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Wouldn't the theater owners eventually be the ones to tell both Marvel and WB to settle their dick waving contest and compromise on this somehow? I doubt they want their business to be cannibalized like this in a single week.
Wouldn't the theater owners eventually be the ones to tell both Marvel and WB to settle their dick waving contest and compromise on this somehow? I doubt they want their business to be cannibalized like this in a single week.
What's Phase 3 looking like? Ant-Man, Cap 3, Doctor Strange, and what else?
That would make sense, considering all of the rumored movies. Phase 1 was about four/five years, right?
Phase 3 is suppose to be much longer than phase 1 or 2.
There is going to be more than one MCU release in 2017, right?
They could have done the whole shared-universe thing years before Marvel had they thought of it. Not that they would have had the talent in place to pull it off in the 80s or 90s, anyway.
It's genuinely amazing how good DC is at taking precisely the wrong lessons both from Marvel's successes (that the big superhero team-up movie can/should be rushed to in as few steps as possible, that a shared universe can be retroactively grafted onto a film that was never intended to be part of one) and from its own failures (that superhero films need to be grim and gritty to succeed, that Superman and Batman are the only characters who can carry their own films).
Theaters have almost no say-so.Wouldn't the theater owners eventually be the ones to tell both Marvel and WB to settle their dick waving contest and compromise on this somehow? I doubt they want their business to be cannibalized like this in a single week.
that Superman and Batman are the only characters who can carry their own films).
We get three new franchises. Ant-man, and two unannounced. Dr. Strange and Black Panther probably.
Nuke this thread. It's just fanboy wars now
DC basically spent a lot of the early/mid 2000s trying to get Batman/Superman and Justice League working. The latter of which damn near went into production. It obviously didn't come together, but there were attempts at it.
Funny to see actors fueling the war. All in good fun imo.Sebastian Stan said:All you really have to do to know the answer to that question is just look at the track record of Marvel vs. DC Green Lantern,
Funny to see actors fueling the war. All in good fun imo.
There is going to be more than one MCU release in 2017, right?
So they are planning five movies in Phase Three, not counting the Avengers 3 to finish it. That's Ant-Man in 2015, Cap 3 and another film in 2016, and two more in 2017, with presumably Avengers 3 in 2018.
We can assume one of the unannounced films is Thor 3. What are the other two? Doctor Strange? GOTG 2?
Feige already said that Phase 3 will be longer than Phase 1 & 2.
I feel like they need to have an Iron Man movie in Phase 3 even if RDJ asks for way too much money. Iron Man is the absolute crown jewel of the MCU, and I just can't see them essentially retiring the character outside of Avengers movies for that long. It would be worth it even just to keep the mindshare up, as more people go to see Iron Man than any other Marvel superhero. I definitely think he should be given a rest, but nothing until after Avengers 3?
Has there been talk as to any reason to keep him off the screen beyond RDJ being difficult about it?
I feel like they need to have an Iron Man movie in Phase 3 even if RDJ asks for way too much money. Iron Man is the absolute crown jewel of the MCU, and I just can't see them essentially retiring the character outside of Avengers movies for that long. It would be worth it even just to keep the mindshare up, as more people go to see Iron Man than any other Marvel superhero. I definitely think he should be given a rest, but nothing until after Avengers 3?
Has there been talk as to any reason to keep him off the screen beyond RDJ being difficult about it?
Thousands of characters to choose from and thousands of talented actors to play them, but we need more Iron Man. Fuck outta here. We're the ones complaining that WB is too chickenshit to try something that's not Batman.
Thousands of characters to choose from and thousands of talented actors to play them, but we need more Iron Man. Fuck outta here. We're the ones complaining that WB is too chickenshit to try something that's not Batman.
I'm talking business, not fanboyism. Iron Man 3 just cleared almost one and a quarter billion dollars this last year.
DC basically spent a lot of the early/mid 2000s trying to get Batman/Superman and Justice League working. The latter of which damn near went into production. It obviously didn't come together, but there were attempts at it.
And I don't get any of the second paragraph. Like at all. "Retroactively grafted"? Wasn't Man of Steel built to start a new universe?
And didn't DC make 2+ billion dollars and gain a shit load of critical acclaim doing three very "grim and gritty" movies? If anything, the success of Iron Man/The Dark Knight in '08 and The Avengers/DKR proved that nobody gives a flying, flaming fuck about the "tone"?
Um they gave their 3rd or 4th biggest male character* his own movie( a movie that was the formation of the DCCU)
Look what happened with that.
They made a solo Catwoman movie, a character that is the #2 female character in all of comics after Wonder Woman.
Look how god awful that was, so bad it ruined further female lead superhero movies for years.
* = Flash is probably 3rd in general public.
This gap could have been bridged somewhat with an MoS solo sequel to do more worldbuilding
The logical conclusion one should draw from this would be that WB/DCE need to make better movies, not that properties other than Superman and Batman are inherently incapable of being adapted into box-office successes.
Again, Marvel's success offers the perfect counterexample. A few years ago, if you'd predicted that Avengers would hugely outgross the conclusion of the Dark Knight trilogy, that an Iron Man film would massively outperform a heavily hyped Superman reboot, and that said Superman reboot would barely outperform a Thor film, you'd probably have been laughed out of the room, simply because Superman and Batman's popularity and overall cultural recognition has traditionally been much greater than that of any character available to Marvel Studios.
Man of Steel easter eggs involved Batman, Wayne Enterprises, STAR Labs, Carol Ferris (Green Lantern), and Booster Gold. All nods to a potential shared universe. There was other Superman related shit in there too.The problem is that none of those interviews that I could find (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) date to any earlier than late 2012. MoS, however wrapped production in February 2012, and unlike Marvel's first two MCU releases, absolutely nothing in the film itself - aside from one small Batman easter egg added in post - suggests that this Superman was intended to coeexist with any DCU characters outside those traditionally associated with the property.
This gap could have been bridged somewhat with an MoS solo sequel to do more worldbuilding before introducing more major superheroes, but clearly that's not happening.
I feel like they need to have an Iron Man movie in Phase 3 even if RDJ asks for way too much money. Iron Man is the absolute crown jewel of the MCU, and I just can't see them essentially retiring the character outside of Avengers movies for that long. It would be worth it even just to keep the mindshare up, as more people go to see Iron Man than any other Marvel superhero. I definitely think he should be given a rest, but nothing until after Avengers 3?
Has there been talk as to any reason to keep him off the screen beyond RDJ being difficult about it?
forgot about her, wonder if it will be the same actress if she shows up again.Man of Steel easter eggs involved Batman, Wayne Enterprises, STAR Labs, Carol Ferris (Green Lantern), and Booster Gold. All nods to a potential shared universe. There was other Superman related shit in there too.
Since the idea was to make a movie that stood on its own, none of this was forced.
Man of Steel easter eggs involved Batman, Wayne Enterprises, STAR Labs, Carol Ferris (Green Lantern), and Booster Gold. All nods to a potential shared universe. There was other Superman related shit in there too.
Since the idea was to make a movie that stood on its own, none of this was forced.
I'm still bummed out that Man of Steel did not have hints to Braniac. When Zod talked how he visited dead cities and military posts far from Krypton, they could have easily showcased that one of the cities was clearly cut out from the ground with some tech that left ominous-looking scars in the ground.
Marvel should try casting bale in marvel movies since he's done with batman character lol.I want to see Christian Bale and Chris Evans get into a fight
I'm talking business, not fanboyism. Iron Man 3 just cleared almost one and a quarter billion dollars this last year.
Obviously I don't think Marvel should cancel Dr Strange and put out an Iron Man movie every year. It just seemed odd to me that they wouldn't plan on putting another one out within the next handful of years, so I asked what was going on since I don't follow MCU news as closely as others here.
I don´t think Cap can compete against Batman and Supes.
Heh, the sequel that includes Batman, WW, and others. The movie was disappointing to WB or else Superman would have a stand alone sequel.
Man of Steel easter eggs involved Batman, Wayne Enterprises, STAR Labs, Carol Ferris (Green Lantern), and Booster Gold. All nods to a potential shared universe. There was other Superman related shit in there too.
Since the idea was to make a movie that stood on its own, none of this was forced.
I thought that was a different person because the name had a different spelling - "Farris".
True, but the name's still obviously a reference. One of those things they could either go forward with or not in the future.I thought that was a different person because the name had a different spelling - "Farris".
Not counting "Farris" (see below), most of that would have been added in post; I don't think STAR Labs was even mentioned in dialogue, and the Booster Gold "reference" is more akin to the use of Big Belly Burger on Arrow than anything. Well, except that Arrow actually mentions these fictional businesses in dialogue and even builds sets for them.
It's a simple fact: Marvel openly revealed their plans for a shared film universe literally years before Iron Man was in theaters. WB said nothing about MoS being such until long after it was written and shot. When put in context with the actual content of the film, it seems pretty clear to me.
Clark floating underwater is an Aquaman hint? Big stretch.
I want to see Christian Bale and Chris Evans get into a fight
Regardless of when all this was added, it's in the movie. Man of Steel suggests a shared universe.
Have Black Panther star alongside Cap in it. Would be awesome.
Clark floating underwater is an Aquaman hint? Big stretch.
Also the surreal encounter with the whales.The Merrevale oil rig was the Aquaman reference. That could be written off as fan service though. It wasn't overt enough.
Maybe they went ahead of plans and pushed things forward? Who knows... But no way this film was being made without the idea of a shared universe somewhere down the line.Well, it's obviously in a broader shared DC Universe, because WB/DCE say it is and the next film will star Batman and Wonder Woman as well.
I'm just not exactly seeing a lot of compelling evidence that this was part of Snyder/Goyer's original vision for MoS and its sequels, rather than a decision retroactively made about a film that was already more or less in the can at the time.
The DCU references in Man of Steel are so minute that they're inconsequential. Window dressing put in the very very background for fans and nothing more really.