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[Blearth]

no it wasn't.

It's most certainly viewed by the community as the worst in the series.

I stopped playing it after a couple of months whereas I still play Melee to this day.

It's a competitive fighting game with boring fighting and broken online. It was awful. It would've been the biggest disappointment of last gen if RE5 wasn't such a turd.

"Terrible," "damaging" games don't sell 12 million copies and garner critical acclaim. Sorry. A few hundred competitive players complaining online about tripping and "floatiness" is inconsequential.

I'm not some high level competitive player. Just a dude who sucks at almost all games. The floatiness takes away all the fun of Melee.

And broken online is fucking inexcusable.

 

[theprodigy]

"Terrible," "damaging" games don't sell 12 million copies and garner critical acclaim. Sorry. A few hundred competitive players complaining online about tripping and "floatiness" is inconsequential.

a few hundred? hahaha
I wonder how many different random GAF posters have to say they dislike Brawl before maybe, just maybe, fanboys stop pulling the "vocal minority" crap out of their ass.

 

[Diprosalic]

IIt's a competitive fighting game .

well the creator doesn't think so..

it was a very very good game. huge amount of content, one of the best soundtracks of any game ever and i played it for 1000h.

a few hundred? hahaha
I wonder how many different random GAF posters have to say they dislike Brawl before maybe, just maybe, fanboys stop pulling the "vocal minority" crap out of their ass.

because it's true.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Brawl took away individual break the target stages.

Fuck that game

 

[hamchan]

For me it's a combination of not having a WiiU and being disappointed in Brawl.

 

[Blearth]

well the creator doesn't think so..

it was a very very good game. huge amount of content, one of the best soundtracks of any game ever and i played it for 1000h.



because it's true.

Yet the basic mechanics were garbage. They fucked up the one thing that matters in a fighting game.

It's not like single player action games where you can make a great game out of mediocore mechanics if you nail the presentation. This is a multiplayer fighting game. The mechanics are everything.

That and being able to find people to play against, which they also royally fucked up.

 

[Dysun]

Blame Brawl.

This and the Wii U are a deadly combo. Don't have faith that it will translate all that well to the 3DS either

 

[Darth Doomguy]

Might just be my imagination but whenever I go into the dojo thread, there appears to be very little excitement. Sure, when there's a new trailer or character revealed things change, but for the most part it appears to me like there's very little hype for SSB4 compared with SSBB.

Put it this way. When Sakurai had his daily updates for SSBB, you'd easily have 10 pages of discussion based on anything that he would post. Now? I casually entered the dojo thread the other day (in the day) to check out what was posted and I only had to go back a single page! Such a thing would never would have happened before.

As for myself, I'm in this really weird state at the moment. On the one hand, there's so many positive things that have been revealed that seem to make the game much more fun that SSBB (increased speed, removal of tripping, better brighter art style) and yet despite that...I'm still kinda meh at the moment.

They need to get people to buy a WiiU before people can get excited for SSB4.

 

[FlynnCL]

Brawl sells like 12 million copies, kills the series.

Smash 4 fills up at least 4 OTs at least 8 months before the game even comes out, there's no hype for it.

What are you people on?

Eh, some people want to believe this game receives no hype because of their own personal feelings, most of which comes from a 6 year old game.

Throughout the millions of views from media surrounding it and already GAF itself is on its 4th OT (more than I've really ever seen for a game so early), it's clear that it's all just fake hype!

This topic is full of people just projecting their lack of hype on everything. It's weird.

 

[Shiggy]

Blame Brawl.

This. The Brawl singleplayer was just such a borefest, can't believe they went with such a random setting when they had all Nintendo franchises avalable.

Another problem that plagues Wii U like no other platform: SSB4 looks like just more of the same.

 

[Toxi]

They need to get people to buy a WiiU before people can get excited for SSB4.

Melee got people to buy a Gamecube.

 

[MYE]

Brawl was terrible. High metacritic score or not.

No it wasn't. Well this is awkward

 

[The End]

Blame the WiiU.

GAF is going to be shocked by how much better the 3DS version does.

 

[Diprosalic]

Yet the basic mechanics were garbage. They fucked up the one thing that matters in a fighting game.

they weren't maybe the game just isn't for you?

 

[A Pretty Panda]

METACRITIC SCORES HOLY SHIT

 

[Tathanen]

"Hey guy's you wanna play some 'for!?!'"

No different from Street Fighter, really. Identified by number first, edition second. 4 [3ds/Wu] in this case.

I'll probably say "Smash 4" out loud. Though realistically I'll just say Smash, and the 4/for will be implicit, since it'll be rare that I ever play anything but the newest one.

64 / Melee / Brawl / 4. Kinda evokes Mario Kart's recent titles. SNES / 64 / Super Circuit / Double Dash / DS / Wii / 7 / 8.

 

[theprodigy]

METACRITIC SCORES HOLY SHIT

We've definitely gone full circle here

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Brawl infinitely had way more hype than this does.

Yup, and for many of us it didn't deserve the hype at the end of things.

Many people are looking at SSB4 with careful eyes.

Depending on how Sakurai manages this project, the floodgates to hype may remain closed.

 

[Blearth]

they weren't maybe the game just isn't for you?

It wasn't for anyone.

To release a flagship multiplayer game in 2008 with broken online is an embarrassment.

All the shit we give BF4 today. Brawl was much much worse.

 

[Kurtofan]

It wasn't for anyone.

To release a flagship multiplayer game in 2008 with broken online is an embarrassment.

All the shit we give BF4 today. Brawl was much much worse.

It was on the Wii, online was pretty much starting for Nintendo on console back then.

 

[theprodigy]

It wasn't for anyone.

To release a flagship multiplayer game in 2008 with broken online is an embarrassment.

All the shit we give BF4 today. Brawl was much much worse.

maybe that's what EA's "unprecedented partnership" was all about, broken online!

It was on the Wii, online was pretty much starting for Nintendo on console back then.

that's not an excuse, considering many other Wii titles already had better online

 

[ec0ec0]

Brawl took away individual break the target stages.

Fuck that game

NOW this is a great "hate brawl" comment.

 

[Blearth]

It was on the Wii, online was pretty much starting for Nintendo on console back then.

It was 2008.

 

[Ryce]

METACRITIC SCORES HOLY SHIT

In the context of this discussion I don't see what the problem is. Brawl was a huge success both financially and critically. It's one thing to dislike Brawl, which I don't have a problem with -- but to claim that it irreparably "damaged" the series is absurdly hyperbolic.

 

[Spinluck]

Don't care about the hype.

I just want the game in my hands.

My friends feel the same way.. what is more concerning is why everyone wants hype. Because that ultimately leads to disappointment most of the time.

 

[BGBW]

Yet the basic mechanics were garbage. They fucked up the one thing that matters in a fighting game.

Spoiler

It's a party game.

 

[theprodigy]

Spoiler

It's a party game.

nice job recycling FGC jokes from 2010

 

[IntelliHeath]

That OT thread has like more posts in it than the entire OT forum.

I'm not sure what you meant but smash 4 have more posts than dojo threads' total.

 

[thefit]

Someone mentioned it but there aren't many wii u owners ad of those who own a wii u not everyone of them is going to buy it which is kinda good in a sense that this odd movement to consider it a fighter even a competitive one can back off a bit now.

 

[Axass]

It wasn't for anyone.

To release a flagship multiplayer game in 2008 with broken online is an embarrassment.

All the shit we give BF4 today. Brawl was much much worse.

Well, you didn't have to pay for the online multiplayer on Wii though.

NOW this is a great "hate brawl" comment.

For real. Still bummed about it to this day.

 

[Jaeger]

It's just you, OP.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Someone mentioned it but there aren't many wii u owners ad of those who own a wii u not everyone of them is going to buy it which is kinda good in a sense that this odd movement to consider it a fighter even a competitive one can back off a bit now.

Help me understand you

 

[Blearth]

Well, you didn't have to pay for the online multiplayer on Wii though.

I did pay $50 for the game though. Expecting a working online system.

 

[Kurtofan]

And it's the same people in it speculating everyday like wild animals.

Anyway, it's because a lot of people were burned off of Brawl and also because some sect of people are like they are with every Nintendo sequel: "woo... another Smash Bros....." (Even though one only comes a generation...)

Yeah, no, it's not like that for every Nintendo sequels, you don't see these threads for other games.

 

[Toxi]

Someone mentioned it but there aren't many wii u owners ad of those who own a wii u not everyone of them is going to buy it which is kinda good in a sense that this odd movement to consider it a fighter even a competitive one can back off a bit now.

It's 2014 and we still have people in denial that a fighting game is a fighting game.

At this point it doesn't even read like snobbery, it reads like lunacy.

 

[NeonZ]

They're only revealing new characters and stages, not new features and such. The new art style (which, for many characters, is just a brighter Brawl) clearly didn't generate much hype either. The initial reveal trailer didn't have nearly as much impact as Brawl's with its new art style, dramatic presentation and the Final Smash's initial reveal.

The new format for the daily updates also results in some updates being just screens, rather than always a new (even if minor) reveal, unlike the Brawl Dojo, which likely results in less people following them. Brawl also had things like the announcement regarding its huge soundtrack, later Subspace Emissary, stage builder, online, etc. This new game so far has nothing about its features outside of two trophy pictures.

It still has a lot of attention in spite of those factors, but I think they help making it receive less attention than Brawl right now.

Someone mentioned it but there aren't many wii u owners

There's a 3ds game too though...

 

[theprodigy]

Yeah, no, it's not like that for every Nintendo sequels, you don't see these threads for other games.

as someone who happens to be among the top posters in those threads, Revven is completely correct

 

[princemarth23]

Well I check for the update every night. It's easily one of, if not my most anticipated game for this year.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

Hard to get excited when I have no idea if it's 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, a year, two years etc away.

I've learned not to hype Nintendo games until I have a solid release date. Even then that's risky business.

This.

Nintendo needs to start setting a date and sticking to it with actual marketing. Even as a huge fan I'm sick of this "oh by the way this game comes out in a month guys" approach. Build some hype dammit!

 

[Axass]

I did pay $50 for the game though. Expecting a working online system.

I'm not saying they're excused. The online sucking major ass in Brawl (according to what I heard, never tried it) is not a good thing. Just saying that comparing it to the trainwreck that is BF4 is preposterous.

 

[Byronic Hero]

Yet the basic mechanics were garbage. They fucked up the one thing that matters in a fighting game.

It's not like single player action games where you can make a great game out of mediocore mechanics if you nail the presentation. This is a multiplayer fighting game. The mechanics are everything.

That and being able to find people to play against, which they also royally fucked up.

Could have been worse. It could have been balanced/designed by Superbot.

 

[Kurtofan]

as someone who happens to be among the top posters in those threads, Revven is completely correct

There are regulars but it's a big hyperbole, there are plenty of people posting.

 

[BGBW]

nice job recycling FGC jokes from 2010

Thanks. Though I feel I should point out that said joke is older than that so I guess the FGC recycled it from elsewhere.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

And it's the same people in it speculating everyday like wild animals.

Ever since the game was announced with only a logo too.

Except now it includes "WHEN'S THE NEXT UPDATE IT'S 4 SECONDS LATE" and "OH GOD WHAT A SHIT UPDATE" posts.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

The game is a guaranteed purchase for me, I just have no interest in the kind of discussion that generally goes on about Smash pre-release. Arguing about who/what should or should not be in based on nothing, clones, so and so has too many/not enough reps? Fuck that. I just want to play this game.

 

[Village]

Just you/ Wii U

People saying brawl have forgotten most people do not give a shit about whatever technical details that deterred you form it and just like smash.

So just you and the wii u .

People gotta know where to buy it, ya know.

 

[theprodigy]

There are regulars but it's a big hyperbole, there are plenty of people posting.

the posting distribution is more lopsided towards the top ~50 people than the Dota 2 OT
yes, the Dota 2 OT that's in community right now

if you actually look closely, Nintendo OTs tend to be extremely top-heavy compared to their non-Nintendo counterparts in general

 

[Popnbake]

In the context of this discussion I don't see what the problem is. Brawl was a huge success both financially and critically. It's one thing to dislike Brawl, which I don't have a problem with -- but to claim that it irreparably "damaged" the series is absurdly hyperbolic.

Brawl had such success because it was designed from a beginner approach to appeal to as many people as possible who have played games such as Wii Play and Wii Fit.

The damage comes from the changes to the game mechanics from Melee to make that appeal possible.

Sakurai even commented in an interview that tripping (a feature that was widley disliked in Brawl) was not returning in Smash 4.

 

[Axass]

There are regulars but it's a big hyperbole, there are plenty of people posting.

There are also many that mostly lurk like me, at least I think.

 

[Lashley]

Didn't know it was out until I happened upon an ad a while ago