Xane
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Did he really need the nerf then?
I wonder if they boosted this attack's knowback to balance this out.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Did he really need the nerf then?
I wonder if they boosted this attack's knowback to balance this out.
theprodigy
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...so far there's nothing to indicate it's any different from Brawl
Nirvana
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The admitting I probably couldn't think of anything better was me conceding the fact that my statement was essentially redundant, and the (obviously) idealistic comment following wasn't supposed to be serious in any way. Not sure why you took it all to heart so much :/
Also by 'meh', I don't really mean their playability, I'm sure they will be fun to play as, but Mega Man is a character I would look forward to unlocking and playing because of his history as an iconic character; Wii fit trainer is not exactly iconic, her and Villager are basically avatars, representing things rather than actual characers, I don't know who Little Mac is (my fault, of course) and Rosalina is hardly someone I would think of as an exciting addition or an iconic character. Just my personal opinion, saying I'm not that excited to play them.
"Pic of the day. So far, which attack can blast away enemies the most dynamically… Is it King Dedede's fully charged Jet Hammer? Nah, it can't beat the K.O. uppercut. You can damage yourself by overcharging this attack, so watch out."
Why would he compare the power of those two moves, if there wouldn't be very close to another.
Benzychenz
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I can sort of understand this.
Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are alright characters, but they both represent the more casual side of Nintendo which is sort of boring compared to what else Sakurai could pull from. And if Mii's make it in too that'll just be zzzzzzzzzzz.
Rosalina I'm 50/50 on, she's a cool character and all but I'd rather dev time to go someone else.
Little Mac I'm not a fan of but I respect his inclusion as he's a fairly important character to Nintendo.
As for other likely characters, Palutena I feel similarly to Rosalina, and Dixie Kong and Pac-Man I outright just don't like.
I'll be fine with whoever once I know either Shulk or Wonder Red is in.
I like the avatar argument because it basically ignores the fact that Mario was essentially designed to be an avatar for all of Miyamoto's games. This is why they had no problem throwing him into so many game in the past consisting of multiple occupations. Oh yeah, and Mr. Game and Watch.
And the fact WFT isn't one. She's the instructor. Pretty sure the avatar in Wii Fit is one's Mii.
Who have been interesting to compare if Marth had been a revealed character back in the Melee days.
And the fact WFT isn't one. She's the instructor. Pretty sure the avatar in Wii Fit is one's Mii.
So basically Japan consists of people who never heard of Punch-Out and those who do and thus know of its popularity overseas. I mean Captain Rainbow's getting mentions and that sold like six copies so Punch-Out Wii must have performed even worse!
Who have been interesting to compare if Marth had been a revealed character back in the Melee days.
DisconnectD
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Because it is still a powerful move, like Ike's eruption or warlock punch but considering none of those moves can K.O multiple opponents 0-Death, it and no other move comes close to the power of the KO uppercut.
Nirvana
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I didn't say I liked Mr. Game and Watch either to be fair and, it's been a while since Mario was used in that capacity.
Basically the original super smash bros. character roster sets the benchmark for what kind of characters they had in the roster; every playable character was a main character in a major series (F-zero maybe being the least known, and Jigglypuff being possibly the only questionable character despite her constant appearances in the anime). They seem to be getting a bit far away from that when they add characters like R.O.B, Wii Fit Trainer etc.
I actually do know who he is then, seems like a pretty viable addition.
DisconnectD
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Yeah, the avatar argument only really applies to Villager and the inevitable Mii, but even then the Villager'S move set might be one of the freshest and most faithful to it's source game than any smash bros character to date, so it is kind of a moot point. Also, Rosalina is a stand character , with the most in depth and adorable back story of a Mario character , representing one of the most important mario games in Nintendo history so if that isn't iconic, what is?
DisconnectD
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It is a matter of perspective. Wii fit trainer represents the casual side of the wii that sold a bajillion copies and R.O.B and game & watch represent Nintendo's roots, R.O.B being especially important since if it wasn't for him, NES would have flopped overseas. So no, they aren't really deviating , though they may be broadening the representation some whereas before only main characters represented franchises but now some key characters represent entire periods of Nintendo history like Rosalina & WFT & the inevitable and deserving Mii.
Villager - main character
Mega Man - main character
Little Mac - main character
Wii Fit Trainer - face of the game
So that only leaves Rosalina and that's only because the main character is already in the game.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I spam that move when I'm rocking the green bandana. Breakdancing Pikachu ftw.
This. I think they did an excellent job picking the newcomers this time around. They seem focused on covering as many Nintendo franchises as possible. Many of those characters are absolutely essential to Nintendo history.
Pika! I loved that taunt for Pikachu. I guess they changed up Dedede's hammer attack.
GameXplain posted another Little Mac analysis video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQXj4J17vY
My comments on the video:
- The "infinite" not being escaped is probably due to no DI (directional influence) being used
- Heart rate thing appears when Little Mac gets hit, doesn't indicate timing
- That idea of having a Kirby boxing ring is brilliant and would be pretty cool with how they tease Dedede being in the ring constantly
- Star KO and Screen KO are not there because it is a trailer (someone else pointed this out in the thread, don't remember who) and IntelliHeath has already mentioned that this image most likely shows a Screen KO
- Someone in the comments pointed out that when Mega Man and Bowser are KO'd, Little Mac gets some red flashes, I don't remember that being pointed out before
GIF:
And someone else who replied to that comment and said that it probably indicates which character gets the KO.
GameXplain posted another Little Mac analysis video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQXj4J17vY
My comments on the video:
- The "infinite" not being escaped is probably due to no DI (directional influence) being used
- Heart rate thing appears when Little Mac gets hit, doesn't indicate timing
- That idea of having a Kirby boxing ring is brilliant and would be pretty cool with how they tease Dedede being in the ring constantly
- Star KO and Screen KO are not there because it is a trailer (someone else pointed this out in the thread, don't remember who) and IntelliHeath has already mentioned that this image most likely shows a Screen KO
- Someone in the comments pointed out that when Mega Man and Bowser are KO'd, Little Mac gets some red flashes, I don't remember that being pointed out before
GIF:
And someone else who replied to that comment and said that it probably indicates which character gets the KO.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Pika! I loved that taunt for Pikachu. I guess they changed up Dedede's hammer attack.
My comments on the video:
- The "infinite" not being escaped is probably due to no DI (directional influence) being used
- Heart rate thing appears when Little Mac gets hit, doesn't indicate timing
- That idea of having a Kirby boxing ring is brilliant and would be pretty cool with how they tease Dedede being in the ring constantly
- Star KO and Screen KO are not there because it is a trailer (someone else pointed this out in the thread, don't remember who) and IntelliHeath has already mentioned that this image most likely shows a Screen KO
- Someone in the comments pointed out that when Mega Man and Bowser are KO'd, Little Mac gets some red flashes, I don't remember that being pointed out before
GIF:
And someone else who replied to that comment and said that it probably indicates which character gets the KO.
I don't think they changed anything about Dedede's Jet Hamme since it seem/sound exactly same as it is in Brawl.
I really hope that Dedede's Boxing Layout would be unlockable for Punch Out stage, such as like beat adventure mode with Dedede.
So that was KO indicator. I thought red flashes would be apart of his ability to build up the bar like Moxie. KO Indicator would make sense.
WTF? It just gets worse the further I read down too. I guess ever company mascot is a generic avatar.
Red Arremer
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You could argue Rosalina is the, or at least a, main character of the Mario Galaxy series because she is really the only one who encompasses the story and setting of Galaxy, as a character. Mario is the character in the game's title and the protagonist, and Bowser is the villain, but Rosalina is the one who essentially creates the setting and puts the pieces of the plot together. She also at least represents one of Mario's motivations to defeat Bowser (aside of rescuing Peach).
Honestly, it's up to the player, because you can just ignore the entire setting and lore unique to Galaxy by ignoring the observatory. It's all optional. But Rosalina is, really, the central piece of Mario Galaxy in particular, even though the main actors within the setting that Rosalina "creates" are Mario and Bowser.
I actually posted that after 12 AM so I was talking about Thursday's pic. You'll see.
But I didn't say that. I only said Mario because that was what he was. He was originally going to be called Mr. Video and star as a generic avatar for all of Miyamoto's games. It was only when they settled on him being a plumber in the Mushroom Kingdom saving Princess Peach that he started to become a character with a proper story.
Also I don't see why bringing up G&W and pointing out WFT isn't an avatar makes this post worse.
balladofwindfishes
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it is a trailer (someone else pointed this out in the thread, don't remember who) and IntelliHeath has already mentioned that this image most likely shows a Screen KO
- Someone in the comments pointed out that when Mega Man and Bowser are KO'd, Little Mac gets some red flashes, I don't remember that being pointed out before
GIF:
And someone else who replied to that comment and said that it probably indicates which character gets the KO.
Oh wow, Megaman explodes when he dies. That's a neat effect.
Samurai must answer.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm curious about that but I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't exploded if he received Star KO or Screen KO.
They could have it take place in the background when they typically twinkle. That'd be pretty hilarious, actually.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, they should have time out animation for losers, but time out is extremely rare tho.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I think Sonic should have an unique "dying" animation too (maybe when is vertical K.O'd), Something like this:
That would be awesome.
Sonic and Mario's Animation should be assigned to Time Out KO but I can't really think of other characters' animations.
I wish they would implement the time out rules the community uses as an option: most stocks left wins, if stocks the same then least % wins, if that's the same then... play out sudden death? Or do a 1 stock match. Don't even remember. I enjoy sudden death but I kinda wish it was an option for the game to just choose who won based on lives/%.
Which reminds me: the most baffling thing about the Smash Bros. series has to me has always been that time is the default match type. Tripping makes more sense than this. Time matches are universally awful (for item matches, Falcon punch 4 for alls, competitive tournament matches, and every other style of play). Even the game's own single player mode isn't obtuse enough to try and use them. What's more, it's one of those few options that for whatever reason we can't save.
Do any of you guys enjoy/prefer time matches? I know we have a wide range of preferences around here, I'm curious what others think.
With Mega, I don't think he'll have a front screen bounce. Star KO explosion will be perfect though, and better happen.
Which reminds me: the most baffling thing about the Smash Bros. series has to me has always been that time is the default match type. Tripping makes more sense than this. Time matches are universally awful (for item matches, Falcon punch 4 for alls, competitive tournament matches, and every other style of play). Even the game's own single player mode isn't obtuse enough to try and use them. What's more, it's one of those few options that for whatever reason we can't save.
Do any of you guys enjoy/prefer time matches? I know we have a wide range of preferences around here, I'm curious what others think.
With Mega, I don't think he'll have a front screen bounce. Star KO explosion will be perfect though, and better happen.
I think Sonic should have an unique "dying" animation too (maybe when is vertical K.O'd), Something like this:
I was always surprised they didn't do this in Brawl. Such a missed opportunity.
APZonerunner
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It comes back to that friendly for everyone thing, right? In a time match, everybody gets to play to the end, no matter their skill level and regardless of if they're just spawning and getting killed dead right away. On a stock-based modes, lesser players may be out in the first 2 minutes and may have to sit for another 3 or 4 waiting for the match to finish - they'd spend more time watching than playing.
I disagree. If I tend to get killed four times before I can kill them four times, I'll still probably lose a time match. SD counting helps a bit, but I think the skill gap would still carry over.
This makes a lot of sense though. Well said, and I don't know why it's never crossed my mind. It still isn't fun for me, but at least the decision doesn't seem quite as backwards to me. It does make sense in free for all then. In teams share stock would alleviate it though, and in 1v1 it wouldn't be a thing. I can understand the general expectation being four players in a free for all though.
I think I did this for a few months in 64's multiplayer, before I realized all the options I could change. So I could understand missing the menu.
Finding the stock option definitely felt like a big improvement to me.IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
How do y'all felt if Sakurai decided to nerf competitively matches/tournaments by removing stock matches from the options? (It's unlikely to happens but just what if?)
I do not think modern sonic does that, so that maybe it.
I dunno
I think most modern sonic games have the guy fall over or fall to his death.
Mostly the latter.
Dr. Buni
Member
He doesn't, but Modern Sonic in Brawl already incorporate some traits from Classic Sonic, like the "Figure Eight" in his "You're too slow" taunt. It wouldn't be a problem.
Like I mentioned above, I think stock is by FAR the best option for any mode. Even free for all, unless there are huge skill gaps. The rationale is there, but I think even casually stock match are way more fun. I'd still buy the new Smash game, but I'd probably send a couple angry tweets to Sakurai and shelve the game after a few weeks, lol.
Maybe that thing in particular is just something sega doesn't want to do, or forget rather.
Classic sonic is extra dead now
Dr. Buni
Member
That sounds more like the case. They did say they wouldn't use Classic Sonic again after Generations, if I recall correctly. Which is a damn shame :/