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I just felt kind of insulted. But I'm really attracted to her. It's a weird feeling.

What did she say? If you want help judging whether you overreacted or she was actually insulting you, it'd be helpful info.

I've been running into the strangest women.

I've known this girl at my coffee shop for some time. Asked her out a while back and she declined, so I aimed to just be friends and invited her to hang out when I was out doing stuff or looking for something to do. She declined almost every time. I quickly got sick of it, and stopped trying. For some reason though she keeps trying to get my attention and claims she wants to grab a drink. But, like always, flaked when I tried to make it happen.

Then there are another two that I used to work with. Both keep texting me and say they really want to hang out. Every time I try, there's either a new excuse or no response. So like before, I cut them out, and a couple months later they're trying to hang out again. Rinse and repeat.

I just don't know what the hell they want. Attention? I'm not really giving them any once I realize they're flakes. If they were interested they would make it happen. Then again, if they wanted to be friends they would too. I just don't know what to make of it all.

It's harsh to say, but you're a nice enough guy that they get the attention and recognition they seek, but you're not interesting enough to do these kinds of things with.

But to what end? I'm not having long conversations with them. I'm not even showing much interest other than "Sure, we can hang out. Want to grab a drink this weekend?"
And when I do ignore them they just try harder. I just don't get it.

That's because they like the attention, but aren't interested in you. It's plainly not a nice thing to do, but people with insecurities will do these kind of things. Instead of ignoring, which is basically just pouting, you need to be firm. You need to tell them that you don't appreciate the way they treat you. Tell them you wouldn't mind going for a drink with them, but the way they keep flaking, tell them to not bother you unless they have time to not flake.

It may feel iffy being stern with girls, but it is what you're lacking. Being the nice guy that's always there may seem morally right and objectively like what you should do. But it doesn't create attraction. Even in that case, you need to think about yourself. If you want them as only friends, you then have the ability to say "I think it's rude to flake on plans you have with a friend". If you don't ask for anything, you won't get much.

The friend I have who is the best friend I know, and I mean the one that's best at being a friend, despite not being my best friend, is very much like this. He used to have a lot of people over during weekends, before they all went out. If someone behaved inappropriately, he'd say "either you change the way you are, right now, or I'm going to throw you out of my home". It's very fair, but also stern. The fact that it's fair means people will understand the sentiment. The fact that you're stern, combined with generally being a great guy, like this guy is, shows that he'll be a great friend so long as you treat him with respect. I cannot see a reason to settle for any less.

He did this to me, once, too. I flaked on some plans, and he told me it upset him. He had turned down someone else who asked if they should hang to hang with me. I felt bad for flaking on him, and understood his sentiment perfectly. It just showed that you expect some respect.

Be the same way with girls. You're not a doormat. You're a great guy that deserves to be treated without getting mixed signals. Don't bother about what creates the mixed signals, just tell them straight up that you don't appreciate being given mixed signals. If you also do tell them off and say that there's no point in contacting you unless they do wish to hang, you'll either have these ungrateful people out of your life, or, more likely, they'll contact you and suggest it themselves, next time.

You need to get a streak of edge going for you. I was hanging with a girl some days ago, and she just took a sip of my drink. I said that that was very rude and asked if they didn't have manners where she came from. It was kind of playful, but at the same time, she understood that I meant it. When she later tried to go for a sip, I took the glass away from her and said "nope, you're going to have to ask nicely." She did some uncontrite "can I PLEAASE have some?" and I said "no, you have to be contrite and sincere". It just shows that I'm not just another guy she can steamroll, as it seems she's used to facing.

This has nothing to do with 'being a bad boy', but more that you dare admit you're looking out for yourself. Sure, we like being there for others, but as I just said we like it. I'm there for others because I think it's interesting trying to help them out in troubled situations and understand what's going on, much like the reason why I'm in this thread. So I think it's fun. Trying to play it off as some altruistic and that I do this to be nice is kind of short-sighted. It's just that when we admit that it's ultimately for ourselves that we do many things, we can also see that we like being there for girls because we feel it might get us somewhere when we show how nice we are. But if you think that you should just do that and then they will simply love you, you're being short-sighted. You're already doing this for yourself, so why not also lay down some ground-rules that you won't be steamrolled by girls that try to steal your attention while they need it. Or your drink? Or anything that they really should treat with more respect? Why not demand that back.

That's often what people mean when they say 'stop being a nice guy', but they also wrongly pair it with 'girls like bad boys'. They do, because "bad boys" have those things that challenge them. They might not mind saying straight out they think they're being silly. So disregard the "bad boy" crap, and rather be stern with yourself and with girls. Lest you want to be a doormat. I could respect that. But then one shan't complain. Or something. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Hey Septimius!

Once again thanks for the input! I get what you're saying! Hmmm... I definitely would like to continue to pursue her, so at least I know that I tried rather than watching from the sidelines. As such, it would nice to hear some input on how to pursue her. But like you said, I still find it strange that she would decide against seeing her boyfriend and stay in the states. Originally, she was thinking of chilling with her friends for spring break but since they are going to the beach and she isn't much of a beach person she decided to go on a road trip. Speaking of that, the both of us will be headed to Nor Cal for spring break, and we already have most of the accommodations planned! I wonder how this trip will end up being?

Septimius, spot on assessment about me being "uncertain", it's just the fact that she still has a boyfriend kind of bugs me and makes it hard to do anything significant. And yet, we've been snapchatting, chatting, and etc (if that even matters). Argh... I guess I'll see what happens during spring break. :/

The 'wait and see' approach is problematic, too, because you are her tossing-ball now. She knows you're there. Not to say that there isn't mutual attraction, it's just the fact that she has the upper hand, and can feel that.

No matter what, it's important that you show her that you're not about to be bullshitted. You're not there to comfort her when she's away from her boyfriend. You need to show her that if she just takes her sweet time, she'll risk losing you. That's what I did in the similar situation with my ex. She introduced me to some friends, and I really got a long with them. I put on a more flirty approach to one of them, and we had some good fun. That threw my ex for a bit of a loop, because she hadn't considered the fact that I was a great catch that more girls would be interested in. I don't remember if I wrote this or ended up not in my last post, but doing this was so powerful, that my ex even imagined seeing us doing footsies under a table later in the evening. She was basically devastated, because she suddenly felt she could lose me to another girl. She sent me a document where she poured her heart out, and said "I just have to say this, and maybe it'll work, maybe it won't". That essentially moved everything forwards, but the forcing of her hand was what was poignant.

This is basically just you being more assertive in the way things are moving. If you can indirectly show her that you're not just gonna hang around forever, that'd be good. Another thing that would be great would be if you said something like "given the circumstances, I don't think we should be hanging out during spring break". That has you saying that you're not comfortable being romantic with someone in a relationship, while it'll force her hand, because it shows that you've been there so far, but that now, you're no longer comfortable.

The problem with doing this is that it'll increase the chance of her picking in your favor. "Oh, that sounds great!" you say, but the thing is that you withdrawing will create an attraction and desire to be with you. This goes back to the fact that I can guarantee that the old boyfriend would be a problem. But at the same time, if you don't do this, she'll have the upper hand, and you'll be at huge risk of the same thing happening with you, in the future.

A transition like this demands reflection, which sadly seems lacking. There are tons of traps with such a relationship. At any rate, start focusing more on yourself. Be fair but stern. If you're not comfortable with the way she treats you, you should let her know. If you allow her to treat you in a way that thwarts your feeling of wanting to attempt to build something more, she's misusing you. Just look out for yourself.

First, let me preface that we're both in the fire department together. She and her friend are in the EMS, while I'm a fresh probie (rookie) firefighter.

I met her under strange circumstances on Thanksgiving Eve. I had just kissed her friend since I thought she wasn't interested in me. We were both drunk and admitted to each other how cute we both thought the other one was. While I was interested in her friend, I was more interested in her. I'll admit that it was due in large part to how much prettier she was. She had a nice smile.

After giving a difficult explanation to her friend, and getting her friend's blessing, we started seeing each other in early December. Things were good, but she did not want to put a name on anything.

We'd see each other once or twice a week. However, members of the department started to catch on pretty quickly. Rumors started to fly, and some of our more affectionate moments got exaggerated. Having said that, I was really excited about everything and definitely had a hand in spreading some of those moments through members who I thought were friends.

Fast forward to the end of December. I overslept our breakfast date by nearly an hour. I made it, but she was sitting in a booth, waiting for me. I felt horrible, but she seemed to understand. I hadn't slept the few days prior. I promised it wouldn't happen again. But it happened again a few weeks ago. I missed a simple hangout session by 40 minutes.

As I said earlier, she didn't want to put a name on anything. As the minutes approached to our simple hangout session I was conflicted. We'd been seeing each other for a few months. Valentines Day was the day before and I wasn't sure if I should get her a card or not. It took me 40 minutes to come to a decision and I should have been more up front with her earlier, instead of making her wait again. Suffice to say, seeing her at the door that night 40 minutes late was the last straw.

We met about a week ago to talk things over and she broke it off with me. I took full responsibility for the rumors, the lateness, and my lack of communication. She said she still really liked me, but between my actions, her schoolwork, and our jobs, that it wouldn't really work out right now. Having said that, she said there's good promise that we could get together in the future. I'm not anticipating it, but I'm still conflicted since she still wants to remain close friends. For instance, she still wants to go to the department's comedy show together next weekend, and I'm not sure if that's the right move given the fact that I really like her. Although I guess I will be seeing her a lot either way.

What's your whole take on the situation? How should I handle it all? Have you had similar situations? What's the ratio of it working out to making things worse?

You need to distance yourself. Being late twice should be no grounds to break up. If the workplace rumors were too much, that's a shame, but some people do value their career a lot, and if you were in the beginning of something, then I could definitely see that as a rational course of action. It seems the tardiness was just underlining what she was already feeling; that you were a bit haphazard and not reflecting upon how telling what you'd done to your friends would of course make rumors, and that she might not enjoy that. That's done, though, so give her the space she's asked for. But you really should also ask for more space for yourself. It's going to be strange enough seeing each other at work, and if you are going to do social things on the side of that, I fear that one party - likely you - will end up having growing feelings, and will be hurt. I'd definitely recommend politely declining hanging out with her on the grounds that you have feelings for her. Then you're honest about how you feel, while you take care of yourself and don't just go where she wants to. The 'being together in the future' is also irrelevant, and you need to put it behind you, so you are open to meeting new girls, instead of waiting for what-could-have-been
 
How long do you guys wait before asking a girl you met through online dating out on a real date? We talked over email for 2 days, she gave me her number and she added me on facebook, texted til late last night.

I guess I should treat it the same as if we met and talked on facebook.
 
How long do you guys wait before asking a girl you met through online dating out on a real date? We talked over email for 2 days, she gave me her number and she added me on facebook, texted til late last night.

I guess I should treat it the same as if we met and talked on facebook.

Ask her out already! Go for it man!
 
I just de-activated my OKC. There aren't that many girls around my age (19) in my area and I feel like taking a break from online dating will help me focus more on the people I interact with daily or see every day. It'll give me more motivation to speak to them and whatnot. Besides, my message-back rate was really shit. :/ Oh well.

It's probably the best move, online dating isn't really a thing that 19 year old girls do, generally speaking.
 
It's probably the best move, online dating isn't really a thing that 19 year old girls do, generally speaking.
Oh, I don't know, most of my interactions online have been with 18-23 mostly, and most of them in the lower areas I think. Of course, they might not be there looking for a husband or whatever. Not awesome conversationalists either.

Like I said the other day, online dating is better as a side dish to the main course which is IRL. Even if you prefer online dating to clubs or whatever for whatever reason, that's all the more reason not to do online dating, because irl socializing will always trump online and make one a better stronger person. All reasons are nothing but excuses imho. Get out there and keep online sites as a supplement. You're gonna have to get out in the wild eventually anyway, and you'll be eaten alive if you can't handle it. Don't hide behind a screen, go out there and practice with real people and real interactions until it doesn't scare or tire you anymore (for you introverts in here).
 
So...a little over a month and a half into the relationship. I'm basically living at the GF's now. I've slept at home one night in the past 3 weeks. Now my roommate says he's moving out in May so I may have to find myself a new place. I don't want to rush into things and I don't really want to bring it up for a little while at least, but how soon is too soon for moving in together? May would be the 4 month mark.

I mean, I'm telling myself that on paper it seems too soon. But having to find myself a place and sign a lease agreement when we're already basically living together seems kind of pointless and annoying.
 
or tire you anymore (for you introverts in here).

Introversion means that a person gets tired from interacting with others no matter what, so it's not really something that can be changed :p what can be changed is their enjoyment of that time spent interacting. I'm an introvert but enjoy spending time with others. I just need some alone time at some point in the day to gather my thoughts.

I mean, I'm telling myself that on paper it seems too soon. But having to find myself a place and sign a lease agreement when we're already basically living together seems kind of pointless and annoying.

Tell her your situation and ask if she'd be cool with it. I don't think that can really be interpreted as weird or odd.
 
So...a little over a month and a half into the relationship. I'm basically living at the GF's now. I've slept at home one night in the past 3 weeks. Now my roommate says he's moving out in May so I may have to find myself a new place. I don't want to rush into things and I don't really want to bring it up for a little while at least, but how soon is too soon for moving in together? May would be the 4 month mark.

I mean, I'm telling myself that on paper it seems too soon. But having to find myself a place and sign a lease agreement when we're already basically living together seems kind of pointless and annoying.

I wouldn't ask her or even hint at it. If you tell her the problem in casual conversation, then just leave it at that and look for a space. It's weird to invite yourself to live at someone's place even if you practically are already.
 
I wouldn't ask her or even hint at it. If you tell her the problem in casual conversation, then just leave it at that and look for a space. It's weird to invite yourself to live at someone's place even if you practically are already.

I definitely wouldn't impose or invite myself over. I'd just ask her what she thinks of moving in together. Whether that means moving in to her place or finding a new place is something else altogether.

In any case, if I do broach the subject, it won't be for another month or so.
 
It's harsh to say, but you're a nice enough guy that they get the attention and recognition they seek, but you're not interesting enough to do these kinds of things with.

I think you're assuming a lot throughout this post, but this one sums it up. I appreciate the thought you put into all this but I'm not a nice guy. I'm kind, but I don't put up with bullshit. Which is why I only respond to them and rarely ever contact them first. I have called many people out on it (one of these girls included), and no matter how gentle I am they always take it harshly. So it's not a "Wow, he's standing his ground" it's "I'm gonna disappear for a while, he probably hates me".

And I think the fact they are trying to reach out to me proves they think I'm interesting. But our society has become a bunch of wishy-washy pansies that can't follow through on any sort of plans, and I keep running into the bulk of it. It's not just these women, most of my friends are exactly the same way. You're probably right that I should just ignore or plan away their offers given their track record, but I'm a go getter. I hate turning down opportunities to go out and do stuff. So in these cases my options are 25% chance I'll actually hang out with one of these girls, or 100% chance of staying home wishing I was out doing something. I'll take the former every time. Can you really fault me?

You're a great guy that deserves to be treated without getting mixed signals. Don't bother about what creates the mixed signals, just tell them straight up that you don't appreciate being given mixed signals.

I'm absolutely oblivious on signals in the first place, but how would you even word something like that? Way I'm seeing it you're either scaring off a girl that's interested because she's not giving you the right signals, or scaring off a friendly girl because you're demanding signals.
 
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Hey Septimius!

In essence, what I should be doing is forcing her hand and make her want me more by being less available and chilling with other females?

Actually... the situation might have changed. Apparently, she broke up with her boyfriend/"taking a break with my boyfriend....". Though I think the problem that arises is whether or not she's actually broken up with the boyfriend or not, or is this really a cool down period between the two individuals. At the same time, i'm slightly skeptical that she's actually broken up because she said: "broke up/taking a break" which means there's a slight chance of rekindling. But at the same time, I want to be with her for sure! And from our recent conversation the atmosphere seemed to have changed in a good way, and well... she seems to be more concerned about me. And last night, she's like you should come visit me tonight and i'm like alright - totally down since I finished a massive project. We ended up going out to dinner, went back to her place and did a ton of research pertaining to spring break and had everything planned out; in addition, we ended up watching The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Lastly, it was raining really hard last night and she's like wow I feel really bad (and I was ready to walk back home) but she's like why don't you stay at my place until tomorrow morning. And I'm like are you sure? She's like yeah, and I ended up sleeping at her place and went back home when I woke up. I mean wouldn't you agree that she enjoys my company, or interested? Or am I the rebound guy?
 
You need to distance yourself. Being late twice should be no grounds to break up. If the workplace rumors were too much, that's a shame, but some people do value their career a lot, and if you were in the beginning of something, then I could definitely see that as a rational course of action.

It seems the tardiness was just underlining what she was already feeling; that you were a bit haphazard and not reflecting upon how telling what you'd done to your friends would of course make rumors, and that she might not enjoy that. That's done, though, so give her the space she's asked for. But you really should also ask for more space for yourself. It's going to be strange enough seeing each other at work, and if you are going to do social things on the side of that, I fear that one party - likely you - will end up having growing feelings, and will be hurt.

I'd definitely recommend politely declining hanging out with her on the grounds that you have feelings for her. Then you're honest about how you feel, while you take care of yourself and don't just go where she wants to. The 'being together in the future' is also irrelevant, and you need to put it behind you, so you are open to meeting new girls, instead of waiting for what-could-have-been

Thanks for the response.

I've been thinking things over since reading this last night. You're totally right. I should call off the meetup next week. It's a department event and I'm sure rumors and whispers will be flying. I don't think it would be the smartest move for me as well. I'll probably get excited again and have myself mixed up. I'm just not sure how to tell her since she already confirmed she would go after she broke things off.

I think she legitimately wants to be friends. She's friends with a lot of seedy guys who text her disgusting things constantly. It rubs me the wrong way, but I guess she wants to avoid conflict. I'm assuming it's something similar here, but I'm not sure about that.
 
Hey Septimius!

In essence, what I should be doing is forcing her hand and make her want me more by being less available and chilling with other females?

Actually... the situation might have changed. Apparently, she broke up with her boyfriend/"taking a break with my boyfriend....". Though I think the problem that arises is whether or not she's actually broken up with the boyfriend or not, or is this really a cool down period between the two individuals. At the same time, i'm slightly skeptical that she's actually broken up because she said: "broke up/taking a break" which means there's a slight chance of rekindling. But at the same time, I want to be with her for sure! And from our recent conversation the atmosphere seemed to have changed in a good way, and well... she seems to be more concerned about me. And last night, she's like you should come visit me tonight and i'm like alright - totally down since I finished a massive project. We ended up going out to dinner, went back to her place and did a ton of research pertaining to spring break and had everything planned out; in addition, we ended up watching The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Lastly, it was raining really hard last night and she's like wow I feel really bad (and I was ready to walk back home) but she's like why don't you stay at my place until tomorrow morning. And I'm like are you sure? She's like yeah, and I ended up sleeping at her place and went back home when I woke up. I mean wouldn't you agree that she enjoys my company, or interested? Or am I the rebound guy?

It should be cleared once you've had sex with her.

And the obligatory: why didn't you do her?

Thanks for the response.

I've been thinking things over since reading this last night. You're totally right. I should call off the meetup next week. It's a department event and I'm sure rumors and whispers will be flying. I don't think it would be the smartest move for me as well. I'll probably get excited again and have myself mixed up. I'm just not sure how to tell her since she already confirmed she would go after she broke things off.

I think she legitimately wants to be friends. She's friends with a lot of seedy guys who text her disgusting things constantly. It rubs me the wrong way, but I guess she wants to avoid conflict. I'm assuming it's something similar here, but I'm not sure about that.

You need to take care of you first. If going to that event will hurt you, don't go.
 
So in these cases my options are 25% chance I'll actually hang out with one of these girls, or 100% chance of staying home wishing I was out doing something. I'll take the former every time. Can you really fault me?
One thing I realized, after I cut out one girl who acted the same as your "friends" are, is that you get the type of friends you want to get. If you feed this type of behavior then you will be disappointed. I would call them up and let them know that you're no longer going to accept the flaking, and that next time they want to hangout then onus is on them to make a plan. If they do it, cool; if not, well, they never had an intention at all by that point.

But yeah, I don't blame you.
 
One thing I realized, after I cut out one girl who acted the same as your "friends" are, is that you get the type of friends you want to get. If you feed this type of behavior then you will be disappointed. I would call them up and let them know that you're no longer going to accept the flaking, and that next time they want to hangout then onus is on them to make a plan. If they do it, cool; if not, well, they never had an intention at all by that point.

But yeah, I don't blame you.

I'm branching out like no other but even the new people I meet are like that. I've come to accept it as the way people are. If I cut them all out, I'll literally have nobody to do anything with. So I just shoot out mass texts and hope one or two will show. Mitigate the flakes by stopping contact after a certain amount of bails. I understand people are busy so I'm somewhat lenient, but there is a hard line where they need to come to me if they want to do anything.

Reason I brought this up in the first place is two of them are texting me looking to hang out. Pretty much said "You're not going to flake this time right?" so maybe I'll have dinner with one of them tonight. The other I'm supposed to get a drink with tomorrow. Thing is, neither of these girls are at a stage where I care enough to get at them about flaking. And if they do I'll just stop contact, no skin of my nose. I'm just trying to figure out what the deal is. It's like an epidemic these days. I'm definitely not a doormat, maybe they just can't decide what they think of me yet. Both were (are?) in quasi relationships. So there's that.
 
Both were (are?) in quasi relationships. So there's that.

That probably contributes a lot to their flaking and indecisiveness. In any event making actual friends is hard, let alone getting a relationship. You're not doing anything wrong though, in fact you're doing exactly what I do, so keep at it dude.
 
Well shit. I've got this date line up tonight, which I've known about for a week or so. It's just a little BYOB painting class, so I figured it wasn't the most popular thing in the world so I kept putting off buying my ticket. She had bought hers last week, and now it's sold out. I guess I'll have to call them up today and beg them to let me in, otherwise I'll just end up looking like an ass.
 
I think you're assuming a lot throughout this post, but this one sums it up. I appreciate the thought you put into all this but I'm not a nice guy. I'm kind, but I don't put up with bullshit. Which is why I only respond to them and rarely ever contact them first. I have called many people out on it (one of these girls included), and no matter how gentle I am they always take it harshly. So it's not a "Wow, he's standing his ground" it's "I'm gonna disappear for a while, he probably hates me".

And I think the fact they are trying to reach out to me proves they think I'm interesting. But our society has become a bunch of wishy-washy pansies that can't follow through on any sort of plans, and I keep running into the bulk of it. It's not just these women, most of my friends are exactly the same way. You're probably right that I should just ignore or plan away their offers given their track record, but I'm a go getter. I hate turning down opportunities to go out and do stuff. So in these cases my options are 25% chance I'll actually hang out with one of these girls, or 100% chance of staying home wishing I was out doing something. I'll take the former every time. Can you really fault me?

I am assuming a lot of things, because I have little to go off. So I can rephrase what I said to this: you're a good enough guy that they get the attention and recognition they seek, but they're not attracted enough to you to do these kinds of things with you.

But one thing's for sure. Girls that wants to hang out with a guy won't flake. I have no indication that "society is a bunch of wishy-washy pansies that can't follow through". Maybe you're not a nice guy, but you're not interesting to these girls. It's really simple. If you like someone, you wish to hang out with them. You might once in a while genuinely not have the time, but just the same way I've always managed to find time for dates with girls I want to go on a date with, any girl will do the same. The fact that you keep running into the same sentiment, even from your friends, is a reflection on who you are. I'm gonna go back through and read the post again, and see if I can reassess it, but I'll take it from where I feel it now in this post.

I have friends that are more pushy about hanging out than others. Those are the plans I flake on. It's something about the way they present it, and how much of a hassle it seems to me to go through with the plans. If a friend is pushing for it more than I am, I can easily withdraw and postpone the plans. The "go getter" thing is irrelevant, because you can go get all you want, but if that's pushing on others, you're just being oblivious to how other people work, and you end up sitting at home 100% of the time, instead of judging situations better and not have people flake. I suggested you should make people aware that you don't like being treated without respect, like being flaked on. However, you say they are rather scared away. That makes it sound like you're being a dick, more than anything. If you are like "hey, hey, hey, wanna hang out? How about now?" - as a clear over-exaggeration to how it might be perceived - and then go "FINE!" when they say no, then that's not really want I'm referring to.

I see you've made a post later to this, where you say you have met a lot of new people, but they're all like that. I need to be frank, here. It might seem brazen, but it's my assessment. People aren't like that. It reflects on you.

I'm absolutely oblivious on signals in the first place, but how would you even word something like that? Way I'm seeing it you're either scaring off a girl that's interested because she's not giving you the right signals, or scaring off a friendly girl because you're demanding signals.

A girl that's interested will give you the right signals. If she isn't, it's not worth it, because that would be a girl that's trying to deceive you. And, yeah, it can be very hard to read signals. Friendly signals are perfectly fine if you want to get to know this girl as a friend, too. Also, not everyone can like you. Be true to who you are, and don't be concerned with what girls end up hanging around or not. It's really hard to scare away girls that actually like you. You say you're oblivious to signals, yet you complained that mixed signals is all you get. Maybe you react too strongly to positive signals. You can't ask a girl out the moment she shows interest for you.

Hey Septimius!

In essence, what I should be doing is forcing her hand and make her want me more by being less available and chilling with other females?

Actually... the situation might have changed. Apparently, she broke up with her boyfriend/"taking a break with my boyfriend....". Though I think the problem that arises is whether or not she's actually broken up with the boyfriend or not, or is this really a cool down period between the two individuals. At the same time, i'm slightly skeptical that she's actually broken up because she said: "broke up/taking a break" which means there's a slight chance of rekindling. But at the same time, I want to be with her for sure! And from our recent conversation the atmosphere seemed to have changed in a good way, and well... she seems to be more concerned about me. And last night, she's like you should come visit me tonight and i'm like alright - totally down since I finished a massive project. We ended up going out to dinner, went back to her place and did a ton of research pertaining to spring break and had everything planned out; in addition, we ended up watching The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Lastly, it was raining really hard last night and she's like wow I feel really bad (and I was ready to walk back home) but she's like why don't you stay at my place until tomorrow morning. And I'm like are you sure? She's like yeah, and I ended up sleeping at her place and went back home when I woke up. I mean wouldn't you agree that she enjoys my company, or interested? Or am I the rebound guy?

She likes you. You're not a rebound. But you've read what I've written. This has nothing to do with being a rebound. I think you can safely win this girl over. But, I'm more and more certain that the ex or "the on a break" guy will be back in some capacity. The fact that she's "kind of on a break or maybe broken up or whatever" underlines that she isn't reflected enough to break it off with this guy, as she should. She can't cut that cord, and that speaks to her being uncertain and insecure. This is likely to bite you in the ass.

In essence, you should show her that you're not a guy that she can just have on a leash. It's not about really 'being less available', but yes, that's one way one can achieve it. She needs to understand that you're a great guy she needs to be willing to bet on, if she wants to be with you. However, I'd predict that this situation dissipates into nothing as she will be able to keep you around. The fact that she has the upper hand, still, will make her not put everything on you. At some point, the ex will be a factor again, and you'll end up being hurt.

What can you do to prevent this? Call off the situation. Tell her to figure out if she wants to be with her current boyfriend or not, and not have that "on a break" stuff going. Tell her to figure herself out, and let it cool down for a few months between you two. Then she can properly close off her last relationship. If you really like her, she can wait a couple of months, can't she? Believe me, you'll be a lot better off from it. Even if she decides against being with her ex, the time between that and you will have ruined the balance of the relationship. Then all signs points to the same thing happening with you as happened with her ex.

If you tell her to figure out her own stuff first, then get back to you if she wants to see what could happen between you two, you'll be doing yourself and her a huge favor. And it is about the only way I think you two could work out long term. She needs time to work out her own things, or else she'll be able to keep this upper hand. When someone always has the upper hand in a relationship, it's only a matter of time until the relationship is over.

Thanks for the response.

I've been thinking things over since reading this last night. You're totally right. I should call off the meetup next week. It's a department event and I'm sure rumors and whispers will be flying. I don't think it would be the smartest move for me as well. I'll probably get excited again and have myself mixed up. I'm just not sure how to tell her since she already confirmed she would go after she broke things off.

I think she legitimately wants to be friends. She's friends with a lot of seedy guys who text her disgusting things constantly. It rubs me the wrong way, but I guess she wants to avoid conflict. I'm assuming it's something similar here, but I'm not sure about that.

I think it's not right when guys have rude advances towards girls, but it seems these go to the girls that don't reject those advances but kind of just brushes them off. I think the other type of girls gives a chastising rebuke, instead of just being friends with them. But, hey, we all have insecurities, and we deal with them differently. She might say and mean that she wants to be your friend, but it's definitely not where you are at the moment. Get your space, find your balance, then you can see if you want her in your life in a friend capacity.
 
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Hey Septimius,

I'll definitely try to confront her about the boyfriend and see how the situation plays out with the boyfriend. After going to her place a few times already, I've noticed that a few things had changed most noticeably was the pictures of her BF were completely gone from her desk.

So last night, we were joking around about something related to tissues which ended up with her giving me a box of tissues (which I didn't expect because I thought she wouldn't have follow through). But prior to that, she was like "heyy, what are you up to? wanna come over to share a bottle of red with me?" and I was like sure, but I sensed that something was wrong and asked if everything was alright. She was like "Yeah...just looking for someone to drink with... don't ask!" And so, the moment I walked into her place she's like here I have a present for you! She gives me box a tissue where she gift wrapped it and wrote a small note on the box. Afterwards, we finished the bottle of wine and ended up watching Tron Legacy and The Dark Knight and we didn't sleep till 5am. She was like heyy you can stay over if you want! I'm like are you sure? She's like yeahh! I feel bad if you walked back home at 5am! I'm like ummm sure! When we woke up we ended up talking and lying in bed for over 2 hours... haha. And later tonight we're going out to a nice dinner and drinks! I think I definitely have a chance!
 
I am assuming a lot of things, because I have little to go off.

True. And you're not going to get a good read of my personality through any of my posts. Not only because I sum up a lot of complicated situations to avoid long winded paragraphs, but personality wise I'm a bit of a conundrum. It's actually done quite well for me, even if I have terrible luck in the dating scene.

But one thing's for sure. Girls that wants to hang out with a guy won't flake. I have no indication that "society is a bunch of wishy-washy pansies that can't follow through".

First part: Very true. Which is why I quickly cut them out of my life. Even if they try to sneak back in. Second part: You're lucky then. I'm a twenty something in California, and it's standard round these parts. And asking around it's the same story, so I'm not the only one running into it. Might be my circles though.

A girl that's interested will give you the right signals. If she isn't, it's not worth it, because that would be a girl that's trying to deceive you. And, yeah, it can be very hard to read signals. Friendly signals are perfectly fine if you want to get to know this girl as a friend, too.

I have no idea what to look for, which is why they're always mixed. If I excluded every girl that was confusing like that, I'd never have any to pursue. And I genuinely can't tell the difference between romantic/friendly signals. To me they're all just friendly. I'll still get them out for a drink and gauge the situation from there, but I can't really think of a situation where I thought "Yeah, she's into me" outside of my ex. And even with her I couldn't tell until a little later on.
 
How many times do I have to do the initiative of inviting and starting a plan before the other person do anything?

I have already invited this girl (The one I was talking about earlier, the conservative one) twice, and from my bad experience with girls, me being the initiator doesn't really help in succeeding for a potential date...
 
Hey Septimius,

I'll definitely try to confront her about the boyfriend and see how the situation plays out with the boyfriend. After going to her place a few times already, I've noticed that a few things had changed most noticeably was the pictures of her BF were completely gone from her desk.

So last night, we were joking around about something related to tissues which ended up with her giving me a box of tissues (which I didn't expect because I thought she wouldn't have follow through). But prior to that, she was like "heyy, what are you up to? wanna come over to share a bottle of red with me?" and I was like sure, but I sensed that something was wrong and asked if everything was alright. She was like "Yeah...just looking for someone to drink with... don't ask!" And so, the moment I walked into her place she's like here I have a present for you! She gives me box a tissue where she gift wrapped it and wrote a small note on the box. Afterwards, we finished the bottle of wine and ended up watching Tron Legacy and The Dark Knight and we didn't sleep till 5am. She was like heyy you can stay over if you want! I'm like are you sure? She's like yeahh! I feel bad if you walked back home at 5am! I'm like ummm sure! When we woke up we ended up talking and lying in bed for over 2 hours... haha. And later tonight we're going out to a nice dinner and drinks! I think I definitely have a chance!

I've said you have more than a chance, all along. Just.. just heed my words. It's not that you have to act upon them, but they should be considered. You don't need to confront her about her boyfriend. She won't have anything of content to divulge. She'll be confused for some months to come. I said the things about giving each other a couple of months, because that's the way she can close that chapter of her life. When she doesn't, which she won't do now, no matter how much she 'officially breaks up with him', or anything, this will drag on. At some point she'll compare you to her boyfriend. If that happens, it is something very likely to ruin your relationship, even if you are a much better boyfriend.

So yeah, don't confront her about it. Talk to her about it. You can't keep dating her without knowing what he is and what she wants you to be. She's still controlling the situation. That, especially, does not speak in favor of the relationship between the two of you to last long.

True. And you're not going to get a good read of my personality through any of my posts. Not only because I sum up a lot of complicated situations to avoid long winded paragraphs, but personality wise I'm a bit of a conundrum. It's actually done quite well for me, even if I have terrible luck in the dating scene.

I can tell that you wish to be a conundrum.

First part: Very true. Which is why I quickly cut them out of my life. Even if they try to sneak back in. Second part: You're lucky then. I'm a twenty something in California, and it's standard round these parts. And asking around it's the same story, so I'm not the only one running into it. Might be my circles though.

I had no idea such a cultural disparity could exist.

I have no idea what to look for, which is why they're always mixed. If I excluded every girl that was confusing like that, I'd never have any to pursue. And I genuinely can't tell the difference between romantic/friendly signals. To me they're all just friendly. I'll still get them out for a drink and gauge the situation from there, but I can't really think of a situation where I thought "Yeah, she's into me" outside of my ex.

I have no idea what to look for, either. I can't voice how signals work to me. Yet they make perfect sense. You said there's one person you've been able to see that form. Maybe it means that you know when the signals aren't mixed, and as of yet, you've only gotten mixed signals? They might be mixed signals.

How many times do I have to do the initiative of inviting and starting a plan before the other person do anything?

I have already invited this girl (The one I was talking about earlier, the conservative one) twice, and from my bad experience with girls, me being the initiator doesn't really help in succeeding for a potential date...

The more times, the more likely it is that she's just not that into you. As I said earlier, any girl that wishes to hang out with you will make it happen. I think it's good to take a step out of our comfort zones and ask girls out, but there's no point in hitting our heads against the wall. Especially given the fact that you asked her out, she should be more comfortable asking you out if she wishes.

It all depends on the situation. Gauge it with your heart. If you feel like asking her out again, do it. Since you're here, asking us, it could seem you might feel you've tried all you wish to try?
 
The more times, the more likely it is that she's just not that into you. As I said earlier, any girl that wishes to hang out with you will make it happen. I think it's good to take a step out of our comfort zones and ask girls out, but there's no point in hitting our heads against the wall. Especially given the fact that you asked her out, she should be more comfortable asking you out if she wishes.

It all depends on the situation. Gauge it with your heart. If you feel like asking her out again, do it. Since you're here, asking us, it could seem you might feel you've tried all you wish to try?

Yeah, That is the reason why I have to ask, because I really don't feel like pushing especially if pushing doesn't net me anything in the return. I am asking due to experience, not that I particularly feel I have done enough to make our friendship mutual. Maybe I do feel that, back in mind, but eh...

The problem is; the longer it takes for her not to ask me out the more annoyance I will feel to a point that, if she happen to contact me at a later date to meet up, I cold very well decline that flat out. I just feel she isn't the worth all my thoughts and whatnot about the whole thing, and I feel annoyed towards my self to even be bothered by the situation.

Sigh
 
Yeah, That is the reason why I have to ask, because I really don't feel like pushing especially if pushing doesn't net me anything in the return. I am asking due to experience, not that I particularly feel I have done enough to make our friendship mutual. Maybe I do feel that, back in mind, but eh...

The problem is; the longer it takes for her not to ask me out the more annoyance I will feel to a point that, if she happen to contact me at a later date to meet up, I cold very well decline that flat out. I just feel she isn't the worth all my thoughts and whatnot about the whole thing, and I feel annoyed towards my self to even be bothered by the situation.

Sigh
Dude. The girl doesn't owe you anything. Step back and rethink your whole outlook on what dating is. It wi help with stuff like this.
 
Dude. The girl doesn't owe you anything. Step back and rethink your whole outlook on what dating is. It wi help with stuff like this.

Pardon?

I just feel that I am pushing for something to happen. I am not forcing anything, neither am I expecting her to do something. I am just saying that, judging from previous experience, maybe she isn't into me, or even want to be friend with me, which is understandable. I am just annoyed that I am thinking too hard on the whole thing.

I really don't get this passive aggressive thing you got towards me....

EDIT: Maybe I was harsh on my comments towards meeting her again, so sure I deserve some of the flak!
 
I can tell that you wish to be a conundrum.

It's genuine so I'm not wishing it on myself, but I do enjoy it. I'm not an archetype, but it does get weird even for me. I wear it well though.

I had no idea such a cultural disparity could exist.

It's crazy, but it is what it is. For example: A good friend of mine does something similar to these ladies we're talking about. He'll say "We should hang out" or "Why do we never hang out?", invite him, he'll make an excuse. He has even got angry at me because we never do anything and I called him out on it. It does feel like I live in crazytown most times.

I have no idea what to look for, either. I can't voice how signals work to me. You said there's one person you've been able to see that form. Maybe it means that you know when the signals aren't mixed, and as of yet, you've only gotten mixed signals? They might be mixed signals.

I did, but that was after a couple of dates. I can pick up on obvious stuff, like holding your hand or resting her head on your shoulder. Glaring stuff you can't miss. But when I first meet them or try to hang out? The courtship stages? Absolutely clueless. Even with my ex I had no clue until she kissed me.

And I'm really hoping I just can't notice signals. Because if I'm just not getting them I might as well call it quits right now. Late twenties with a lot going for me. If only one girl in that time was interested in me, I'm pretty fucked.
 
Is it better to call or text/WhatsApp a girl when you wanna ask her out? I had nearly settled on the former but a few friends discouraged me saying that it might be too intimidating.
 
Is it better to call or text/WhatsApp a girl when you wanna ask her out? I had nearly settled on the former but a few friends discouraged me saying that it might be too intimidating.

It's best to do it in person, but it's all relative. Some girls hate phone calls, so a text might be better.
 
Is it better to call or text/WhatsApp a girl when you wanna ask her out? I had nearly settled on the former but a few friends discouraged me saying that it might be too intimidating.

Impossible to say. If the most of you time you interact, it's by hanging out, you should ask her then. If you text a lot, ask her via text. If you call a lot, ask her via phone. If you never really talk to her on the phone, then it will be slightly off-putting if you call. The more comfortable they are with you, the more likely they are to make an informed decision, and not just decline or accept because they feel put on the spot.

Yeah, That is the reason why I have to ask, because I really don't feel like pushing especially if pushing doesn't net me anything in the return. I am asking due to experience, not that I particularly feel I have done enough to make our friendship mutual. Maybe I do feel that, back in mind, but eh...

The problem is; the longer it takes for her not to ask me out the more annoyance I will feel to a point that, if she happen to contact me at a later date to meet up, I cold very well decline that flat out. I just feel she isn't the worth all my thoughts and whatnot about the whole thing, and I feel annoyed towards my self to even be bothered by the situation.

Sigh

Asking her out has no intrinsic value. It's down to how you handled the situation, so if she doesn't ask you out, it's because she doesn't want to.

I think I am gonna ask her out again and see where it goes. Thanks guys!

Try doing a slightly different approach from last time. If you've plainly asked her out before, maybe try to diffuse it by suggesting hanging out in a way that doesn't really imply a date. Try being more laid back? Just building up a better rapport with her before asking her out again? Like talk with her and just have some fun talking with her. Then when she's thinking "I like talking with this guy", you ask if she would like to join you at the whatever thing you were thinking. Wording it like "would you like to go out some time" might make a higher threshold for her to say yes, so it can be smart to put it in a casual way will still achieve the same things as a date.

And I'm really hoping I just can't notice signals. Because if I'm just not getting them I might as well call it quits right now. Late twenties with a lot going for me. If only one girl in that time was interested in me, I'm pretty fucked.

What if. Seems like a great time to reassess how you approach girls. I know I'm blunt in my criticism, but I'm just a random guy on the internet that says there's a chance you might be approaching girls in an off-putting way. You can say I'm full of shit and be happy, or you can be a bit introspective and check if you need to improve the picking up on signals, or if you need to meet women in a different way where they send you clearer signals. Maybe you don't dare trust in the signals you pick up on, and instead think they're not clear enough? Maybe girls send you mixed signals because of the way you are?

Maybe being a conundrum isn't such a feat. It would come off as incongruent, no matter how you wish to portray it. If people can't understand where they have you, they won't be able to relate or trust in you. Being a conundrum sounds like a defense mechanism. The way you kind of idolize the fact that you are a conundrum speaks to that. All in all, being open means people can more quickly relate to you, and will trust and like you faster. I mean, shit, I spoke with a girl for 20 seconds last week, before she said "I like you!" (It wasn't with the tiny nod like in "Up", though). The idea is anyway that scrutinizing your own ways does not imply that one is doing something wrong, but one might find that one is. So why not do it?
 
Impossible to say. If the most of you time you interact, it's by hanging out, you should ask her then. If you text a lot, ask her via text. If you call a lot, ask her via phone. If you never really talk to her on the phone, then it will be slightly off-putting if you call. The more comfortable they are with you, the more likely they are to make an informed decision, and not just decline or accept because they feel put on the spot.
It's best to do it in person, but it's all relative. Some girls hate phone calls, so a text might be better.
Cheers. Tomorrow's the last day of the semester so if I see her then I'll ask her in person but if I don't manage to(likely) I'll text her as we've never spoken on the phone before.
 
Lost my virginity yesterday. Couldn't come though because I was nervous as hell.
Congrats! Not that big of a deal--it happens. But now you know the v-card wasn't that big of a deal though.

In related news, been having sex at least once a month since my last breakup. Not too shabby.
 
Is it better to call or text/WhatsApp a girl when you wanna ask her out? I had nearly settled on the former but a few friends discouraged me saying that it might be too intimidating.

i don't understand this mentality. If you can't talk to a girl face to face how on Earth do you expect to get in her pants? Not to mention that this is most likely the reason for guys and girls not knowing what the other "really means" when they communicate.
 
The idea is anyway that scrutinizing your own ways does not imply that one is doing something wrong, but one might find that one is. So why not do it?

Because that's what I've done all my life and I'm sick of it. I've spent too long beating myself up because I was always somehow doing things "wrong" and second guessing myself. I never had any success because I was worrying so much about signals I never actually made any moves. "Oh she's just being friendly", "She's not that into me", any reason to not ask her out. It got me nowhere fast. My approach with women has changed drastically all though out my life and the results have always been the same.
This is the first time I stopped caring and allowed myself to just go for it.
Last night for example, I ran into an old co-worker and chatted her up for a bit. By the end she grabbed my phone and put her own number in it. She is mixed signals incarnate, but I'll take her out for a drink because why the hell not?

As for being a conundrum. That's me, it's who I am. I focused so hard on trying to fit in and be normal all my life. It wasn't until I embraced who I am did people start to gravitate towards me. Now I'm constantly called confident, charming, charismatic. Stuff I wouldn't have believed I'd be called just a couple years back. Pretending to be something I'm not is disingenuous, and a great way destroy my self-esteem. And if you can't love yourself, how is anyone else going to?
 
Seriously though stn, what did you do to this profile? I'm actually getting messages. I have literally talked to more women since Saturday than I did when I had a profile of my own for over two years. The fuck?

Did you ever post a link to it? I'm really curious what he changed it to after all your praise of it.
 
i don't understand this mentality. If you can't talk to a girl face to face how on Earth do you expect to get in her pants? Not to mention that this is most likely the reason for guys and girls not knowing what the other "really means" when they communicate.
How do you expect to meet someone if you don't know where they're going to be? Especially if you meet them at a club/party. You get their number and call/text them to ask them out later.
 
I just de-activated my OKC. There aren't that many girls around my age (19) in my area and I feel like taking a break from online dating will help me focus more on the people I interact with daily or see every day. It'll give me more motivation to speak to them and whatnot. Besides, my message-back rate was really shit. :/ Oh well.

you are 19?! I assumed when I talked to you you were mid-way through your twenties. You are going to get far!
I'd keep the OKC activated if I were you. Your non-judgemental attitude could do wonders if improved with a bit of advice.
I don't know who's the dating coach in fashion at the moment (I've seen some Brent Smith video posted by Minamu and not much else, so I have no idea) but I'd definitely check some of them out and see who fits your stile the most.

i don't understand this mentality. If you can't talk to a girl face to face how on Earth do you expect to get in her pants? Not to mention that this is most likely the reason for guys and girls not knowing what the other "really means" when they communicate.

I was about to post something like this.
Kopite, I think you are making a mistake if you resort to phone communication, whether through text or call. I think the negative feedback you got from the previous thread discouraged you, but let me tell you again: a lot of those people jumped on that thread to feel like big pimps telling you "how it's done" and making fun of you, because while you are out there putting yourself in the line of fire they are safe chit-chatting on dating sites and playing white knight on the internet. They felt threatened by someone who actually had the balls to go for it, because it put them in front of their fears of rejection.
You would actually make a step backwards if you resort to the phone.
Don't underestimate this: the difficulties in dating girls for someone shy or introvert don't magically end once you ask a girl out. After you ask her out on the phone you are going to have to decide which place to go, when to hug her, when to touch her, when to give a her wink or some other signal to establish complicity, when to kiss her, when to get her back to her place: there is no way to make any part of this process a safe process.
Keep doing what you were doing before that awful thread.
A couple of pointers:
as my hairdresser friend says, your hair are your best weapon to get girls' attention, especially if you don't want to pierce any part of your body or get a tribal tattoo on the arm. Your hairstyle is not very.. hip. Try to go for something a bit more... uncomfortable, and I'm not talking about an hairstyle that impairs your view but something a bit more posh, something that would make you stand out a little bit (a little bit ;D).
Also, have a look at this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfMUysuQ60E&feature=player_detailpage#t=5824
This last part is relevant to what I was talking about here, but the entire movie could do you well. Here's the thing: it's about and ad-man who's a clever, smooth talker on the verge of a nervous breakdown after being dumped, and takes it upon himself to teach his nephew how to pull girls. Since he's not in his right mind he does more harm than good, but the movie still manages to be quite challenging in terms of content. It's a movie that shakes people realities, like Fight Club, or Seven, because it's genuine and probably very autobiographic.
Give it a shot.
 
Time for some advice please.

I am currently living in China and have been here for the best part of 4 years. Over the last year I've been with a lovely girl and our relationship for the most part is great. There have been some moments where I have questioned things, we aren't as intimate with one another as I have been with other girls, largely because she is quite traditional. Also there are some cultural barriers socially, but in general we have a happy relationship.

Anyhow the main thing that has been bugging me and what leaves me at a cross roads is that she has very traditional parents and she is not willing to tell them I exist. She comes from a city in China known for arranged marriage and she is scared that I won't meet her parents expectations. On top of this I have a worsening disability and she is afraid her parents won't accept this. She has met my folks and they like her a lot, and I plan to take her to London this summer for a vacation.

However, I am worried about the long term. I don't want to be in China forever, and part of why I want her to come to the UK is to see if she would be comfortable living there. Over the past two weeks we have had two conversations about our future. The first one ended with us deciding to stick it out, but only after I said that I didn't think it can work long term. Last night we talked again, because I felt the resolution to our first conversation was born purely out of an instinctive emotional reaction of not wanting to let go.

So now I am faced with a definitive decision to make. The thought of breaking up with her is horrible but I don't know if is just the emotion triggered by something ending and the thought of being alone again. The other option is to stick it out and travel together this Summer and see how things are at that point. However one thing I am keen to avoid is being indecisive and ending up hurting us more further down the line.

So what do you think I should do? I can't base my decisions on feedback from here, but think it would be good to get some advice.

Thanks.
 
Question about "passion": So I hear alot about passion being an important quality in an attractive partner. But does that necessarily mean passion absolutely required in every aspect of one's life to fulfill such a requirement? For myself, I'd say I have passion for a lot of things in life (friends, hobbies, activities, etc.) however the only thing I can never get it up for is my career or rather where I am now in my career. I'm not actually solidly in the job I actually dream of and I won't be for several years. In essence, it's the only occurrence in my life that I can range from "meh" to down right being bummed about when I realize and dwell on how long I still have to go. If someone you were interested in or that was interested in you, was otherwise happy and passionate with life but cold when the subject of their career came up, do you think that would still be unappealing in terms of their overall personality?
 
Question about "passion": So I hear alot about passion being an important quality in an attractive partner. But does that necessarily mean passion absolutely required in every aspect of one's life to fulfill such a requirement? For myself, I'd say I have passion for a lot of things in life (friends, hobbies, activities, etc.) however the only thing I can never get it up for is my career or rather where I am now in my career. I'm not actually solidly in the job I actually dream of and I won't be for several years. In essence, it's the only occurrence in my life that I can range from "meh" to down right being bummed about when I realize and dwell on how long I still have to go. If someone you were interested in or that was interested in you, was otherwise happy and passionate with life but cold when the subject of their career came up, do you think that would still be unappealing in terms of their overall personality?

I've always thought about it in regards to the relationship itself: will the other person be an active participant, and actually put for the effort for a healthy relationship, or will they just go along for the ride?
 
Alright Dating gaf, I'm coming to you for help.

So I've been hanging out with this girl for about a month and a half now.

Ever since we met we've just been talking non-stop. I mean spending a ridiculous amount of time together and staying up really late just talking. When valentine's day rolled around I got her a necklace and we spent all day together, she wears that necklace all the time now.

We started spending more and more time together, and one day she asked if I wanted to watch a movie with her in her dorm room. I obliged. We're on her bed and she falls asleep on me, I at some point fell asleep too I guess. So I wake up around 4:45AM and just leave because I didn't want her to think I was taking advantage of her or the situation. She texted me later that morning saying that was sweet of me, but I'm always welcome to stay.

So since that night, it has been a regular thing for us to sleep together. We don't hook up, we just sleep and it's kinda nice.

After spending so much time with this girl and sleeping over so many nights, I decided I was going to tell her how I felt about her. So I did, and she kinda burned me. I got the line "You're just that friend to me"

After that night, she just acted like everything was normal and we're still sleeping together. If anything she's been acting more and more like she's into me.

So I have no idea what's going on. But here's the catch. After confessing to her some stuff about my past (cancer survivor, just got through some gnarly PTSD). She tells me she was raped not too long ago.and after spending so much time with her I can tell you, you can kind of tell something was up. I used to have her same symptoms. But she's only told 3 people about it including me. Her parents don't even know.

Any ideas what's going on with this girl? And more importantly, what is my responsibility in the situation? I tried to keep it all brief but let me know if you have any questions I can answer. Just trying to do the right thing.
 
So I just broke up with my girlfriend, and I'm not ashamed to admit I'd like to get back into the game and meet some people. I've been playing around with Tinder, and it's kind of fun and hilarious. I hope this becomes a worldwide phenomenon. Unfortunately I live in a tiny college town, and not a particularly diverse one. Most of the girls here aren't the kind I'm interested in. A lot of blonde girls (I like dark hair, I'm shallow about it) who listen to a mixture of country and top 40, and build their personalities around that.

I met one nice girl, but man my game is shit now. She seems really interested in me but I'm so used to talking to girls like friends now. I dunno how to give the impression that I'm interested without being over-assertive or creepy. I don't even fear rejection; I just feel awkward and unsure about how I used to act as a single guy.

Anyone else played around with Tinder? I thought it was gonna be dumb and horribly shallow, and.. yeah it kind of is, and it's kind of funny, but it still gives you a shared interests list and a written profile, so it's not just "hot or not." I like how they do things, and there are some cool people on there. If you're wanting to meet people I say give it a shot.
 
I feel like a piece of shit for even asking this question, but are high standards in regards to looks immorally vain? I've recently come to the conclusion that I derive more pleasure from being seen with a hot girl than from the girl's looks themselves, if that makes sense. I know it's extremely insecure and self-conscious, so I won't even attempt to deny it.

My ex-wife and the girl I had a little thing with back in December were gorgeous. Both solid 9s if you're into the whole scale/rating thing. Now I've gone out with this new girl a couple of times (and I feel like a total asshole writing this out) who has a pretty face and a great personality (so far), but her body, while not being horrible by any means, isn't that great. I don't really feel any excitement for the idea of her meeting my friends, if it even gets to that point.

Obviously if I ended up falling in love with this girl, looks wouldn't even matter. So I guess my question is this: should I accept my selfish asshole nature and pay attention to these feelings, or do I sound like a fucking insecure lunatic? If anyone has paid attention to my posts in the pic threads, you'll see that I'm no Adonis myself, which makes me feel even more hypocritical and bad :(
 
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