Ninja Scooter
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Wouldn't the theater owners eventually be the ones to tell both Marvel and WB to settle their dick waving contest and compromise on this somehow? I doubt they want their business to be cannibalized like this in a single week.
Captain America 3 to square off against Batman/Superman in 2016
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Future Foundation
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I can't imagine they both stay, just because I don't think there will be enough screens.
Someone mentioned IMAX, and I'd have to imagine both movies are gonna go for that.
Phase 3 is suppose to be much longer than phase 1 or 2.
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Future Foundation
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That would make sense, considering all of the rumored movies. Phase 1 was about four/five years, right?
Father_Brain
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There is going to be more than one MCU release in 2017, right?
Anticitizen One
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Disney has committed to at least 2 Marvel films a year.
Future Foundation
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DC basically spent a lot of the early/mid 2000s trying to get Batman/Superman and Justice League working. The latter of which damn near went into production. It obviously didn't come together, but there were attempts at it.
And I don't get any of the second paragraph. Like at all. "Retroactively grafted"? Wasn't Man of Steel built to start a new universe?
And didn't DC make 2+ billion dollars and gain a shit load of critical acclaim doing three very "grim and gritty" movies? If anything, the success of Iron Man/The Dark Knight in '08 and The Avengers/DKR proved that nobody gives a flying, flaming fuck about the "tone"?
Razgriz-Specter
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Theaters have almost no say-so.
Um they gave their 3rd or 4th biggest male character* his own movie( a movie that was the formation of the DCCU)
Look what happened with that.
They made a solo Catwoman movie, a character that is the #2 female character in all of comics after Wonder Woman.
Look how god awful that was, so bad it ruined further female lead superhero movies for years.
* = Flash is probably 3rd in general public.
At this point I doubt it.
Yup. No war is as dumb as a fanboy war. I want quality movies from Marvel and DC.
Funny to see actors fueling the war. All in good fun imo.Sebastian Stan said:
TDLink
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Don't even really think they are trying to fuel it. They're being asked these questions by journalists trying to stir the pot, while on a press tour for an upcoming movie with one of the companies (a company with which they are under contract for several more films). What are they supposed to say?
Anticitizen One
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I want to see Christian Bale and Chris Evans get into a fight
Yeah, no date has been set yet, but it's a no-brainer -- plus Feige just recently confirmed two movies for that year too.
So they are planning five movies in Phase Three, not counting the Avengers 3 to finish it. That's Ant-Man in 2015, Cap 3 and another film in 2016, and two more in 2017, with presumably Avengers 3 in 2018.
We can assume one of the unannounced films is Thor 3. What are the other two? Doctor Strange? GOTG 2?
We can assume one of the unannounced films is Thor 3. What are the other two? Doctor Strange? GOTG 2?
Feige already said that Phase 3 will be longer than Phase 1 & 2.
So my guess it'll be Antman, Cap 3, Strange, Thor 3, 3 more movies (GOTG2 in there somewhere if the first does well) then Avengers 3 in 2019.
When/where? Never heard that before myself.
Calamari41
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I feel like they need to have an Iron Man movie in Phase 3 even if RDJ asks for way too much money. Iron Man is the absolute crown jewel of the MCU, and I just can't see them essentially retiring the character outside of Avengers movies for that long. It would be worth it even just to keep the mindshare up, as more people go to see Iron Man than any other Marvel superhero. I definitely think he should be given a rest, but nothing until after Avengers 3?
Has there been talk as to any reason to keep him off the screen beyond RDJ being difficult about it?
Has there been talk as to any reason to keep him off the screen beyond RDJ being difficult about it?
He's not being difficult about it, he just doesn't really want to do blockbusters anymore. I'm sure Marvel is spending plenty of money to get him in the Avengers sequel as is, and really, if they're unable to keep their movie line afloat for a few years without another RDJ Iron Man, then they have more problems to worry about.
If Winter Soldier really is as great as the buzz seems to indicate, I can see Captain America taking over from Iron Man as the marquee character of the MCU.
TacticalFox88
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Fuck no.
Last thing they'd want is to try and force RDJ to do something he doesn't want to do. He'd phone in the performance.
Calamari41
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I'm talking business, not fanboyism. Iron Man 3 just cleared almost one and a quarter billion dollars this last year.
Obviously I don't think Marvel should cancel Dr Strange and put out an Iron Man movie every year. It just seemed odd to me that they wouldn't plan on putting another one out within the next handful of years, so I asked what was going on since I don't follow MCU news as closely as others here.
Yeah I agree. Not having a solo Iron Man film in phase 3 is the smart decision, you don't need that crutch. It will also make it a lot easier if you end up needing to recast the role.
And if Cap 2 is as good as what I'm hearing there is a good chance Cap 3 will do the same coming off the heals of Avengers 2. Iron Man is clearing that kind of money because they properly developed the character. Just keep doing that with your other characters and not have just one as a crutch.
They should adapt Thor The God Butcher to easily get his money in the billions.....
Father_Brain
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A history which I'm fully aware of, but their track record at actually getting films into production is so bad that I wonder how half the people at DCE still have jobs - isn't this a large part of why DCE even exists?
Well, sure, if you want to believe that, there are interviews with Snyder and Goyer that you could interpret that way.
The problem is that none of those interviews that I could find (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) date to any earlier than late 2012. MoS, however wrapped production in February 2012, and unlike Marvel's first two MCU releases, absolutely nothing in the film itself - aside from one small Batman easter egg added in post - suggests that this Superman was intended to coeexist with any DCU characters outside those traditionally associated with the property.
This gap could have been bridged somewhat with an MoS solo sequel to do more worldbuilding before introducing more major superheroes, but clearly that's not happening.
Of course the DKR trilogy was huge. But as Marvel's success shows, it in no way logically follows from the Nolanverse that only grim and gritty superhero films can be commercially successful.
DC certainly seems to give a fuck about its films' tone, just not necessarily in the right direction. One of the first things a DC executive said in response to Green Lantern's failure was, effectively, that it failed because it wasn't "dark" and "edgy" enough.
The logical conclusion one should draw from this would be that WB/DCE need to make better movies, not that properties other than Superman and Batman are inherently incapable of being adapted into box-office successes.
Again, Marvel's success offers the perfect counterexample. A few years ago, if you'd predicted that Avengers would hugely outgross the conclusion of the Dark Knight trilogy, that an Iron Man film would massively outperform a heavily hyped Superman reboot, and that said Superman reboot would barely outperform a Thor film, you'd probably have been laughed out of the room, simply because Superman and Batman's popularity and overall cultural recognition has traditionally been much greater than that of any character available to Marvel Studios.
Bobby Roberts
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Worldbuilding is pretty fucking overrated when it comes to superhero movies.
Razgriz-Specter
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DC's problem that Marvel didn't have was that,
Marvel was in charge of the MCU movies at the top level.
With DC, WB has the final say in everything.
sometimes this is a good thing, like BTAS, Nolan movies, etc. Other times like Catwoman, no Wonder Woman movies and the Batembargo its awful.
That might have changed slightly recently because I remember something about the Arrow shorunners going to Geoff Johns about who they could and couldn't use on the show.
BadAss2961
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Man of Steel easter eggs involved Batman, Wayne Enterprises, STAR Labs, Carol Ferris (Green Lantern), and Booster Gold. All nods to a potential shared universe. There was other Superman related shit in there too.
Since the idea was to make a movie that stood on its own, none of this was forced.
I don't know, it feels like a trilogy of Iron Man films is fine, just like trilogies of CA and Thor films will probably feel like enough (though I think Thor has more longevity due to his bigger world than Iron Man's). Iron Man 3 very much felt like a finale for his solo films, so I'd be happy with him just appearing in the Avengers films from now on.
I understand they are big money, but Thor already had a big bump up, and CA looks to also have a big bump, so I think those are perfectly viable as far as compensating for no Iron Man 4, in Phase 3.
Making one, just to make one, is pretty filmsy.
Winterfang
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Chris Evans and Henry Canvil fighting shirtless in the rain. I can just imagine the femgasms.
Razgriz-Specter
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forgot about her, wonder if it will be the same actress if she shows up again.
Future Foundation
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I thought that was a different person because the name had a different spelling - "Farris".
Winterfang
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Oh they mean Box Office wised. Man I'm so disappointed.
I'm still bummed out that Man of Steel did not have hints to Braniac. When Zod talked how he visited dead cities and military posts far from Krypton, they could have easily showcased that one of the cities was clearly cut out from the ground with some tech that left ominous-looking scars in the ground.
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Callibretto
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Marvel should try casting bale in marvel movies since he's done with batman character lol.
RDJ's Iron Man is a billion-dollar franchise, but Marvel is playing the long game, and it makes good (maybe even better) long-term business sense to not have that one actor and one franchise as a crutch.
and personally, I think keeping RDJ out of the picture between Avengers 2 and 3 would actually help make his return more of an event for the latter. I was kind of hoping they'd do the same for Cap and Thor too, and make Phase 3 more about the new guys while building up anticipation for their big three to return in Avengers.
Wiktor
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I;m not sure. I mean, introducing Batman like this is the best move they could make. Nobody wants another Batman Origin story.
Father_Brain
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Not counting "Farris" (see below), most of that would have been added in post; I don't think STAR Labs was even mentioned in dialogue, and the Booster Gold "reference" is more akin to the use of Big Belly Burger on Arrow than anything. Well, except that Arrow actually mentions these fictional businesses in dialogue and even builds sets for them.
It's a simple fact: Marvel openly revealed their plans for a shared film universe literally years before Iron Man was in theaters. WB said nothing about MoS being such until long after it was written and shot. When put in context with the actual content of the film, it seems pretty clear to me.
It was. MoS went into production before DC had ruled out making a GL sequel, anyway, so while the similar name is odd, I doubt they'd have wanted two versions of Carol Ferris running around.
BadAss2961
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True, but the name's still obviously a reference. One of those things they could either go forward with or not in the future.
Regardless of when all this was added, it's in the movie. Man of Steel suggests a shared universe.
I also forgot to mention Clark's event in the ocean near the beginning, huge Aquaman hints.
Mighty Chin
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Clark floating underwater is an Aquaman hint? Big stretch.
The Merrevale oil rig was the Aquaman reference. That could be written off as fan service though. It wasn't overt enough.
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Christian Bale is weaker but a more angry and violent person. He would rek Chris and like go for balls, eyes, and throat. If it was more standardized than a street battle (lets say a boxing match with applicable equipment and rules) Chris would win.
Father_Brain
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Well, it's obviously in a broader shared DC Universe, because WB/DCE say it is and the next film will star Batman and Wonder Woman as well.
I'm just not exactly seeing a lot of compelling evidence that this was part of Snyder/Goyer's original vision for MoS and its sequels, rather than a decision retroactively made about a film that was already more or less in the can at the time.
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BadAss2961
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Also the surreal encounter with the whales.
Maybe they went ahead of plans and pushed things forward? Who knows... But no way this film was being made without the idea of a shared universe somewhere down the line.
It's subtlety. Not to shit on Marvel, but that's obviously not in their playbook.
I agree. If there were something as blatant as Robert Downey appearing in The Incredible Hulk, I'd be more on board with the premise. They could have sneaked Angela Basset in there or something. Yes, I know Green Lantern was terrible.
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