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Calling it now.

Fury tasked May to create this team.
Fury tasked Ward to be not reveal to anyone that he is undercover Hydra agent.
 
fallengorn said:
Paolo Rivera posted just the SHIELD/Hydra logo.

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All I see are crab legs.
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Same! Weird.

But I like it.

shield said:
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I hope Paolo Rivera keeps making these for Agents of SHIELD and the MCU.

His work is awesome
 
Cartman86 said:
Every interview so far seems to be very explicit in saying that Ward is Hydra. Not that it's a ruse to infiltrate...

I guess they could be lying?
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The fact that they are being so explicit in saying he's Hydra makes me even more convinced that he's not Hydra.
 
Patryn said:
And the attempts to make May cold and distant have just made her boring. Even the revelation that she's been spying on Coulson for Fury didn't really make her that interesting.
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Actually, I thought the most interesting revelation for May's character was that she was the one who put together the team originally and Coulson was just a puppet with no real choices in this whole affair.
 
Oh my god! Captain America TWS + this week's episode of AoS back to back!

:O

The twists just kept on coming, we got to see some good May action, the future looks grim and it complemented CA:TWS perfectly. Excellent episode, easily the best so far and this was actually some really good television.
 
DieH@rd said:
Calling it now.

Fury tasked May to create this team.
Fury tasked Ward to be not reveal to anyone that he is undercover Hydra agent.
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But even Fury
did not know that it was Hydra, or what it was, that SHIELD was actually infiltrated until
after his car was attacked
. How could he have set up a mole ahead of time for something he did not know about.
 
Zen said:
But even Fury did not know that it was Hydra, or what it was, that SHIELD was actually infiltrated until
after his car was attacked
. How could he have set up a mole ahead of time for something he did not know about.
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I didnt watched Capt2, so everything I theorize is pulled out of my ass. :D
 
Famassu said:
Oh my god! Captain America TWS + this week's episode of AoS back to back!

:O

The twists just kept on coming, we got to see some good May action, the future looks grim and it complemented CA:TWS perfectly. Excellent episode, easily the best so far and this was actually some really good television.
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oh yeah. TWS was fuckin' awesome and these past 2 AoS episode have been better than pretty much the rest of the season combined. I hope the remaining end-of-the-season arc can keep up with this quality (or even exceed it).
 
I quite like this reddit thread theory and summation of his character, makes me wish the writers were better at executing on what they are obviously trying to get at with him. Even if the allegiance part ends up wrong, This is actually a wonderful insight into who he is is as a character and distills what I feel his emotional state must be (Give or take Hydra allegiance thrown into the mix and an even greater amplification of self loathing and conflict between what he feels is right and what he is willing to do) pretty perfectly. Who would have thought that a reddit post would make him more interesting to me. Maybe I was just slow on the draw on putting all the pieces together though.

Note, this post contains spoilers up to S1E17, and I'm not bothering with spoiler tags because there's no point in having an entirely black page. Stop reading if you haven't seen Turn, Turn, Turn

I finally got the chance to watch Turn, Turn, Turn last night, and my read on the twist at the end is that it's a more psychologically complex moment than most of us seem to think.

I don't think Ward is truly SHIELD or Hydra anymore. I think he's written off his own life since he killed Thomas Nash, and is obsessed with only one thing -- protecting Skye with whatever time he has left.

This plays on his psychology quite a bit, but remember, the thing that drives Ward is the idea that he's protecting someone. Going back to his childhood, where one brother forced him to abuse another, he's been obsessed with seeing himself as a protector, to the point that he's spent his entire life dedicated to developing those skills. He freaks out when he can't protect a member of his team (I think it was when Skye was hospitalized? There's some earlier episode in which he punches a wall in frustration that someone on the team is in danger and he can't fix it by beating someone up.)

And he's in love with, or at least thinks he's in love with, Skye. He knows he probably can't be with her because of their professional relationship, but then his situation gets a step more desperate.

He kills an innocent man, and now he knows it. At that point, the phase of his life where he's a SHIELD agent on Coulson's team is over.

A lot has happened in a hurry since then, so it's easy to forget, but he starts this episode locked in the cell because they set out to take him to a secure SHIELD facility for questioning about the murder of Thomas Nash -- something he did to protect Skye.

Now he's likely to end up, at worst, in prison, or at best, have this incident buried and be re-assigned to some Siberian outpost, never to see anyone he cares about again. Where he can't protect anyone. And in his emotionally desperate state, he's finally stopped repressing it and projected all of that need to protect onto Skye.

Freak incidents free him, and what does he do? Obsessively protect Skye, even to the point of taking on six agents with nothing but a knife. He finally confesses his feelings for her, which, for him, is a desperate measure, and then he goes out to face ridiculous odds. It's just barely not suicidal.

He's acting like a desperate man who didn't expect to have another hour free of custody, and who will use it to protect Skye if at all possible.

Finally, he positions himself to be with the Clairvoyant, the biggest threat to Skye. Garrett has confessed to being the Clairvoyant, and whether you buy it or not, what's left of SHIELD seems to, and I think Ward does, too. But just killing Garrett would leave questions about who he answers to, and what they might do to Skye if they know that she has GH-325 in her bloodstream. He's not willing to take that risk.

So Ward is infiltrating Hydra, not on any SHIELD orders and not answering to anyone but his own conscience, to get close to them and eliminate the threat to Skye however he can. I don't think he cares if he dies in the process. He might prefer it, because living as a SHIELD prisoner, or a disgraced former agent with no contact with her, just isn't worth it to him.

He's not reporting to anyone. He's a free agent at this point. And he's a moral and psychological mess -- he'll murder his former fellow SHIELD agents just to get into a position where he thinks he can keep her safe. But it fits with what we know of his psychology from his past trauma.

I think he considers himself past saving, and is borderline suicidal, but he's going to go down keeping someone he cares about safe, because he's failed at the before and it haunts him.

That means he can probably never come back. If he survives this season, he'll be a psychological wreck and neither SHIELD nor Hydra will trust him again. But he doesn't care. He's redeeming himself for failing to protect his brother as a kid, and finally expressing love for someone, as a last act. I suspect he won't make it out alive and I don't think he wants to.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/22oywo/theory_spoiler_is_now_neither_spoiler_nor_spoiler/
 
Zen said:
I quite like this reddit thread theory and summation of his character, makes me wish the writers were better at executing on what they are obviously trying to get at with him. Even if the allegiance part ends up wrong, This is actually a wonderful insight into who he is is as a character and distills what I feel his emotional state must be (Give or take Hydra allegiance thrown into the mix) pretty perfectly. Who would have thought that a reddit post would make him more interesting to me. Maybe I was just slow on the draw on putting all the pieces together though.



http://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/22oywo/theory_spoiler_is_now_neither_spoiler_nor_spoiler/
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Damn.
 
Even if he is Hydra, it just amplifies how messed up and dangerous he is, in carrying out whatever he thinks is right (or obsessively focused on as a redemptive act) in the process of him going down in a ball of flames straight to hell.

I assume that anyone who was freaking out at the thought of the writers ignoring the killing of an innocent man can rest easy either way. :P

The way Ward looks from inside the transport from the end of the episode is positively deranged. The only other time he looks like that is when he finds out that May was reporting on all of them, and the reason he reacted so strongly to that is because it gave him someone to project all the guilt and self loathing he feels for being what he is onto someone else.
 
Altazor said:
oh yeah. TWS was fuckin' awesome and these past 2 AoS episode have been better than pretty much the rest of the season combined. I hope the remaining end-of-the-season arc can keep up with this quality (or even exceed it).
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I have a hard time seeing them going back to what was before, at least not to the lowest lows. The stakes are higher, the threat level just got a hell of a lot worse (they don't know who they can trust and they've got a SHIELD level organization more openly or at least a bit more aggressively a part of the world & very much against them) and we have some pretty big trust issues and drama between the team members + they just lost one of their better field agents, so that should make for some more interesting character interactions & situations as well.

I'm hoping season 1 will run with this kind of quality until the end, butt they will probably still have some weaker episodes and some weekly cases in at least Season 2, but I have faith they can be more interesting now that all bets are off. The team doesn't have to and, really, can't play by SHIELD's rulebook now or get any help from such a powerful organization, so that'll hopefully make even those weekly cases a bit more interesting (more spy thriller-y, less saturday cartoony). They'll have to find different ways to tackle "missions" than just leaning on all the bells & whistles SHIELD could provide them, so hopefully they can come up with something more interesting & exciting more often.
 
So, I'm going to make a prediction.

When Ward's a HYDRA villain, everyone's going to ride his dick and suddenly love him.

Then when he's redeemed he'll be hated again.
 
I got the feeling that Ward was going it alone. He's too far gone to return to SHIELD.

Wars sacrifices himself at the end, which results in Skye's powers manifesting.
 
If Ward was Hydra why did he continue helping our team after the signal came out, I guess. I think it could be shades of grey thing. He may or may not be Hydra, but so much time has passed that even Garrett was slightly unsure (and visibly smiling in the kind of way when something you are not sure of pays off) when Ward freed him. I am not really willing to go all in on any one explanation yet, I think no matter the path they take with explaining his actions (minus being a Fury mole which is unlikely to begin with) there is some great character and drama potential there.
 
Dat title change doe.

It's interesting how a character as dull as Ward portrayed by an even duller actor could spark such discussion. :D
That "Ward is doing it for himself/Skye"-theory does make sense. It also seems like something Whedon would do.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
I'm sorry... what is he doing for Skye?
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Trying to protect her. A reddit theory was posted that Ward, since his SHIELD time is over anyway, decides to go with Hydra, infiltrate them, and protect Skye from the people that would potentially harm her if they found out about the alien drug used to revive her.
 
I just rewatched the end of the latest episode and I have to say I love Bill Paxton's performance. You can tell he had a lot of fun with that.

Coolade said:
Garrett mentioned their being a "top brass". High enough to kill fury. He's probably doing whatever he has to, to find out who that is.
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May: Top brass?
Garrett: Tip top.

If you've seen TWS then you already know who he's talking about.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
I just rewatched the end of the latest episode and I have to say I love Bill Paxton's performance. You can tell he had a lot of fun with that.


May: Top brass?
Garrett: Tip top.

If you've seen TWS then you already know who he's talking about.
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Hey, Hail HYDRA.

Also Hand tells Coulson that they're both the only high ranking agents left.
 
Just watched this weeks episode. Far far too convenient at the end. From the way they characterised Hand, she'd never just forget about Skye 'a known enemy of shield' and Ward not proving their allegiance. She'd certainly not be taking Ward on a joyride to fridgeville just because.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
The last 2 episodes have been good, but it´s obvious that Ward is infiltrating Hydra.
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Probably but then they'd have to explain why he's just offed an innocent man and 3 Shield agents including the highest ranking surviving agent (with the exception of Maria Hill) in cold blood. It's a long way back from that, and not even this show can wipe it away with corny Coulson platitudes and a few shots of Ward attempting to look conflicted and confussed.
 
Ward gets blown up at the end.

Season 2. Our ragtag group of misfits assault a Hydra base in Europe. They rescue a prisoner.

Her name?

Jessica Drew.

Her suit could just basically be a SHIELD suit, but red and gold with goofy-yet-cool goggles. Her origin is ridiculous, but with the resurrection of Hydra you can create a new origin that ties in with her history in Hydra and SHIELD.

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For the "Ward is undercover" theory... why did he take the harddrive with all the super duper secrets with him then?

Because Skye totally gave him those after she made the backup and he totally never gave them back.
 
Alcoremortis said:
For the "Ward is undercover" theory... why did he take the harddrive with all the super duper secrets with him then?

Because Skye totally gave him those after she made the backup and he totally never gave them back.
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Yep. He take that with him. You can see hm in the next week promo with Garret using the 084.
 
Im pretty sure them having the blood drip down Hands hand at the end was them being as explicit as they could get with a firearm related death on a show with their rating. I would not be surprised if having her shot dead with a reaction shot similar to what they did with the Nash would have been deemed too graphic.
 
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