Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun

With the Retro Donkey Kong games now being a thing, I thought about how DK may have a new final Smash.

What I want: Rambi to be involved in some way

What we will get: Donkey Kong on his knees blowing flowers.
 
With the Retro Donkey Kong games now being a thing, I thought about how DK may have a new final Smash.

What I want: Rambi to be involved in some way

What we will get: Donkey Kong on his knees blowing flowers.
Maybe his final smash is punching the moon at the other characters.

1). METROID ZERO MISSION

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I don't even know/care where within the game but I just want the metroid stage to have that amazing comic art background. & besides this is the game ZSS originated from so they kinda have to add it.
I like this room.
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Man, nobody wants to take me up on my bet? Wimps.
I've already lost one too many bets.
 
Samus was actively pursuing him.

Also, there's more reason to believe he was looking at Samus because she was obviously powerful than because he recognized her; he later uses her to kill the Ki-Hunters for his own benefit.

I see no evidence for this "genetic memory" idea you've talked about other than "Ridley attacks Samus", which applies to every fucking enemy in the game.

And even if he did have Ridley's memories it wouldn't change the fact that he still isn't the same Ridley.
 
Samus was actively pursuing him.

Also, there's more reason to believe he was looking at Samus because she was obviously powerful than because he recognized her; he later uses her to kill the Ki-Hunters for his own benefit.

She wasn't doing anything when he went after her. He was actively pursuing her. He bid his time feasting on flesh, which is how he says he rebuilds his body according to the manga, and then once he was strong enough he hunted her down. He wasn't giving a shit about the guys guarding the entrance to the building. They were shooting at him when Samus ran downstairs but all he cared about was her. And then later he led her to his boss room and tried to kill her again. Dark intelligence.

And even if he did have Ridley's memories it wouldn't change the fact that he still isn't the same Ridley.

How wouldn't it? Is Ridley a different Ridley in every game since he blows up every time? If his brain got transplanted into a robot body he'd still be the same Ridley in the way we are talking about it. He'd be Ridley in a robot body. Other M Ridley is Ridley in a new body.
 
So making the following assumptions:
  • Every vet from Brawl is returning
  • The leaked list is 100% correct
  • There are no unknown fighters at this point

This would be what we'd be looking at:
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I think I'd be okay with this
Replace Snake with Mewtwo & I agree with this roster.
 
This thread has been moving fast. Going back, what do we think about Chorus Men from Rhythm Heaven being playable? And how reliable is that rumor? Do we really know the source is the same person?
 
She wasn't doing anything when he went after her. He was actively pursuing her.
She was murdering half the native wildlife including the large predators. That's a good indication that he could use her to forage for food, which he did. Baby Ridley is a scavenger who uses his voice to make large predators kill prey for him.

He bid his time feasting on flesh, which is how he says he rebuilds his body according to the manga,
Baby Ridley was eating to grow because he was a baby. Animals need to eat to grow. Speaking of which, since when did regeneration de-age you?

and then once he was strong enough he hunted her down. He wasn't giving a shit about the guys guarding the entrance to the building. They were shooting at him when Samus ran downstairs but all he cared about was her.
The first time he fought her in Biosphere, it was only after he attacked the people guarding the tower and she ran out to fight him. There's nothing to indicate that all he cared about was her, especially when he killed Lyle.

And then later he led her to his boss room and tried to kill her again. Dark intelligence.
Adam ordered her to find him and kill the creature whose roars were stirring up wildlife. She was chasing Ridley. There is no indication he set a trap for her of any sort.

You'll notice that after losing the second fight, he stays the fuck away from her.

This entire "genetic memory" shit is fanon. The game calls Ridley a clone, just like it calls the Metroids and Zebesian wildlife clones. You want to know why? Because they're clones.
 
This thread has been moving fast. Going back, what do we think about Chorus Men from Rhythm Heaven being playable? And how reliable is that rumor? Do we really know the source is the same person?
I don't think Gamatsu would lie. Considering Palutena is pretty likely and I didn't see anyone suggesting an X and Y pokemon alone, I'd say it's likely.
 
I think with Greninja making an appearance, and Lucario appearing for a second time, I wouldn't actually be too miffed if Mewtwo doesn't make an appearance this time.

It seemed like it was a no-brainer to see him return, what with his recent appearances in and out of the games, but honestly, I wouldn't miss him. He's cool and all, but we survived one game without him, and Greninja making an appearances has made me more complacent with leaving the past in the past so to speak and welcoming new faces, even if personally I wouldn't have expected Greninja at all, especially not outside of a Pokémon Trainer kinda situation with Chespin and Braixen.

We have so many Gen 1 reps already, and I'd be gutted if Jiggly got cut, but as it stands I'm not too bothered if Mewtwo doesn't make an appearance, though it would be nice I'll admit.
 
I played Project M for the first time this evening, it was awesome. I went in completely blind so I had no idea they had put in Mewtwo and Roy, t'was an awesome sight, that's for sure.

This thread has been moving fast. Going back, what do we think about Chorus Men from Rhythm Heaven being playable? And how reliable is that rumor? Do we really know the source is the same person?

If they turn out to be real, I'm very happy they are in. I love Rhythm Heaven, so seeing it get some love in Smash is awesome. I would have preferred the wrestler from Ringside, or a monkey, but the Chorus Men are cool too.
 
If they turn out to be real, I'm very happy they are in. I love Rhythm Heaven, so seeing it get some love in Smash is awesome. I would have preferred the wrestler from Ringside, or a monkey, but the Chorus Men are cool too.

Or the Samurai, since he's actually been in every game (and showed up in Game & Wario too).
 
Greninja's inclusion gives me a little flicker of hope that Wonder Red can make it in.
Since Pokemon X/Y came out October, and The Wonderful 101 came out August/September, there's still a chance.

As much as I'd love Wonder Red I think this is not happening and the comparison its not exactly accurate. Pokemon already has Reps in Smash, so picking a recent pokemon as rep isn't as far fetched as picking a new character from a single game that has no smash rep and that came out relatively recently.

The situation its more similar to that of Roy in Melee, but if IRC Marth was already decided and then Roy was suggested to Sakurai to promote the new Fire Emblem, he was gonna pick Leif I think.
 
I'm rewatching the Direct and I noticed in the online clips they used for Smash 4, some of the character portraits are ripped from Brawl. Maybe it's months-old footage, or this version really isn't as far along as the 3DS version.

Honestly, we all expected the Wii U version first because the console needs it, but also because of the lack of 3DS screens as POTD. Hopefully that means there's a lot more unannounced stuff for us to look forward to when it rolls around.
 
Since it just came up in the Twitter guy thread, here's again the icons for the Brawl stages that had no playable character:
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The Find Mii crown, Pilot Wings plane, Nintendogs paw print and Balloon Fight balloons are only there cuz of the stages.
 
She was murdering half the native wildlife including the large predators. That's a good indication that he could use her to forage for food, which he did.
She was in a control room doing computer crap when he tracked her down, and considering he paid no mind to the guys outside he was clearly going after her.


Baby Ridley was eating to grow because he was a baby. Animals need to eat to grow. Speaking of which, since when did regeneration de-age you?
When you have to start over from a splatter of DNA on your enemy's powersuit you kinda gotta regrow. In the literal sense of the word he is a clone, but since he seems to have his memories in tact he is essentially the same person he was before he blew up, just in a new body.


The first time he fought her in Biosphere, it was only after he attacked the people guarding the tower and she ran out to fight him. There's nothing to indicate that all he cared about was her, especially when he killed Lyle.
Watch that video again. He doesn't attack the people guarding the tower. He walks up to the tower, looks up, and sees Samus in the window. Then when Samus runs outside the people outside are shooting at the tower because Ridley has started climbing up to the window where he saw Samus. He sees that she's outside now and immediately tackles her.


Adam ordered her to find him and kill the creature whose roars were stirring up wildlife. She was chasing Ridley. There is no indication he set a trap for her of any sort.

You'll notice that after losing the second fight, he stays the fuck away from her.
Yes, after that fight he pretty much goes to the sector that is like his lair in other games and waits.

This entire "genetic memory" shit is fanon. The game calls Ridley a clone, just like it calls the Metroids and Zebesian wildlife clones. You want to know why? Because they're clones.
But the metroids and other wildlife aren't intelligent and don't harbor a very obvious vendetta against Samus. Just because his body is essentially cloned doesn't make him a different character if his memories are in tact, which the game makes indications that is the case.
 
Since it just came up in the Twitter guy thread, here's again the icons for the Brawl stages that had no playable character:
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The Find Mii crown, Pilot Wings plane, Nintendogs paw print and Balloon Fight balloons are only there cuz of the stages.

Possibly. I still think Mii is in the game.
 
This thread has been moving fast. Going back, what do we think about Chorus Men from Rhythm Heaven being playable? And how reliable is that rumor? Do we really know the source is the same person?

I personally believe the second one is BS regardless of it being the same person or not
 
This thread has been moving fast. Going back, what do we think about Chorus Men from Rhythm Heaven being playable? And how reliable is that rumor? Do we really know the source is the same person?

I'm skeptical about it. If he had just said Greninja outright, it would've been pretty legit.
 
New pac-man tin-foil-hat theory (by me):

Pac-man stage is going to be in the game. Maybe pac-man isn't, but his stage will be.

What's the most famous part about the stage other than the characters and pellets (and power pellets!)? The fact that you can wrap around once you go through the edge of the screen. Nintendo knows this, so they had to make code that allows characters to wrap around from left to right and right to left.

This is something NEW, not present in other smash games.
The 'Mario Bros.' stage SHOULD have allowed for this, but didn't.
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You died if you hit the edge of the stage, making this not fun. While, in the original Mario Bros game, the wrap-around was a mechanic, it wasn't FAMOUS for this mechanic.

Pac-Man *IS* famous for this mechanic. Everyone knows that. Tons of pop culture references to it. Futurama refers to it in the episode 'raiders of the lost arcade.'

It's so famous, it has to be programmed into smash 4 for the pac-man stage.

Now, nintendo is thinking, well, what franchises do we have that also incorporate this mechanic, maybe we can implement it into stages from those franchises.

As they're going down the list, the come across this game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSKXykKsIiA
Balloon fight. This game, too, features this mechanic.

now look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpT0gLC7-vU#t=286
What's that? Peach and samus wrap around? Well of course, balloon fight does that, but it isn't FAMOUS for that.


So that's my theory. The wrap-around mechanic was created because of the Pac-Man stage, and therefore implemented onto the balloon fight stage.

*Takes off tin-foil-hat*

I'll be here to quote myself when pac-man stage is revealed and has a wrap-around mechanic. Thanks :)

This is actually really fucking great speculation, man and GOOD EYE. The wrap around effect was sorely missing from the Mario bros stage in Brawl and I welcome it in Smash 4. They would be fools to not add a pacman maze stage, come on! Plus, you can't implement inky, blinky and crew properly w/o the wrap around effect!
 
I don't think Gamatsu would lie. Considering Palutena is pretty likely and I didn't see anyone suggesting an X and Y pokemon alone, I'd say it's likely.

Gematsu isn't lying. They are trusting a source that had previous submitted partially confirmed info that made an unexpected guess. We have to assume the source isn't lying. Also, most people didn't suggest an X or Y pokemon back when the roster prediction because we didn't know any pokemon that would be suitable and we assumed transformation would be around.
 
I think Chorus is pretty wild but yeah, I agree, that second list was way more out there and the only one it got right was a pretty vague non-specific character

I broke it up a bit more for where each presumed character is coming from:
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You forgot to highlight Meta Knight here. =P
 
Gematsu isn't lying. They are trusting a source that had previous submitted partially confirmed info that made an unexpected guess. We have to assume the source isn't lying. Also, most people didn't suggest an X or Y pokemon back when the roster prediction because we didn't know any pokemon that would be suitable and we assumed transformation would be around.
Yeah, exactly. I mean a few of those picks in the second leak are safe... X/Y Pokemon isn't one of them.
 
For Pokemon representation, I feel like we're gonna get Jigglypuff and Mewtwo with Ivysaur and Squirtle getting cut. And I'm quite happy with Greninja's inclusion.
He's essentially the Charizard of Gen 6.

And I also gotta say I get a kick out of watching people's live reactions to the newcomer reveals. Some are so funny.
This one being one of my favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LxfAmkXf0U

Smash bros reveals can cause side effects including and not limited to

Loss of voice
Sudden bursts of unexpected energy
Exploding genitalia
 
I mean, a Mii wouldn't use the same icon probably. Will the tamodachi stage use the crown as well?

Y'know I was thinking about that, and I think the crown symbol makes some sense. If we go back to the original Smash Bros where we took on the role of a child playing with his toys, then you could say that we were the kings and queens of the Smash universe, hence the logo. I'm probably just crazy though.
 
Hm... thinking about it, isn't the lack of a Mii icon for the Find Mii stage rather odd?

The crown doesn't seem like it'd be a Mii icon, only something specific to Find Mii (symbolizing the king) - however, if Mii were in the game, wouldn't Find Mii just be branded as part of the "Mii" series? That seems to suggest that there isn't an actual "Mii" character.
 
I don't think Gamatsu would lie. Considering Palutena is pretty likely and I didn't see anyone suggesting an X and Y pokemon alone, I'd say it's likely.

You don't exactly need a crystal ball to predict that a character from Sakurai's last game or the latest installment of the hyper-popular pokemon series is going to get a rep.
 
Greninja's inclusion gives me a little flicker of hope that Wonder Red can make it in.
Since Pokemon X/Y came out October, and The Wonderful 101 came out August/September, there's still a chance.

Man, the date when The Wonderful 101 came out is Wonder Red's smallest problem for getting in smash.
 
Since it just came up in the Twitter guy thread, here's again the icons for the Brawl stages that had no playable character:
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50px-DSSymbol.svg.png
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The Find Mii crown, Pilot Wings plane, Nintendogs paw print and Balloon Fight balloons are only there cuz of the stages.

Right, I don't understand why people can't really grasp the concept of stages getting icons. That don't meant anything for now until they reveal those characters. I remembered one thing about brawl hype. Everyone were expecting animal crossing representative, and they never got it. Hype really crushed them pretty bad.

Edited: Nice avatar. I wish I could watch that season but I couldn't afford it.

it's a bet on Ridley being playable

.....that lasts for a YEAR

Forget it.
 
I'm probably just crazy though.

Yes you are.

Hm... thinking about it, isn't the lack of a Mii icon for the Find Mii stage rather odd?

The crown doesn't seem like it'd be a Mii icon, only something specific to Find Mii (symbolizing the king) - however, if Mii were in the game, wouldn't Find Mii just be branded as part of the "Mii" series?

From what I can tell, every series is going to get a "home" stage where the respective character/series is going to be fought in arcade mode and whatnot. They've sorta done it with Brawl. It would explain why the Punch Out Boxing Ring is in both games, for instance, since that's honestly the only thing they could do for that series. However, games that don't fall into that category get their own icon as brand.
Tomodachi Collection seems very Mii-y to me, while Find Mii is pretty different. I think that Tomodachi Collection will be the Mii home stage on the 3DS, while Find Mii is gonna be an additional stage, thus getting the crown icon.

I believe that if we get the Mii, it likely will have a different icon (probably the "Mii" font thing they used before), and Tomodachi Collection will, as well.
 
Hm... thinking about it, isn't the lack of a Mii icon for the Find Mii stage rather odd?

The crown doesn't seem like it'd be a Mii icon, only something specific to Find Mii (symbolizing the king) - however, if Mii were in the game, wouldn't Find Mii just be branded as part of the "Mii" series? That seems to suggest that there isn't an actual "Mii" character.
Miis are in a unique position. There is no dedicated "Mii" series -- they debuted in a Wii channel, and they show up in games of all genres. Find Mii is technically its own thing, so it wouldn't necessarily have to be tied to the Mii character.
 
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