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[Blader]

Say what you will about the quality of the movie, the quality of Warners' marketing for Man of Steel was very good at promising a real event. Of course, this is going to lead to added disappointment for those who were already not too happy with the quality of Snyder's film, but that speaks very strongly to how well Warners' sold the fact they were bringing Superman back and you NEEDED to see it.

heh, I don't know, I never really got that impression myself.

They definitely sold the fuck out of TDKR ('the legend ends" and so on) but I never saw any similar "This is a major event and you need to see it!" type press for Man of Steel. Then again, I haven't had cable since 2012!

 

[Raguel]

and for all the talk of Cap 3 having momentum and Man of Steel being "ho-hum", MoS had the bigger opening and likely will end up with a bigger overall gross. So who really has the momentum?

One big difference: MOS opened in the heart of summer while Cap 2 opened in beginning of April. MOS had the upper hand in that respect while CAP 2 did not. The big test is the 2nd weekend. MOS dropped a whopping 64%. Thats a horrendous drop. Let's see what numbers cap pulls in it 2nd weekend. My guess is it'll prob be much better than MOS. Esp since CAP 2 is a much better movie.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

and for all the talk of Cap 3 having momentum and Man of Steel being "ho-hum", MoS had the bigger opening and likely will end up with a bigger overall gross. So who really has the momentum?

It's probably way too early to say, but Thor 2 almost topped Man of Steel. Considering Cap 2's opening weekend I have no doubt it'll beat out Thor and possibly MoS, being pretty unopposed for the rest of the month. Cap 2 is certainly a better movie with more post-release buzz than either of them, IMO.

 

[richiek]

Who's directing Cap 3 thooo?

The Russos. Marvel was so impressed by positive test screenings that they immediately signed them for 3.

 

[Malreyn]

It's insane that Cap3 can be considered to be able to witstand Superman vs Batman. Who would have thought just few years ago...insane.

That's just a testament to how well received Cap 2 is that has changed everyone minds about this whole cap3 vs BvS

 

[SargerusBR]

If they moved it, it wouldn't be because of that.

You don't really need to sell a Batman and Superman movie.

Warner/DC won't risk losing money. Like others said, Cap 3 will have momentum by being only one year after Avengers 2 and the overall critical success Cap 2 is getting it.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Who's directing Cap 3 thooo?

If Marvel is smart, they'll make sure it's the Russo's again.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Cap 3 is being done by the Russos again.

Just to clear that up.

 

[y2dvd]

They've already made sure. The bros are coming back for Cap3.

 

[richiek]

Yes, the Russos are coming back for Cap 3.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Honestly, at this point, they should maybe move them to the Avengers movies proper.

 

[okdakor]

In Cap 2, you never say to yourself "wtf, Cap would never do that !", or "why does he fight like that ?"... Batman and Superman have to prove themselves.

 

[Blader]

Honestly, at this point, they should maybe move them to the Avengers movies proper.

Well, Whedon is still the man who made the third highest-growing movie ever. He might be totally irreplaceable, but unless there's some unsolvable financial dispute or he ends up completely burned out, I don't see any reason why Marvel would give the gig to someone else.

that being said, I have no doubt in mind that if Whedon does drop out after Ultron, then the Russos will probably be the #1 choice to replace him.

 

[Spinluck]

Yes, the Russos are coming back for Cap 3.

I thought you were trolling me lol.

Great news.

 

[Toa TAK]

Well, Whedon is still the man who made the third highest-growing movie ever. He might be totally irreplaceable, but unless there's some unsolvable financial dispute or he ends up completely burned out, I don't see any reason why Marvel would give the gig to someone else.

that being said, I have no doubt in mind that if Whedon does drop out after Ultron, then the Russos will probably be the #1 choice to replace him.

Right now, that sounds ideal.

But I'm in no rush to replace Whedon, I thought he did a great job with The Avengers, the right guy for the job.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Well, Whedon is still the man who made the third highest-growing movie ever. He might be totally irreplaceable, but unless there's some unsolvable financial dispute or he ends up completely burned out, I don't see any reason why Marvel would give the gig to someone else.

that being said, I have no doubt in mind that if Whedon does drop out after Ultron, then the Russos will probably be the #1 choice to replace him.

Plus he does double duty on screenplay.

 

[injurai]

Right now, that sounds ideal.

But I'm in no rush to replace Whedon, I thought he did a great job with The Avengers, the right guy for the job.

I'd imagine he's enjoying his position. He is a huge comic book fan, this is probably a dream come true for him. Just depends when he fills satisfied with what he has down. I'm assuming he will do A3 as well. Beyond that he might move on.

He's sitting pretty because between the avenger's he's still doing his artsy projects. He's had to have made a good buck through his position.

 

[Ovid]

DC will move the date on BvS, that is inevitable. They lack the confidence Marvel has.

The ultimate face off.

 

[Schweinehund]

I doubt it's that clear cut.

Marvel has been continuously winning and hyping all their movies as a collaborative franchise, and Captain America 2 is the best yet. Avengers 2 will set up Captain America 3 to make tons of moolas.

DC only had a lucky run with Dark Knight because Heath Ledger made it incredible, but the rest of their movies are pretty terrible.

Pairing the two most popular heroes together seems to be a winning formula imo. I'd be more wary if it were Avengers, but its just captain. Not trying to make cap sound like he's insignificant, but DC's two most popular heroes and arguably one of them is the most popular hero in America, and the other is probably the most popular amongst older people. If the movie is just a flop then maybe overall it will be less, but I think BvS will have a bigger opening fo sure.

 

[Father_Brain]

Captain America is a more US-centric property in its appeal than Superman or Batman, so I'm skeptical that it can beat WB's film at the global box office.

Domestically, though, it actually could give Untitled Superman/Batman Film a run for its money.

 

[Korten]

Captain America is a more US-centric property in its appeal than Superman or Batman, so I'm skeptical that it can beat WB's film at the global box office.

Domestically, though, it actually could give Untitled Superman/Batman Film a run for its money.

To be fair, First Avenger made more Foreign, then it did Domestically.

Domestic: $176,654,505 47.7%
+ Foreign: $193,915,269 52.3%

 

[Jest Chillin]

Plus he does double duty on screenplay.

Let's not forget he's in charge of the overall direction of the entire MCU. It's fairly safe to say he's had a hand in every Phase 2 movie to some extent (with possible exception to IM3? Not sure on the timing of that).

 

[TheJollyCorner]

what are the contract deals for the current Avengers?

Didn't Downey Jr. say he's done after Avengers 3 or did I imagine that?

It's going to be brutal recasting those guys, as once all is said and done I'd imagine each will have at least 3 solo films + 3 Avengers films + the various cameos.
That's a ton of exposure.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Let's not forget he's in charge of the overall direction of the entire MCU. It's fairly safe to say he's had a hand in every Phase 2 movie to some extent (with possible exception to IM3? Not sure on the timing of that).

I'm not forgetting any of this shit. I'm just saying I'd rather see a Russo brothers Avengers movie right now.

 

[Blader]

what are the contract deals for the current Avengers?

Didn't Downey Jr. say he's done after Avengers 3 or did I imagine that?

It's going to be brutal recasting those guys, as once all is said and done I'd imagine each will have at least 3 solo films + 3 Avengers films + the various cameos.
That's a ton of exposure.

Including Avengers 2:

Downey is 5/6
Evans is 4/6
Hemsworth is 4/6
Ruffalo is 2/6
Scarlett is 4/8
Jackson is 7/9

I don't know what Renner's deal is. But the core three + Fury would have fulfilled their contracts by Avengers 3, and at least Downey and Evans won't be back after that.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Including Avengers 2:


I don't know what Renner's deal is. But the core three + Fury would have fulfilled their contracts by Avengers 3, and at least Downey and Evans won't be back after that.

Eh, too soon to say. 2017/18 is a long way away and people change their minds. I won't be surprised if Downey is well and truly gone due to age but I wouldn't surprise to see Evans re-up again.

 

[nomis]

Honestly, at this point, they should maybe move them to the Avengers movies proper.

They don't write. When a writer director can execute the way he did on Avengers, why would you ever want to add more cooks to the process?

Maybe if Whedon fucked up, it would make sense to be like "Ehhh apparently being able to visualize shooting when he was scripting didn't help him hold this thing together", but he didn't, and it did stick.

I'm not forgetting any of this shit. I'm just saying I'd rather see a Russo brothers Avengers movie right now.

Don't get me wrong, I'd hypothetically love to see their version of a teamup movie. But not at the expense of the actual Avengers 2.

 

[Mayyhem]

Much more excited for Cap 3

 

[Father_Brain]

To be fair, First Avenger made more Foreign, then it did Domestically.

Domestic: $176,654,505 47.7%
+ Foreign: $193,915,269 52.3%

True, but I believe TWS is tracking a ways behind TDW in international box office, and the latter only slightly outperformed MoS outside the US.

...actually, until I googled it, I hadn't realized that TDW outperformed MoS outside the US, so maybe I'm wrong here. We'll see.

 

[Blader]

Eh, too soon to say. 2017/18 is a long way away and people change their minds. I won't be surprised if Downey is well and truly gone due to age but I wouldn't surprise to see Evans re-up again.

Evans already has one foot out in the door. He doesn't like acting and hasn't been shy about the fact that as soon as his Marvel contract is done he's going to quit acting and move into directing.

 

[anaron]

The russos did a fantastic job but you can't beat a good writer and director combo. Whedon nailed the Avengers and I'd like to see him on board for as long as possible.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Eh, too soon to say. 2017/18 is a long way away and people change their minds. I won't be surprised if Downey is well and truly gone due to age but I wouldn't surprise to see Evans re-up again.

I hope RDJ sticks around at least till 2020-2021. Then retire like a goddamn boss.

:/

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

The more I hear about Superman/Batman the more likely I'll probably bypass it. MoS was among my least favorite superhero movies, along with Fantastic 4 and Spiderman 3. And I have little interest in a Batman film without a stellar villain.

I disliked CA1, didn't even want to see CA2, but after watching it... I will be in for CA3 opening weekend. CA2 was awesome.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

Well, we are back at it again. What do I know?

Edit: Did we ever back down though lol

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Evans already has one foot out in the door. He doesn't like acting and hasn't been shy about the fact that as soon as his Marvel contract is done he's going to quit acting and move into directing.

And if the the directing doesn't pan out?

How many actors say they are going to retire and then don't manage to take more than a year off?

If RDJ exits after Avengers 3 then I can see Marvel throwing a buttload of money at Evans to anchor Avengers 4 just to keep continuity while they break in another actor for Stark.

I'm not slighting Evans in the slightest. I'm just saying that three or four years is a lot of of time to change his mind so I'm not taking anything he says about his post 2017 plans very seriously at the moment.

 

[phazedplasma]

I wonder if people might have marvel fatigue by then and choose a DC franchise over Cap. The demographic for both films is very similar.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I never understood Faora's popularity outside of...she's really pretty?

shes' effective. She stole the movie for me, and yes she is very pretty while doing very terrible things.

 

[Gorillaz]

I think Cap 3 will hold it's own now, especially after how well 2 was and how well it's been received. Which is good because with no Iron Man standalone film in phase 3 they need a "big hitter" outside of Avengers.

As Bobby mentioned tho, DC will go on a marketing blitz like no other, building up the hype of finally seeing Batman v Superman with a few other friends and the most well known villain in Sups catalog. That alone, regardless of how much of a clusterfuck it will be (which I think it certainly will be a huge one) will get attention.


It's too far out but Cap 3 seems to have a better footing in both characters and directors/writers then World's finest

 

[chickdigger802]

i still find it weird that something called captain america does well internationally at all lol.

 

[KalBalboa]

IIt's too far out but Cap 3 seems to have a better footing in both characters and directors/writers then World's finest

World's Finest picked up the fellow who most recently won the Oscar for best screen writing (Argo) along with a silent firing of Goyer, so I think that's worth considering.

 

[y2dvd]

I'd imagine Disney's Marvel Studios will be able to obtain more screenings than Warner Bros, giving Cap3 a bit of an edge outside of reeling from an awesome Cap2 and also reeling from Avengers 2.

Disney got deep pockets and Marvel got plenty of movies lined up in the future while WB/DC has The World's Finest and then...?

I'd give Disney favors if I were theaters.

 

[KalBalboa]

Whichever one is doing better some that summer is likely to come out a week or two earlier, I'd wagger. I don't know if either studio would delay, even a week, out of confidence-shaking.

If, say, Cap'n 3 was done ahead of schedule, even a week, I wouldn't be shocked if it hit earlier. Same with World's Finest.

 

[Amentallica]

I've no faith in the Superman/Batman movie, or any DC movie for that matter, so I hope it does terribly and WB stops fucking the license in the ass.

Better yet, I hope Disney buys DC.

 

[okdakor]

the most well known villain in Sups catalog.

Jesse Eisenberg as a former street gang leader with tattoos

 

[PeskyToaster]

The same directors and writers of Cap 2 are in for Cap 3. Can't wait. I have no faith in WB to make a great film. I'm sure Nolan dragged them to greatness kicking and screaming but now their left with nothing. I will see both but I'm way more hyped for Cap 3 after Cap 2.

 

[Discotheque]

I never would have guessed it but now it's entirely possible that cap 3 could be better than world's finest. Even though the latter excites me more

Captain America is now the best prospect in marvel studios until ant man comes along.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

They don't write. When a writer director can execute the way he did on Avengers, why would you ever want to add more cooks to the process?

Because as of their first film, they appear to be better at the directing of movies than he is?

The russos did a fantastic job but you can't beat a good writer and director combo.

Sure you can. I'm confused as to how what you just said is at all axiomatic. Most of the best films I've seen don't feature a guy who both wrote & directed the movie. You'd have to be able to prove that the best movies are made by a guy who wrote and directed the picture.

Now, if you wanted to argue that writing/directing is the best way to ensure purity of personal artistic vision across the board, that's something else - but since we're talking about SUPERHERO MOVIES tying into a shared continuity, personal artistic vision isn't anywhere near as much as a factor.

At that point, it's a matter of who is coming up with a great story, and who can execute it well. That doesn't NEED to be the same person.

 

[Blader]

And if the the directing doesn't pan out?

How many actors say they are going to retire and then don't manage to take more than a year off?

Aren't a lot of those more "I'm taking a year off" than full on retirements? And they don't really feel like time off for audiences because in the time they aren't acting anymore the movies that they made 1-2 years ago start coming out.

I'm just saying what Evans himself has been saying for the last few years, which is that he finds acting uncomfortable and doesn't like putting himself in movies where he can't see as well what the end result will look like. The minute that contract is up, he's going to throw himself behind the camera and not look back. And yeah, maybe if his directing career absolutely tanks, he'll come back to Marvel looking to act again -- though by then, Marvel will have already long moved on without him anyway.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I think Cap 3 will hold it's own now, especially after how well 2 was and how well it's been received. Which is good because with no Iron Man standalone film in phase 3 they need a "big hitter" outside of Avengers.

As Bobby mentioned tho, DC will go on a marketing blitz like no other, building up the hype of finally seeing Batman v Superman with a few other friends and the most well known villain in Sups catalog. That alone, regardless of how much of a clusterfuck it will be (which I think it certainly will be a huge one) will get attention.


It's too far out but Cap 3 seems to have a better footing in both characters and directors/writers then World's finest

We know for sure that Phase 3 won't have an Iron Man movie?

 

[Blader]

We know for sure that Phase 3 won't have an Iron Man movie?

Downey is doing Avengers 2 and 3 but not Iron Man 4. So it stands to reason that there won't be an Iron Man 4 before Avengers 3.