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To be fair, that's usually used to create interesting characters

Which I still think this show is so-so on

I want almost all of the main cast to be bit players on their own show

Having just started watching the show and only seeing the most recent episode, there are only about 3 interesting characters that I've seen (Coulson, May, and Paxton's character). Everyone else is pretty bad and it's not just the writing, the acting isn't all that great.
 
I like Coulson and Paxton. Everyone else on the show can die and I wouldn't care.

I didn't like Hand either. I know they stayed true to the comics and gave her the red died hair but really...why would a 45+ year old women who is a big figurehead on a secret government organization have red streaks in her hair? I can't look at her as a respectable professional with that going on. Just one thing I didn't feel translate well to live-action.

Not a huge deal just a minor gripe.
 
lol all of ign comments are hail hydra lol

these are amazing im laughing to hard

i got a chuckle out of this pic and i dont even watch HIMYM

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Yep, they're clearly hoping that the TWS fallout is the key to winning back a significant portion of the many viewers who quit watching earlier this season, hence the two hours devoted to it next week.

It doesn't seem to be succeeding right now, but it's at least worth a shot.

Its got me back in. i watched the first three or four episodes and promptly dropped the show. After watching TWS i immediately was curious about how the TV show would adapt. ive spent the last few days catching up. ive just finished the last episode and i can say rejoining was definitely worth it.

i cant remember exactly when things started turning around but i think it was around episode 8 or 9.
 
If you can't find a way to make your show interesting for the first 17 out of 22 episodes of the season, it's not because "oh, that's just how it was set up". It's because you have a shitty creative team.
 
Guys the last 4-5 episodes have been great. Let's not take that away from the creative team.

Keep I. Mind that Arrow wasn't that great to start off either. Not as bad as AOS but it was still meh. Took awhile to get good at the end of s1 then great in s2.

Since AOS has gotten a lot better lets give faith to the creative team in continuing this kind of quality. It awhile yes but it seems like they finally understand what the fans want to see.
 
That wasn't my point.

Well the creative team certainly wasn't changed. They were handcuffed by needing to interact with the MCU while at the same time being forbidden from revealing certain things so that the movies could have those reveals.

This is something that a few of us have mentioned since the very beginning. Being attached to the MCU makes writing AoS a very different beast than writing other comic shows that have had free reign to do nearly anything they want.
 
Catching up on some earlier eps, just watched 13 on Hulu. Not bad. Coulson and May make the the show as well as being a good duo.

Looks like the show at least later on made for a good watch. Will be there for a second season in whatever form that takes.
 
Last few episodes have been good. Large part due to The Winter Soldier. Certainly added a lot of depth in my eyes.

Latest episodes twist was pretty shocking... but it kind of feels very out of character. Where was the foreshadowing? Feels like something the writers did just to appease the fans...
I feel like Ward was fine outside the the cliche romance stuff.
 
Last few episodes have been good. Large part due to The Winter Soldier. Certainly added a lot of depth in my eyes.

Latest episodes twist was pretty shocking... but it kind of feels very out of character. Where was the foreshadowing? Feels like something the writers did just to appease the fans...
I feel like Ward was fine outside the the cliche romance stuff.

Jeff Berl and Loeb talk about the hints leading up:

LOEB: And part of what’s so much fun is being able to go back and look at the pilot and see where Coulson says to Ward, “we haven’t scores like yours since Romanov.” Now, at the time, you probably thought “oh, that’s a really good spy.” But then if you think about what Natasha has done with her life and the number of identities she’s had and the number of people that she’s burned along the way, that may have not been the best compliment to give somebody.

BELL: Let me put this on another level: Ward had put Garrett on this plane for a reason, and so he had to come in and be accepted to this team. And so if you’d look at how he related to everyone — Coulson loves projects. Here is a guy who didn’t have people skills. So Garrett says, can you help this guy Ward round off some of the rough edges? So he comes onto the team. Coulson is now vested, because he’s got a project. Who is Ward’s greatest threat? May. What does he do? He seduces her. Who is the one unknown on the team? Skye. He becomes her S.O. How do you get everyone rally around and trust you? You jump out of a plan trying to save someone else. Now, he had a parachute. Let’s say he failed to save Simmons, he would’ve been fine. Everything he’s done has solidified how people feel about him over the course of the season.

LOEB: And what was the next thing he had to do after he saved Simmons? He had someone on the plane who was jealous of him: Fitz. And what did they do? They went on a mission together and they had a really good time together. And a bromance was started. And that took care of that.

BELL: And then even when he was with Lorelei, and she was talking about the darkness inside of him and the other qualities, she saw something that a lot of other people hadn’t seen. So we feel like we laid things out pretty well. Because you don’t want to over tip your hand, but we think people are pretty smart, and you can look back and go, “oh yeah, it was all there the whole time if I had looked.” And what’s fun now that you’ve seen 17, watch it again, or watch 16 again, and every look Ward does seems to have a double meaning.
 
I would be lying if I said I didn't notice Ward acting a bit different these past few episodes, but I would've never have guessed him being HYDRA.
 
I'll accept it, but I'm not really convinced. Really easy to go back and add a double meaning to all those events. Like "seducing" May. I don't recall seeing that at all. Wasn't it just they both felt really messed up after holding the Berserker staff? The whole bit with Lorelie and the darkness within him... no shit, dude is a spy and has probably killed tons of people.
 
Finally watched this weeks. I have to say I really love this show. It started slow but I still liked it. It though has drastically improved. Not too often a show catches me the way this one has.
 
I'll accept it, but I'm not really convinced. Really easy to go back and add a double meaning to all those events. Like "seducing" May. I don't recall seeing that at all. Wasn't it just they both felt really messed up after holding the Berserker staff? The whole bit with Lorelie and the darkness within him... no shit, dude is a spy and has probably killed tons of people.

That's the point. To make it subtle and ambiguous. If the foreshadowing is too obvious, everyone calls it from a mile away and the twist has little to no effect. Good foreshadowing means that when you go back over the earlier material, you notice things that you didn't take particularly note before.
 
That's the point. To make it subtle and ambiguous. If the foreshadowing is too obvious, everyone calls it from a mile away and the twist has little to no effect. Good foreshadowing means that when you go back over the earlier material, you notice things that you didn't take particularly note before.

I guess I'm not convinced it was foreshadowing at all.
 
Just watched the episode on Hulu. This show is really picking up.

I really liked when they replaced the "Agents of Shield will be back in a moment" with the Hydra logo. Nice touch. Haha.
 
I guess I'm not convinced it was foreshadowing at all.

I can understand that given how some people have generally received the early episodes. It certainly doesn't help that it's Bell and Loeb talking up the foreshadowing like they personally penned and directed it. But I do believe it's always been apart of the larger plan and that the clues were there all along. Whedon and Tancharoen are talented and it's signature to the overall Whedon family style.
 
as someone who doesn't love comics or 'MCU', as far as the episode itself goes, I just found myself asking when Ward was going to turn. It was very telegraphed.

but then this is a show based on comics, so I won't bitch about it. Minor bit of moaning though.
 
Well the creative team certainly wasn't changed. They were handcuffed by needing to interact with the MCU while at the same time being forbidden from revealing certain things so that the movies could have those reveals.

This is something that a few of us have mentioned since the very beginning. Being attached to the MCU makes writing AoS a very different beast than writing other comic shows that have had free reign to do nearly anything they want.

And in every interview, they have not given a good reason why they had to dumb down the content of the episodes, just that they did.
 
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