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[ArchedThunder]

On the topic of Lumiose City, I should finally start playing Y or X.

Have all of the Lumiose City problems been patched by now? Do I need to do anything special to download the patch, and/or is there anything I should still be especialy careful to avoid (like avoiding saving outside a building in Lumiose City)?

A patch came out ages ago and everything is fine now. Just download the patch from the eShop.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Excluding extreme optimists and skeptics, I'd say most are expecting between 45 and 50 characters tops.

My thoughts are little broader, 40-50. The higher end of that range is a sweet spot for me, but I'm worried that it's too optimistic.

 

[IntelliHeath]

my expectation is 45-50 characters, but I would bet that we are getting more than 50 characters.

 

[Jagsrock]

man I would be so happy we we actually get 50.

 

[Azure J]

My thoughts are little broader, 40-50. The higher end of that range is a sweet spot for me, but I'm worried that it's too optimistic.

I dunno man, only 5 more than Brawl would be mildly disappointing and we already have the Salromano leak that could at least give us 6 definites on top of Brawl's returning cast for 41.

 

[theprodigy]

Wii Fit Trainer for "bro do you even lift" taunts

 

[Azure J]

my expectation is 45-50 characters, but I would bet that we are getting more than 50 characters.

...who are you and what have you done with Heath?

Spoiler

What's got you so confident?

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

I dunno man, only 5 more than Brawl would be mildly disappointing and we already have the Salromano leak that could at least give us 6 definites on top of Brawl's returning cast for 41.

I should say my numbers are excluding alternate forms like Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon. I'm also sure that there will be a cut or two.

I'm just not expecting that many more newcomers besides Mii, Pac-Man, and Palutena.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

19, 65, 9, 17

1, 9, 9, 2, 1, 2, 4, 0, 2, 6

Lets see who gets this...

Oh wow. I haven't clicked that combo in years.



As far as roster count goes, I created a parabola of best fit, considering the character counts of previous games:

It clearly shows we will have 42 characters in Smash 4.

 

[PadWarrior]

I could see 37-40 characters for this game.

 

[Caladrius]

I could see 37-40 characters for this game.

Less than Brawl!?

 

[Werewolf Jones]

I dunno man, only 5 more than Brawl would be mildly disappointing and we already have the Salromano leak that could at least give us 6 definites on top of Brawl's returning cast for 41.

He never mentioned Rosalina, which is pretty weird, but I doubt we'll get much more than that.

 

[theprodigy]

Less than Brawl!?

rage, rage everywhere

 

[Riki]

There will be 49 characters and everyone will swear there is a secret 50th character. But there isn't.
There isn't because Sakurai.

 

[Berordn]

Somewhere in the ballpark of 45 with every character from Brawl returning.

Everything else is going to end in tears.

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

If anyone here expects 10+ newcomers then they're setting themselves up for disappointment. I have nothing to backup my claim; it's merely a feeling.

 

[Not]

I'll go with 49. Plus, with the 3DS's super huge top screen, and a bottom screen for the "selected character" interface to go, there's PLENTY of room for 50 characters. Someone make a mockup.

 

[PadWarrior]

Less than Brawl!?

Sure, why not.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

If anyone here expects 10+ newcomers then they're setting themselves up for disappointment. I have nothing to backup my claim; it's merely a feeling.

Yeah I don't think anybody realistically can. We've had some really crazy additions (Villager, WFT, Megaman), so I think really now we'll get a few "new series character" standard additions and that'll be it.

"Aim low. Aim so low, nobody will know you even tried"

 

[Ryce]

If anyone here expects 10+ newcomers then they're setting themselves up for disappointment. I have nothing to backup my claim; it's merely a feeling.

We already know about five newcomers, and Pac-Man, Mii, and Palutena make eight (assuming they're all in). There's got to be at least two more after those. The first SSB had 12 characters, Melee added 14, and Brawl had 16 (technically 18) newcomers -- considering the roster is the most important aspect of a fighting game, fewer than 10 new characters would be pretty disappointing.

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

We already know about five newcomers, and Pac-Man, Mii, and Palutena make eight (assuming they're all in). There's got to be at least two more after those. The first SSB had 12 characters, Melee added 14, and Brawl had 16 (technically 18) newcomers -- considering the roster is the most important aspect of a fighting game, fewer than 10 new characters would be pretty disappointing.

Brawl had 16 newcomers? Uh... of this I was not aware.

To revise my previous claim. If anyone expects more than 15 newcomers, they'll be setting themselves up for disappointment. Again, just a feeling.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Brawl had 16 newcomers? Uh... of this I was not aware.

To revise my previous claim. If anyone expects more than 15 newcomers, they'll be setting themselves up for disappointment. Again, just a feeling.

A lot of people think of Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Squirtle, Charizard, Ivysaur, Zelda and Sheik count as 7 characters. I personally count the squares on the character select screen.

 

[Jagsrock]

My feeling tells me 10+ will be achieved. At least 2 cut from brawl and 15 newcomers that'll give us 48.

 

[jph139]

If every Brawl character returns we'd currently have 42 characters. It's silly to think every newcomer is revealed and/or we'll have a ton of cuts, so I think anything less than ~45 characters is exceptionally skeptical.

I'm expecting about ~5 more newcomers; anything beyond that would probably be paired with a cut, just thinking about devtime and so forth. Final roster would probably be in the 46-48 range. But since they're cutting SSE and have the whole Namco backup going on a part of me is hoping it'll be beyond our wildest dreams and we'll have 50+ characters and they'll all be super cool and fulfill my wildest dreams and it'll be the best game ever.

But I'm expecting about ~5 more newcomers.

 

[theprodigy]

I prefer counting spots on the character select screen, also I think we'll get around 10 newcomers.

 

[Immaculate]

My feeling tells me 10+ will be achieved. At least 2 cut from brawl and 15 newcomers that'll give us 48.

who is this friend

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

A lot of people think of Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Squirtle, Charizard, Ivysaur, Zelda and Sheik count as 7 characters. I personally count the squares on the character select screen.

If you count the squares, it's 15. If there are no cuts between Brawl and 4 and 4 has at least 45 characters, at least least 9 of them will be newcomers.

Spoiler

I'd say 10, but Mewtwo may very well be playable again.

 

[IntelliHeath]

...who are you and what have you done with Heath?

Spoiler

What's got you so confident?

*Beep* I'm programmed to spread the false hopes *Beep*

Spoiler

I had a dream that we got 49 characters slots and 1 random slot. Also I counted transformation and pokemon characters as well. I'm not 100% confident enough but I would love to have that. 45-48 is more safe and less heart wrenching for me.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

If every Brawl character returns we'd currently have 42 characters.

In addition to the 35 squares on the board, we've got Sheik, ZSS, PT's other two Pokemon, and... ? Counting Ice Climbers as one, and Olimar+pkmn as one. Who are 40, 41 and 42?

 

[Jagsrock]

who is this friend

My feelings not friend...

Spoiler

I don't have friends

lol

 

[Immaculate]

My feelings not friend...

Spoiler

I don't have friends

lol

oh wow lol.

well that just confirmed i need to take a nap. too tired today

 

[jph139]

In addition to the 35 squares on the board, we've got Sheik, ZSS, PT's other two Pokemon, and... ? Counting Ice Climbers as one, and Olimar+pkmn as one. Who are 40, 41 and 42?

I didn't count the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon (since he's usually treated as a "lump sum" - on the Dojo he was one page while Sheik and ZSS got their own), but I did count the five newcomers.

 

[Red Arremer]

He never mentioned Rosalina, which is pretty weird, but I doubt we'll get much more than that.

Sal Romano's leaker said that the 6 characters mentioned were going to be shown at E3 2013.
However PR/marketing might've changed the plans.

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

Still, though, considering only five newcomers have been revealed, imagining 10 more—double what we've learned—gets me excited.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

I didn't count the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon (since he's usually treated as a "lump sum" - on the Dojo he was one page while Sheik and ZSS got their own), but I did count the five newcomers.

Ah. Yeah I'm confident there are still unrevealed characters, but I also think it would be premature to assume there will be no cuts. We had a handful of them in Brawl.

 

[Dusk Golem]

There's also always the possibility of DLC fighters and stages.

Spoiler

Though probably not.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Still, though, considering only five newcomers have been revealed, imagining 10 more—double what we've learned—gets me excited.

We need to hijack the Banderas gif and make a Nintendo version for thoughts such as these. TEN MORE. Imagine who they could be. What dormant series. What familiar faces. What reasoning behind the choices? In ways I hope SSB4 never comes out, because the lead-up is inevitably more exciting than actually playing it regularly!

That said... my first time playing Brawl, my Wii had trouble reading the double-layer disc and I had huge trouble getting it to work. After two years of waiting, was quite irritating

 

[theprodigy]

We need to hijack the Banderas gif and make a Nintendo version for thoughts such as these. TEN MORE. Imagine who they could be. What dormant series. What familiar faces. What reasoning behind the choices? In ways I hope SSB4 never comes out, because the lead-up is inevitably more exciting than actually playing it regularly!

That said... my first time playing Brawl, my Wii had trouble reading the double-layer disc and I had huge trouble getting it to work. After two years of waiting, was quite irritating

let's not

 

[Not]

So here's what the 3DS screen wouldd look like with 50 characters. A little crowded, but definitely navigable. More would be pushing it.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

So here's what the 3DS screen wouldd look like with 50 characters. A little crowded, but definitely navigable. More would be pushing it.

No offence but I don't know why you think this'd be a factor, at all. I mean they can always take the text off the character faces should they add more than 50.

 

[Jagsrock]

We need to hijack the Banderas gif and make a Nintendo version for thoughts such as these. TEN MORE. Imagine who they could be. What dormant series. What familiar faces. What reasoning behind the choices? In ways I hope SSB4 never comes out, because the lead-up is inevitably more exciting than actually playing it regularly!

That said... my first time playing Brawl, my Wii had trouble reading the double-layer disc and I had huge trouble getting it to work. After two years of waiting, was quite irritating

You mean like the cranky one.

 

[Not]

No offence but I don't know why you think this'd be a factor, at all. I mean they can always take the text off the character faces should they add more than 50.

I don't know. It's reasonable to think that no matter what they remove from the design, the boxes would eventually get too small for a portable screen

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

You mean like the cranky one.

Yes, that will do nicely. I will save that for Hades' announcement.

I don't know. It's reasonable to think that no matter what they remove from the design, the boxes would eventually get too small for a portable screen

Ah there'd be ways round it Sakurai chooses some things for ridiculous reasons (See removing cutscenes since they'd leak onto the internet), but that's pushing it a little.

 

[Save 'N Quit]

We need to hijack the Banderas gif and make a Nintendo version for thoughts such as these.

I thought the Cranky Kong gif was the Nintendo version.

^Like they said

 

[GiantBreadbug]

I'm expecting 50 slots and no cuts. So basically, 15 new slots. And I'm pretty confident in that.

 

[SmithnCo]

No offence but I don't know why you think this'd be a factor, at all. I mean they can always take the text off the character faces should they add more than 50.

They can make the screen scrollable too. Shouldn't be a huge issue.

 

[Caladrius]

The character select screen doesn't necessarily have to be a single screen.

Make dat mutha hubbard scroll.

EDIT: Kitten Ninja'd

 

[Berordn]

I don't know. It's reasonable to think that no matter what they remove from the design, the boxes would eventually get too small for a portable screen

There's nothing that mandates they use a grid-based character select screen on a system where everyone can navigate menus independent of one another.

edit: so beat

 

[PadWarrior]

Is Hades popular in Japan?

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

So here's what the 3DS screen wouldd look like with 50 characters. A little crowded, but definitely navigable. More would be pushing it.

I'd say the character grid is on the top screen and the touch screen is used for everything else. Rules, alt colors, CPU players, teams, nicknames, handicaps, etc.