIER. i almost don't want go back and watch it, without watching the episode as a whole just so it doesn't get old. bravo, bra-fucking-vo. i will definitely be watching that episode again before we cross the halfway mark.

mcconagod has been killing it, and i think the supporting cast is kicking ass as well. love this show so far.

So is Breaking Bad hyperbole the same The Wire hyperbole? Or is it "insert any show I don't like as much as others" hyperbole. Where is this objective list that is factually correct with the list of tv shows deserving the exact amount of praise it deserves?

I jest of course. But I swear, as someone that is a huge TV buff and has seen almost every show to come out in the last 10 years, there is always hyperbole, and someone complaining about hyperbole. I remember people complaining about the Wire being lauded.

Edit: maybe this is why the average person isn't a critic. :p

the tv show dick waving that goes on here is laughable. best not to even partake in them most of the time. my favorite shows all time would probably be breaking bad and the sopranos. they can carry on with their hyperbole shit- won't change what i think in the slightest.
 

kaskade

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I was just thinking you could almost have the bit leading up to and the whole robbery scene be a short film in itself. It's pretty crazy how even today I'm still thinking about it. I'm going to watch it again tonight.
 

kaskade

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Didn't in the interview he say that there were 2 points where he would have cut if the take didn't go well? I imagine that could've been a spot if they had to cut it but ultimately didn't have to.
 
Didn't in the interview he say that there were 2 points where he would have cut if the take didn't go well? I imagine that could've been a spot if they had to cut it but ultimately didn't have to.
Yes.
The director built in possible edit points if two takes had to be combined to make the perfect version of the shot, but anyone who is wondering should know that the sequence everyone saw in the episode is, in fact, a true single take.
 

Linius

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God damn, that was intense as fuck. But no Daddario boobs, so I can't say this episode was perfect.

Dat Grinderman credits song
 

lamaroo

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Due to that long shot, I forgot to mention one of my favourite moments this episode.

Marty staring at the tiny eye mirror in Rust's house, "are you supposed to see both eyes?"
 
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