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I think this proves even more so that they are in.
Also, the aforementioned Rosalina & Luma, who have far more complex buddy mechanics.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun
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Also, the aforementioned Rosalina & Luma, who have far more complex buddy mechanics.
Zelda and Peach didn't get that upgrade, though.
uncleniccius
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I guess the fact that he was already in one is a valid argument, but it still feels to me as if he shouldn't have been in it.
Thanks, considering the fact that my friends all play Falco/Fox I can imagine that those things actually make him really different, as the more I play the less similar I feel that Fox/Falco are.
Red Arremer
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I am pretty sure that the "multiple character" statement was in relation to the transformation characters, and not the Ice Climbers. That "like the Ice Climbers" line was added by IGN, not outright said by Sakurai.
The point was more the fact that those characters needed to have all of their movesets being loaded into the match before or while (that was how it was handled in Brawl) transforming.
Ice Climbers always have the same moveset and once they're loaded, they're loaded.
The point was more the fact that those characters needed to have all of their movesets being loaded into the match before or while (that was how it was handled in Brawl) transforming.
Ice Climbers always have the same moveset and once they're loaded, they're loaded.
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Zelda didn't, thankfully. Peach did. Compare her bust size between Brawl and the Wii U version.
In terms of my predictions of who's getting the cut and who isn't;
Jiggs, Cap and Ness will probably be in since along with Luigi (who Sakurai gave recompense on account of Year of Luigi) they're the hidden four. I know a lot of people have said that another Pokemon character would be too much but theoretically, Brawl had six, so that would put the amount of Pokemon here to five, which even in roster terms means there's one more addition between Brawl and now.
Dr. Mario, Roy, Young Link and Pichu are practically guaranteed no-shows. That much should be obvious, and I don't expect Sakurai to bring back Mewtwo either despite hopes and the revived interest due to Project M.
Ice Climbers I see being in the "more than likely" camp because I just don't see much of a reason why they'd receive the cut, especially when Sakurai said "limitations haven't been a problem so far" for Smash characters. Mr. Game & Watch will probably also stay alive and I also expect Meta Knight. Wario is all but confirmed now that Ashley is an Assist Trophy and Waluigi/Ashley also confirming the "Wario" franchise rep logo. Ganondorf will probably be confirmed post-release assuming he isn't a Cap clone again.
Everyone else I'm really iffy about. R.O.B. is unique enough to continue as his own character but he really strikes me as a one-off in some aspects. Perhaps he'll continue by virtue of being one of the "unique" characters so I'd say his chances are 50/50 at best. Same goes for Lucas because despite a resurgence of Earthbound popularity I wonder where the precedence will be for another character who's of region exclusive origin, but he seems varied enough to stay in.
Ike doesn't really seem like he has much relevance in terms of Fire Emblem anymore, in some ways I feel if we're going to have Chrom in it, one of the sword dudes would have had to go, and if Marth is in then Ike is ripe for the picking. Even if all of the characters are sword-based combat-ready users, the Fire Emblem series never really seemed to spell out any explicit abilities that the Smash series shows. If Ike would be in the game I don't see where the dividing line would be between all Fire Emblem inclusions if Chrom is included, and this isn't even accounting for the fact that Shulk might be included as another sword user.
Snake I expect to get the cut unfortunately. Loved the man in Brawl but even assuming Kojima was coy about his knowledge of his inclusion, there seems to be a big lack of context surrounding justification for his inclusion this time around.
The Star Fox inclusions is where it gets tricky. Wolf is a lot more varied in terms of being a "clone", but Falco has more history with Smash Bros and is probably the second most popular main role here. Hopefully Sakurai manages to balance out their differences more this time around (i.e giving them different final smashes for one).
Jiggs, Cap and Ness will probably be in since along with Luigi (who Sakurai gave recompense on account of Year of Luigi) they're the hidden four. I know a lot of people have said that another Pokemon character would be too much but theoretically, Brawl had six, so that would put the amount of Pokemon here to five, which even in roster terms means there's one more addition between Brawl and now.
Dr. Mario, Roy, Young Link and Pichu are practically guaranteed no-shows. That much should be obvious, and I don't expect Sakurai to bring back Mewtwo either despite hopes and the revived interest due to Project M.
Ice Climbers I see being in the "more than likely" camp because I just don't see much of a reason why they'd receive the cut, especially when Sakurai said "limitations haven't been a problem so far" for Smash characters. Mr. Game & Watch will probably also stay alive and I also expect Meta Knight. Wario is all but confirmed now that Ashley is an Assist Trophy and Waluigi/Ashley also confirming the "Wario" franchise rep logo. Ganondorf will probably be confirmed post-release assuming he isn't a Cap clone again.
Everyone else I'm really iffy about. R.O.B. is unique enough to continue as his own character but he really strikes me as a one-off in some aspects. Perhaps he'll continue by virtue of being one of the "unique" characters so I'd say his chances are 50/50 at best. Same goes for Lucas because despite a resurgence of Earthbound popularity I wonder where the precedence will be for another character who's of region exclusive origin, but he seems varied enough to stay in.
Ike doesn't really seem like he has much relevance in terms of Fire Emblem anymore, in some ways I feel if we're going to have Chrom in it, one of the sword dudes would have had to go, and if Marth is in then Ike is ripe for the picking. Even if all of the characters are sword-based combat-ready users, the Fire Emblem series never really seemed to spell out any explicit abilities that the Smash series shows. If Ike would be in the game I don't see where the dividing line would be between all Fire Emblem inclusions if Chrom is included, and this isn't even accounting for the fact that Shulk might be included as another sword user.
Snake I expect to get the cut unfortunately. Loved the man in Brawl but even assuming Kojima was coy about his knowledge of his inclusion, there seems to be a big lack of context surrounding justification for his inclusion this time around.
The Star Fox inclusions is where it gets tricky. Wolf is a lot more varied in terms of being a "clone", but Falco has more history with Smash Bros and is probably the second most popular main role here. Hopefully Sakurai manages to balance out their differences more this time around (i.e giving them different final smashes for one).
The heels make sense because they look like they are meant to act like springs that both help her jump higher and cushion her falls. If you watch her bounce around on them in the trailer they look pretty springy. They're like Chell's high fall boots from Portal.
Neoriceisgood
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Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
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a) they got larger (somehow), b) you're assuming I liked the Other M redesign (I didn't).
This is Samus:
Tall, muscular, of moderate bust size. In general, built like the bounty hunter she is. Not what we're getting from Smash: a 5'9'' swimwear model.
Looks like it gives random status debuffs, sort of like the Luigi's Negative Zone. Fox shrinks and both him and Triple D appear to take poison damage, and possibly move slower as well.
Actually Zelda did get the same upgrade. Seems like it happened across the board.
I mean, she's not ZSS levels, just that there was a noticeable change.
Red Arremer
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However, Wolf was planned to be in Smash 64's roster, and again almost made the cut in Melee (he was considered for the Fox clone, but Falco was ultimately chosen for his visual differences to Fox), so while Falco has the seniority, Sakurai wanted to have Wolf since the very first game.
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Actually Zelda did get the same upgrade. Seems like it happened across the board.
I mean, she's not ZSS levels, just that there was a noticeable change.
Wow, I hadn't even noticed as I was too irritated by Samus to examine Zelda's new design properly. They literally just up'd every female character's breast size. That's awful. :/
Anybody think that Olimar's new final smash is going to be related to throwing rock pikmin?
I wish.
#TeamNoCuts
You're gonna need DAYS to sprite all the assist throphies.
After E3 there's going to be some crow to eat.
Benzychenz
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I guess you could say you're feeling a bit crabby about it.
I wouldn't say "awful". It's just a thing that happened.
Oh c'mon, it's barely noticeable. And when the game is zoomed out, you won't see crap.
It's like "congratulation, you went from a size A to AA".
You're all crazy.
Not really but...
I think AA is smaller than A.
Oni Link 666
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I think the technical challenges refer to the 3DS's power and not the complexity of the character's mechanics. The 3DS has plenty of buttons to do whatever you could with a GC controller. Maybe having 8 characters plus items was too much for the 3DS. Luma and the Pikmin are not comparable to real fighters they probably have the polygon count of items or assist trophies.
BassForever
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Wonder if they really would do an Ice Climber and make Popo/Nana fight by themselves
Dagobert Duck
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Well hello there, you got some very evident feminine characteristics there *tips fedora*
Sorry it just sounded to good.
Its not that bad I guess you wont notice it in the game I guess. Unless Sakurai added boob-physics
Tripping is out but now the male fighters will get stunned by bouncing boobsCan Olimar really be an example of running fine?
He cut Olimar down to 3 Pikmin and re-tooled some of his fighting style because of it. If he had left Olimar with 5 Pikmin then that would have been a total of 24 characters in the event of a 4 man FFA with Olimar.
If you have big boobs it means you're just an object.
Well hello there, you got some very evident feminine characteristics there *tips fedora*
Sorry it just sounded to good.
Its not that bad I guess you wont notice it in the game I guess. Unless Sakurai added boob-physics
Now jiggle physics would be out of place, in SSB. Much more than than a cup size upgrade for Samus/Zelda, which in normal gameplay you are never gonna notice anyway.
Looks like they pulled her straight out of Brawl. Same goes for Knuckle Joe.
Jawmuncher
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I do think the yellow is a bit garish, though. Which do you prefer?
I'm a fan of the Orange.
Oh hell no! He was fine for the last three games and Lucas even upped him without a problem. It is no problem to have a character that takes time to learn - especially in a line-up of about 50.
Also - which are the ones being simplified?
Magenta/Pink.
I actually think yellow works pretty well, but I don't like that she already has glowing things in a different color.
One other thing I don't get: Why the hell is her hair band red?
Dagobert Duck
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You know i was joking right?
By the way, do we know anything about gamepad-use? Not really or did I miss something?
Neoriceisgood
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I like the yellow, it looks like Samus has bloody construction vehicles on her feet.
I'm looking forward to spriting her.
I'm looking forward to spriting her.
Ah yes, I forgot, Zelda is now nought but a floating pair of C cups now. It's the tragedy that befalls all that dare to step beyond the realm of the A or Bs.
I know. But I've seen people ask for such physics before.
I would only incorporate them into one character:
Wario
Neon Blue heels are excellent.
Well, the boots aren't part of her Zero Suit, so it's okay they can be a different color. They're like some upgrade she strapped to her suit.
Kamiya, maybe.
Baron von Loathsome
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I'm going through the Direct, looking for new arrangements of themes from Nintendo games. Here's what I've got:
Tortimer Island Minigame (Animal Crossing: New Leaf)
Ballad of the Goddess (Skyward Sword)
Rocketbarrel Theme (Donkey Kong Country Returns)
Area 6 (Star Fox 64) (This one sounds different from the Brawl version to me, though again, not 100% sure)
Fairy Fountain Theme (Zelda series)
Gerudo Valley (Ocarina of Time)
Green Greens (Kirby series)
World Map (Pikmin 2)
Flower Garden (Yoshi's Island)
Comet Observatory (Super Mario Galaxy)
Main Theme (Punch-Out series)
Kapp'n's Song (Animal Crossing: New Leaf)
Spark Man's Theme (Mega Man 3)
Training Menu (Wii Fit)
Opening/Character Select (Super Smash Bros.)
Trainer Battle (Pokemon X & Y)
Tortimer Island Minigame (Animal Crossing: New Leaf)
Ballad of the Goddess (Skyward Sword)
Rocketbarrel Theme (Donkey Kong Country Returns)
Area 6 (Star Fox 64) (This one sounds different from the Brawl version to me, though again, not 100% sure)
Fairy Fountain Theme (Zelda series)
Gerudo Valley (Ocarina of Time)
Green Greens (Kirby series)
World Map (Pikmin 2)
Flower Garden (Yoshi's Island)
Comet Observatory (Super Mario Galaxy)
Main Theme (Punch-Out series)
Kapp'n's Song (Animal Crossing: New Leaf)
Spark Man's Theme (Mega Man 3)
Training Menu (Wii Fit)
Opening/Character Select (Super Smash Bros.)
Trainer Battle (Pokemon X & Y)
Feminists maybe.
Yep.
Baron von Loathsome
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
On an unrelated note, my mind still not completely convinced that Greninja is confirmed for Smash 4. It just seems so surreal.
a) they got larger (somehow), b) you're assuming I liked the Other M redesign (I didn't).
This is Samus:
Tall, muscular, of moderate bust size. In general, built like the bounty hunter she is. Not what we're getting from Smash: a 5'9'' swimwear model.
That's one interpretation, one I like and I think she works better with Amazon proportions, but from DAY ONE Samus has always been a super model underneath the suit, let's not all pretend otherwise. Other M was ASS because it had shit writing and botched Samus' personality/character not because she shrank several inches.
If you couldn't notice it without someone posting a bunch of zoomed in stills (and I'm still not convinced there is actually a change in proportions) then its actually a complete non-issue.
I do think the yellow is a bit garish, though. Which do you prefer?
The Neon Blue works MUCH better than the bright yellow they were going for.
Don't do this