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[Banjo-Kazooie]

"Xbox One games will see improved performance. Coming to all MS platforms. PC, mobile too."

 

[ekim]

So d3d 12 == dx12?

10:08
Ryan Shrout: Xbox One games will see improved performance. Coming to all MS platforms. PC, mobile too.

 

[Frayne Daddy]

I'm here for dat sauce. I'm interested in what X1 and DX12 have to with each other, I highly doubt hidden gpu's but it's a fun conspiracy

Said it will improve performance to x1 and coming to mobile

 

[BenouKat]

So it's Mantle. As expected.

 

[SwiftDeath]

MANTLE!

I mean DX12

Hopefully we are about to see a Renaissance of game development with all these pushes to make game programming cheaper and easier

 

[Skinpop]

Mobile DX huh, good luck with that MS.

 

[Ricerocket]

Basically trying to go in the direction Mantle is going was obvious.

 

[crazepharmacist]

This better not be Windows 8 exclusive.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

So seems like semi accurate was right.

 

[Dr.Schlomo]

Basically trying to go in the direction Mantle is going was obvious.

And this is a good thing, no?

 

[BenouKat]

This better not be Windows 8 exclusive.

Hahaha of course it will be.

 

[GreyWind]

They are going to show a prototype.

 

[Monty Mole]

Surely it being like Mantle is a good thing, given that Mantle doesn't work with Nvidia GPUs and this will? Or am I missing something?

 

[Chobel]

RIP mantle.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

This better not be Windows 8 exclusive.

I didn't even consider this, please don't force W8 on us.

Surely it being like Mantle is a good thing, given that Mantle doesn't work with Nvidia GPUs and this will? Or am I missing something?

Yes, competition is so good. I'm locked into Nvidia for a long time, but I wanted to go AMD for mantle, darn data miners and their love for AMD GPUs.

 

[Ricerocket]

And this is a good thing, no?

Of course it's a good thing, I didn't say it was bad?

 

[gamechanger87]

Surely it being like Mantle is a good thing, given that Mantle doesn't work with Nvidia GPUs and this will? Or am I missing something?

NVIDIA is there.

http://schedule.gdconf.com/session-id/828184

 

[GreyWind]

 

[KOHIPEET]

Interestingly, both mantle and dx12 is placing great emphasis on CPU optimization.

 

[EternalTruth]

RIP mantle.

If this works with all GPUs going forward, Mantle may be in trouble...

 

[Nirolak]

So d3d 12 == dx12?

D3D 12 is the Direct3D component of DirectX12.

DirectX contains some non-3D rendering components as well like audio and other such domains.

 

[Frustrated_me]

Windows 8.1 Enterprise

 

[rakkadakka]

Please don't let this thread turn into a please don't force W8 on us thread.

 

[justsomeguy]

Surely it being like Mantle is a good thing, given that Mantle doesn't work with Nvidia GPUs and this will? Or am I missing something?

Yeah. GPU Manufacturer agnostic, better CPU use. Not bad.

Just put up a very interesting thread-use chart comparing dx11 to dx12, shows an almost equal split of workload across cores in dx12 compared to about 2:1 ratio on dx11 where you had 2x the amount of any other core. Suspect someone will rehost the chart in a moment... Edit: There it is a few posts up

 

[VisceralBowl]

 

[gamechanger87]

On d3d12, overall CPU utilization is down 50% compared to dcd11.

Someone provide me with an idea of the impact of this?

 

[heyf00L]

Interestingly, both mantle and dx12 is placing great emphasis on CPU optimization.

Which has always been the biggest bottleneck on computers and the biggest advantage consoles have over PCs.

 

[Broken Hope]

Interestingly, both mantle and dx12 is placing great emphasis on CPU optimization.

Because CPU's aren't getting much faster year after year, GPU's are.

 

[Turin Turambar]

If this works with all GPUs going forward, Mantle may be in trouble...

In any case, it served a purpose, to start a fire at MS feet, to make them move.

 

[HoodWinked]

nice multicore utilization

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

When will the first GPUs supporting this release?

Will Maxwell support DX12?

 

[Frayne Daddy]

Please don't let this thread turn into a please don't force W8 on us thread.

Agreed.

Win8 is the best gaming OS out there.... Case closed.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

"Hmm, from ~8ms to ~4. That's an extra 4ms for the GPU to work. 20 GFLOPs for a GeForce Titan."

 

[Dr.Schlomo]

Of course it's a good thing, I didn't say it was bad?

I didn't say you said it was bad...no need to be defensive.

 

[jet1911]

 

[rrc1594]

This thread is making me feel dumb :[

 

[ElTorro]

When will the first GPUs supporting this release?

Will Maxwell support DX12?

Most features shown so far seem to be GPU-agnostic.

 

[Nzyme32]

difference in mantle was smaller than AMD advertised at their presentation. I expect the same here with MS and directx12. No solid facts till someone has it to actually try on different harware

 

[GreyWind]

 

[VisceralBowl]

damn

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Agreed.

Win8 is the best gaming OS out there.... Case closed.

Its not /the end

 

[iN1njaCPFC]

Ryan Shrout: D3D12 allows apps to control graphics memory better.

I like the sound of that. Xbox One may have some juice yet!

 

[Gestault]

On d3d12, overall CPU utilization is down 50% compared to dcd11.

Someone provide me with an idea of the impact of this?

If a system was previously bottlenecked by less-capable CPU features/performance (mobile and current-gen consoles come to mind), this allows more efficient use of the same system resources.

 

[HRose]

Please don't let this thread turn into a please don't force W8 on us thread.

There is literally nothing else to talk about. It's just a more efficient DirectX and the whole deal is whether or not it is dependent on the OS.

Mantle: only ATI
DX12: only Windows 8+

 

[EternalTruth]

Finally games will properly support multiple cores (4-8).
Its a long time coming...

 

[cyberheater]

RIP mantle.

Pretty much. It barely saw the light of day before MS stamped on it.

 

[Chettlar]

Did they say specifically that it will be Windows 8 exclusive.

 

[IcyRhythms]

Its not /the end

I would agree but until I can play all my Steam/Origin/and GOG bought games on anything else, it's currently the only option.

 

[VisceralBowl]

 

[ZombieFred]

Is it for Windows 8 only?