Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Benzychenz
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Monday: Captain Falcon
Tuesday: Falco
Wednesday: Ness
Thursday: Mr Game & Watch
Friday: Pokemon Trainer
LOL, with the exception of the Syracuse upset my bracket is just fine.
UCLA backup let's goooooo.
Princess Peach tonight.
Shadow Hog
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I dunno, I think I'm just frustrated that Dinosaur Planet got turned into a Star Fox game, and that Krystal, who was going to have a larger role in the original game, was almost entirely sidelined in the version featuring Fox. Always strikes me as a shame that Nintendo will replace fledgling original IP with existing ones, and not always to the game's benefit. It's part of why Smash is so frontloaded when it comes to its participants - they were a lot more liberal with franchises back in the NES/SNES days... And I think I liked the sound of Dinosaur Planet more than Star Fox Adventures. :\
(Also I always found the "if Wolf's B moves are a clone of Fox's, then Link's are a clone of Samus's" argument really silly, but I don't have the time to do a blow-by-blow argument right now; absurdly early dentist appointment in a town a good 20 minutes away.)
(Also I always found the "if Wolf's B moves are a clone of Fox's, then Link's are a clone of Samus's" argument really silly, but I don't have the time to do a blow-by-blow argument right now; absurdly early dentist appointment in a town a good 20 minutes away.)
theprodigy
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well you know what Lin, SCREW YOU
let's go Pac-12 teams, fuck yeah SEC isn't the only conference that can root for itself /s
Peach was already revealed.
So Mario Kart 7 squared.
Wait a sec, you thought Wichita State was going to go anywhere? lol
theprodigy
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Wait a sec, you thought Kansas was going to go anywhere? lol
I had them losing to New Mexico, right idea, wrong team
Beelzebufo
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SFA was a good move by Nintendo, it's just unfortunate that Rare was starting to suck by then. It's exactly what they did with DKC, take an existing IP from a genre that won't be able to sustain sequel-after-sequel (Arcade/Shooter) and create a completely new game that mirrors an existing and popular Nintendo IP (Mario/Zelda) to breathe new life into the franchise. Unfortunately it never caught on because SFA was kinda poorly made, but it would have been poorly made regardless if Fox was in it.
Red Arremer
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First of, Ridley is male, not "it".
Second, yes. Ridley has a lot of personality. You want me to go in-depth about it? Alright.
Ridley is the one who invades the planet that Samus was born on. He commands his Space Pirates to kill everybody , and orders the destruction of that planet's colony. He almost kills Samus as well, but her mother saves her and he kills her mother instead - her father dies trying to blow up the Space Pirates' weapons, which he manages to do, so Ridley and his forces take a big blow, thus retreat.
Prior to Metroid Zero Mission (which is the original Metroid's remake), he leads the charge against the Chozo on Zebes and completely annihilates them. During their first reunion at Zebes, in the manga, Ridley also tells Samus that he survived the attack on the human colony by consuming human cadavers, also implying that he had eaten Samus' mother. She fights and defeats him, and escapes Zebes.
Then Zero Mission's plot happens, in which Ridley is foreshadowed in multiple cutscenes. After destroying Mother Brain and escaping the self-destructing Tourian, the addition content of Zero Mission reveals that there is a big Space Pirate operation still going on, under the leadership of an unfinished robotic version of Ridley. His role is not clarified in the game, but in an interview, Sakamoto, one of the main designers and directors of the series, has stated that Ridley built the robot version of himself to demonstrate his intelligence and power, and to transfer his mind into it by the time he dies.
Later on, in the Prime games, there's the implication that Meta-Ridley (a revived cyborg Ridley) was the result of putting the real Ridley's remains and the technology of Mecha-Ridley together, under the order of the Space Pirates' High Command (which is the governing body and usually has Ridley in it). He manages to break free and fights a pretty terrified Samus - after all, she is now facing the creature that killed her parents, whom she has presumably killed multiple times as well, come back to life. Samus fights him, and he comes back in Prime 3, in which he is revived and infused with Phazon by the Phazon Core, making him more powerful than ever. Of course he eventually was defeated. Plus, the Prime games are not considered fully canonical.
He manages to survive all of that, and comes back again, leading us to Super Metroid, in which he steals the infant Metroid Samus has recovered during the events of Metroid 2, in order to create an army of Metroids to do his bidding. Samus stops him and the pirates once again, finally putting him to rest once and for all...
Until Other M happened, where a clone version of Ridley appears - first a baby form dubbed Little Birdie, followed by an adolescent version, until he finally evolves into a full Ridley. This whole evolution process plays a vital part in Other M's (admittedly weak) storyline. The clone's body is captured and put into cryostasis, until the events of Metroid Fusion, where the X Parasite breaks into the cryochamber, and fuses/revives Ridley, forming Neo-Ridley.
Samus has defeated various forms of Ridley a total of 5 times (7 if you count the 2 Prime apperances) over the course of the story of Metroid. He is a significant character to Samus' development to become a bounty hunter, is her long-standing nemesis, is a vital character to the main evil faction of the series (being one of their highest-ranking leaders, and sometimes their sole leader). Most of his personality comes from paraphernalia such as the Metroid manga or the aforementioned interview, but denying its existence is wrong.
Krystal's personality, in comparison to Ridley, is just a female trope character whose only purpose is to create a love interest for Fox, and her personality is as deep as a puddle.
TheRedSnifit
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My bracket is 100% perfect so far, and I can guarantee you it'll remain 100% perfect until the end. Of course, I can't show it to you because it'd be, uh, bad luck and all.
Predicted Kentucky and Stanford WHAT UP. Andrew Wiggins not mature enough to carry a team alone, no matter how stacked or ready for the NBA he is.
My Final Four predictions stand firm: UMich, Michigan State, San Diego State, UCLA/Syracuse.
MrSaturn99
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For whatever reason I get the feeling there won't be a veteran this week.
theprodigy
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you totally said you picked Wichita State to the Elite 8, where you had them losing to Michigan
YOU LIE
edit: also UCLA and SDSU? hmm
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Krystal is barely important in Adventures let alone uses the staff in her only section. Her importance is even reduced in Assault.
I wonder how he does his daily activities with those long claws.
I wonder how he does his daily activities with those long claws.
I never said Wichita State would beat Michigan. I was rooting for both Michigans the entire time. You mixed me up with someone else lol.
IRC man... IRC, I said all this on there at like 3 AM.
Red Arremer
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I agree with you there. That's also why I don't like Krystal as a character. Her development behind the scenes dumbed her down to be a pair of tits for Fox to chase.
It's really not. If you dumb down the space animals' B moves, why don't you apply the same to those of other characters? Wolf's specials all work very differently from Fox's, they even look quite different.
Shadow Hog
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How, exactly? It didn't really do the Star Fox universe any favors, going by the kneejerk reactions SmashGAF gets if somebody even mentions Krystal's name, and it certainly didn't do Dinosaur Planet any favors either, since that's not a thing anymore.
Beelzebufo
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Samus isn't terrified when she sees Meta Ridley. When she sees Meta Ridley she swats the air like "Awh hell naw not this bitch again" and then chases him across the entire planet. She's only terrified of him in Other M. Also the Prime games aren't canon.
Like I said, imagine if Nintendo hadn't given Rare DK. As good as the original and DK94 are, he definitely wouldn't be the powerhouse he is today. Star Fox is similarly limited, but unfortunately his rare revamp didn't work because Rare had lost their touch by then.
Because if Rare had made a good game, it would have made Star Fox a successful Nintendo adventure series that could make new games. As it is now, the air shooter design limits the Star Fox series to basically SF64 remakes, which is why Nintendo stopped making Star Fox games. If Fox wasn't in it, nobody would have remembered Dinosaur Planet anyway, because it wasn't a good game and it doesn't have Star Fox in it.
Like I said, imagine if Nintendo hadn't given Rare DK. As good as the original and DK94 are, he definitely wouldn't be the powerhouse he is today. Star Fox is similarly limited, but unfortunately his rare revamp didn't work because Rare had lost their touch by then.
theprodigy
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no, you said Wichita State/Louisville was obviously going to happen, and that Wichita State would beat Louisville and then lose to Michigan
I remember that IRC chat
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
tbqh the krystal fanbase is far more annoying the the others.
I remember the IRC chat, you're delusional. I mentioned Kentucky multiple times in chat lol.
Enough derailing of the thread. I predict some Peach tonight.
I saw this video today and I think its relevant to the Ridley discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxVkSaVgm1A
As the video says is a Ridley WIP for Brawl, that although its very rough and janky in some parts I think it displays very well how Ridley could be used in the context of Smash, for example the tail attacks he uses seems very representative of how he is in game, as well as the dash and some throws.
The size I'm still unsure but I guess that's a pretty hard topic itself, we all know Ridley as a much bigger enemy usually but then the bigger he gets the harder it would be to balance him versus other characters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxVkSaVgm1A
As the video says is a Ridley WIP for Brawl, that although its very rough and janky in some parts I think it displays very well how Ridley could be used in the context of Smash, for example the tail attacks he uses seems very representative of how he is in game, as well as the dash and some throws.
The size I'm still unsure but I guess that's a pretty hard topic itself, we all know Ridley as a much bigger enemy usually but then the bigger he gets the harder it would be to balance him versus other characters.
InvincibleAgent
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Says who?
Red Arremer
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I dunno, in the cutscene she seems pretty startled when he first pops up. Might just be me seeing things into it tho. And yes, I mentioned the Prime games aren't considered canon.
theprodigy
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no that's what you said, someone dig up the IRC history if possible
also LMAO at SFAT missing Randall and losing the match
Beelzebufo
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Samus, while monologing in Orher M.
I mean there she's just startled because he's actually attacking her. She does stuff like that against most of the bosses/minibosses. I always thought of it as like a defensive stance. If she was scared because he's back from the dead like in Other M, she would have reacted when he first confronts her (before losing all of her equipment on the frigate). When that does happen, she does the "you're not getting away from me" thing.
Karsticles
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When a guy with a furry avatar hates on Krystal, you know she's bad. (no offense intended, and I hope none is taken)
Also, I can't fathom how someone could really think Krystal > Ridley. It's a goddamn space zombie dragon thing vs. another anthropomorphic character. We have three of those damn things already. No disrespect to Star Fox characters - I love Star Wolf. I just don't get how anyone could think we need a 4th anthropomorph from Star Fox over a space zombie dragon thing from Metroid, which would only be the 2nd character from that series as well.
Red Arremer
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Nintendo in an official PR statement.
InvincibleAgent
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So we're considering Other M canon now?
Beelzebufo
Banned
...Yes.
InvincibleAgent
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I played the first 5 mins and discovered it was terrible so I stopped playing. What does she say that suggests Primes didn't happen? And why don't wiki pages reflect this?
StreetsAhead
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Thank you for taking the time to write that out. It didn't change my opinion, but I appreciated reading it.
However, I do think it is unfair to conclude by calling Krystal just a 'love-interest' trope, when you're defending Ridley, who is arguably just a 'arch-nemesis' trope whose only "purpose" is to act as a re-curring enemy for Samus.
Still shouldn't have any influence on her chances as playable, though.
Cool, the only FE I've played at all.
InvincibleAgent
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The reason SF got 3 reps is because there are many fighter pilot characters, the most popular of which they could get away with making clones.
That opportunity doesn't apply to Krystal or Ridley. Make Krystal a Palutena clone? Make Ridley a Bowser clone? Ha.
That opportunity doesn't apply to Krystal or Ridley. Make Krystal a Palutena clone? Make Ridley a Bowser clone? Ha.
Benzychenz
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Someone's gonna yell at you for calling Wolf a clone lol
MrSaturn99
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Whoa there...possible leak aside, we haven't even seen if Palutena's in the game yet!
krystal would be shitty though yeah
Still hoping for a better look at the Palutena statue stage
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hahah nah, none taken. I don't like her too
Yeah, but it is grating when they go "muh staff" when she barely uses it. Either go original or use moves in your repertoire.
Beelzebufo
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She says the last time she encountered Ridley was at the end of Zero Mission. And I'm pretty sure they do, there's always a warning that it might not be canon.
User 73706
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True Metroid canon is that everything up to (but not including) Other M happened.
Subspace Emissary has more validity than Other M.
Subspace Emissary has more validity than Other M.
Dimitri LH
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been away for the weekend......I skip to the last page to see a krystal, ridley discussion. Great way to start the week......oh boy. *prepares the coffee*
Beelzebufo
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The things that happened in Other M are reflected in subsequent games in the series, and as of yet no other game has released to retcon anything in Other M. It's canon, even if that's terrible.
User 73706
Banned
Nothing's released because Other M killed the franchise, or at least put it in a coma. And it's still the latest-release game in the franchise; Fusion may have set Adam Malkovich events up, but they weren't deliberately referring to Other M. They just happened to go with those ideas for Other M. It's basically a canon retcon.