Simon Belmont
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Because why would you want a defenceman to defend?
2014 Olympic Men's Ice Hockey Tournament | Salt on an international level
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Because why would you want a defenceman to defend?
Defenseman of an international tournament should probably go to the defenseman who defends the best, not scores the most. Must my opinion though, Doughty scored a lot and was a rock on the back end as well.
Simon Belmont
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Not to mention he racked up points against weak teams then completely disappeared in the game that mattered.
Can't find a better one.
This won't do for my Facebook gloating cover photo. I need better!
Well if any Canadian d-men won it, I would believe they would have deserved it as well. That doesn't mean that I would think Karlsson doesn't.
He was an offensive force on the backend for the Swedes and he was decent defensively. I think just based on his dominance on the scoresheet, he deserves the award.
Oh god the irony is killing me. I don't think I can take you seriously ever again.
Simon Belmont
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You must have an Alanis-like understanding of the word then. He's barely competent defensively while he's getting some points. Fine for a forward, bad for a defenceman.
The irony of a fan of a team with Phil Kessel on it bringing up another player racking up points against weaker teams and then folding when the games actually mattered. That's what's killing me.
I don't think you really have any room to talk about players not showing up when games matter as a Leafs fan.
Looking back on the tournament, it's impressive how composed Team Canada was, dominating play the large majority of their time on the ice.
Like everyone, I was worried that the lack of offensive production would be a liability when a bigger threat came along -- but that threat never really materialized. A bit anti-climactic, but I'll take it. They were a joy to watch.
Like everyone, I was worried that the lack of offensive production would be a liability when a bigger threat came along -- but that threat never really materialized. A bit anti-climactic, but I'll take it. They were a joy to watch.
Can't wait to see Crosby and Kunitz light the lamp tomorrow
Never doubt me.
Simon Belmont
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Why do you keep bringing Kessel into a discussion about Karlsson? Trying to muddy the waters with a bit if et tu, quo que? Wouldn't you agree that points are a better indicator of a forwards performance than a defenseman's?
Also would you expect a leafs fan to praise Karlsson's performance? No? Then it's not ironic.
I would however expect the "all star" defenseman to be able to defend.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
So Backstrom was doping? Jesus. I wonder if the NHL will do anything?
If allergy medication is considered doping, (which apparently it is at the Olympics).
John Dunbar
correct about everything
if backstrom had had the sniffles on friday then finland would have been in the final.
frankly, sweden's allergy doping casts a shadow over their win in turin, no question about it.
Pseudoephedrine may seem pretty innocuous as far as performance-enhancing drugs go, but it's used as such all the time in hockey. Maybe it was an innocent mistake on Bäckström's part, but it's on the list of banned substances for a reason.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
He wasn't banned for the anti-histamine, he was banned for the stimulant. And his blood levels were above the therapeutic levels. What a tool.
Ok then, on a separate topic, you would agree that Kessel does not deserve the top forward award, correct? I mean he racked up points against weak teams and then folded up like a cheap suit when his team needed him the most.
And no, I wouldn't agree with that. If Kunitz scored 10 goals against Norway and then did dick all the rest of the tourny, people would still pile up on him.
I think the fact that Karlsson was, as a defenceman, tied for the lead in scoring for the tournament is extremely impressive.
And I guess I expect too much from Leafs fan? I dunno.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
I think the point he was trying to make was that you don't understand what the word irony means.
Oh I know exactly what it means, he's just not seeing how I used the word from my point of view of him being a Leafs fan with Phil Kessel on his team.
Simon Belmont
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Well since points is a much better indicator of how a forward performs, I'd say you're trying to compare apples and oranges. Why not try and make the case for Karlsson being a better defender than Doughty?
Yep, still not a proper example of irony.
Good choices though maybe Toews could have used a place there.
Granlund could be a beast in NHL too if he bulked up more.
Why would I try to make that case when I don't believe it?
But you said
Which is objectively not true. It's an extremely hyperbolic statement, which I have a feeling is fueled by your hatred for the Sens and their players.
And I'm not going to sit here and defend my use of the word "irony" -_-
What in the hell are you even talking about?
Nice to know you don't actually watch the games if you think that about Phil.
Karlsson wasn't even on Sweden's top pairing for most of the game.
Agreed, Toews proved again he's one of the best two way players in the world.
I was talking about this tournament.
I would actually love to have Kessel on the Sens.
Simon Belmont
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So basically:
1. Backstrom was tested Wednesday.
2. IOC are supposed to notify within 48 hours if there's an issue.
3. IOC found a level of 1.9, of a substance that's not illegal up to the limit of 1.5.
4. They knew about it since friday, waited until hours before gold medal game to notify Team Sweden. Meaning no time to overturn the decision or take a new test.
5. IOC suspend Backstrom from playing, when exactly the same case in the 2010 olympics only lead to a warning for that player.
edit: updated timeline
1. Backstrom was tested Wednesday.
2. IOC are supposed to notify within 48 hours if there's an issue.
3. IOC found a level of 1.9, of a substance that's not illegal up to the limit of 1.5.
4. They knew about it since friday, waited until hours before gold medal game to notify Team Sweden. Meaning no time to overturn the decision or take a new test.
5. IOC suspend Backstrom from playing, when exactly the same case in the 2010 olympics only lead to a warning for that player.
edit: updated timeline
What part is the joke -- the ban, or Bäckström's poor choices?
That part does indeed suck.
Punjabi_Hitman
Banned
Backstrom some crazy goalie who can score goals or something?
scissorfight
Banned
:lol
happy for babcock, holland, and stevie Y.
Yeah, I still find it a bit confusing. Apparently he's been using the same medication for 7 years, but the IOC have different rules for the allowed level compared to NHL, or something?
Both NHL and NHLPA appear to be upset about this, and the Swedish management are talking about suing the IOC.
OriginofHysteria
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He's been taking the same meds for about 7 years too. I wonder what happened in Vancouver that let him play.
bonesmccoy
Banned
You can only blame Backstrom. He's not a child; this is his job. He has to be aware of the regulations.
Not that it would have made a lick of difference anyway, with Henrik and Zetterberg already out Sweden had a massive deficit at C.
Not that it would have made a lick of difference anyway, with Henrik and Zetterberg already out Sweden had a massive deficit at C.
Unhandled Exception
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What a fucking joke. Seriously, what a goddamn joke.
bonesmccoy
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24 hours from when the 'anomaly' was discovered, or 24 hours from when the test was taken?
Unhandled Exception
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You hear that, Cock Boss? Time to open up that wallet.
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