Hyperactivity
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Damn, revealing a game you dont have approval for on the stage almost forces NAmco to approve
Miyamoto has guts to pull a stunt like that
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun
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Damn, revealing a game you dont have approval for on the stage almost forces NAmco to approve
Miyamoto has guts to pull a stunt like that
BassForever
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Sakurai "I really like Goroh as an assist trophy, his sword swings are very powerful and he looks funny running around the stage. He's the only f-zero related thing in this game due to time constraints
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Haha just kidding, we'll also have captain falcon in the game, as a trophy so you can remember your fond memories playing him in smash until now"
Totally see it happening
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Haha just kidding, we'll also have captain falcon in the game, as a trophy so you can remember your fond memories playing him in smash until now"
Totally see it happening
/s
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
49 is decent...? I think it'll be 39-45. 49 seems pretty insane, quite honestly.
DisconnectD
Member
Fuck it. I will take your bet. Ridley will be playable on the roster.
Who gives a shit.
I would be hype if a soul calibur guy got in.
Pekemen go screw off a cliff.
NOOO wait.
Give link a sigfried costume
DO IT SAKURAI
you don't even gotta change the voice.
I don't know why but after the direct, I feel like the roster's going to be big. 49 is actually looking on the lower side of things now, considering that transformation characters are getting full spots, Sakurai's gone on to openly note that this game's development is going wonderfully, and all the extra polish time going on between now and the Summer/Winter releases.
I'm thinking 50 to 54/55.
I'm thinking 50 to 54/55.
PorygonVandal
Member
If he doesn't have the appeal it won't be hype
Also Sakurai already gave a statement about fighting game characters
Benzychenz
Member
Brawl had 35, and Sheik and ZSS are now separate characters. Add the 6 newcomers announced and you have 43. So you're saying at best we'll get two more newcomers, then the rest will come with a cut? And at worst we're already at 4 cuts? :lol
Character decision is done by popularity and scope...not to mention Sakurai's whims. As such, a character that very few people know from a third party is an illogical decision.
Karsticles
Member
Who knows? Unless you have a source. Maybe Sakurai wanted to make the KI game.
Edit: plus, Brawl and KI have years between them. Pretty crappy marketing job there.
powerdrain
Member
I'm really opposed to the idea of EVERY character needing an alt costume.
One of my first posts on here said the same thing but I think it detracts from what the characters are about and how iconic they are as individuals.
It seems superfluous and while it's a nice way to represent more of the Nintendo universe as a whole I think it should only be used where applicable for example a character like Wii Fit Trainer or Villager who are the same character but it's merely a matter of gender. And in Wario's case he's equally recognised for his Mario appearances but also his own home series.
I think with Mac he's another one off. I wouldn't look into it too much and creating alternates is still quite taxing on resources and Sakurai wants the game out ASAP. Alternates aren't essential and as much as I'd like to play as the likes of Princess Daisy, Dry Bowser, or Dixie Kong, unless they change the voices of the characters it's still going to be Daisy moving like Peach and they have totally different personalities. Not that I want Daisy in despite my current avatar but it feels cheap and kinda loses some of the integrity of both characters that way just because they may be similar.
Call me a purist but it's just something I see thrown around a lot whether it be here or on blogs or speculation videos. I think the character's are fine as they are. I've had my money churned out many a time by the likes of Capcom over the years but it feels wrong in a game like Smash.
On a separate note i wanna say though that in Gamexplain's latest video I did agree with the whole first person camera angle thing. Before watching his video I contemplated if it was a new extra mode because they've used that viewpoint multiple times now.
Perhaps there's an Event Match where you have to play as Wire frame Mac and beat DK or something. It could make for some really crazy situations as a single player mode and as he said you can appreciate different elements of the stages more.
One of my first posts on here said the same thing but I think it detracts from what the characters are about and how iconic they are as individuals.
It seems superfluous and while it's a nice way to represent more of the Nintendo universe as a whole I think it should only be used where applicable for example a character like Wii Fit Trainer or Villager who are the same character but it's merely a matter of gender. And in Wario's case he's equally recognised for his Mario appearances but also his own home series.
I think with Mac he's another one off. I wouldn't look into it too much and creating alternates is still quite taxing on resources and Sakurai wants the game out ASAP. Alternates aren't essential and as much as I'd like to play as the likes of Princess Daisy, Dry Bowser, or Dixie Kong, unless they change the voices of the characters it's still going to be Daisy moving like Peach and they have totally different personalities. Not that I want Daisy in despite my current avatar but it feels cheap and kinda loses some of the integrity of both characters that way just because they may be similar.
Call me a purist but it's just something I see thrown around a lot whether it be here or on blogs or speculation videos. I think the character's are fine as they are. I've had my money churned out many a time by the likes of Capcom over the years but it feels wrong in a game like Smash.
On a separate note i wanna say though that in Gamexplain's latest video I did agree with the whole first person camera angle thing. Before watching his video I contemplated if it was a new extra mode because they've used that viewpoint multiple times now.
Perhaps there's an Event Match where you have to play as Wire frame Mac and beat DK or something. It could make for some really crazy situations as a single player mode and as he said you can appreciate different elements of the stages more.
While I understand, I don't care.
Sakura, give link a LOZ version of a Siegfried costume , do it.
I want characters with costumes from games they are not from.
BassForever
Member
I mean adding 10 newcomers doesn't seem that crazy, and we're splitting up transformations which can help pad out the numbers. Heck just looking at the rumored/"leaked" characters
Mii, Pac Man, Palutena, Shulk, Chorus Dude, and Chrom
That brings us to 35, then add the vets which are likely back (Rob, Ice Climbers, Ness, C Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, meta knight, Wario, Mr G&W, Falco) that brings us to 45 without the maybe characters like lucas, wolf, ike, ivysaur, squirtle, and snake along with any more newcomers that weren't rumored/"leaked"
49 doesn't seem like such a stretch unless you think a bunch of the unconfirmed vets are being cut or we're not getting more then 1-2 additional newcomers.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
The character separation means they had to put more work into each of them. As Sakurai has noted, adding characters is like multiplication, not a simple addition. If they were going for character balance first-and-foremost, then 49 characters just doesn't seem viable.
powerdrain
Member
Also the fact we have our first stage where you can't be smashed off the side with the Balloon Fight stage made me think a Pacman stage would work the same way like in the games.
That's a really interesting stage tbh. I don't like the stage but it will be fun.
BassForever
Member
So on your 39-44 roster who is being cut from the current unconfirmed vets and how many more new comers are we getting?
Unconfirmed vets
Wario
Rob
C falcon
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Ness
Lucas
Meta Knight
Wolf
Ike
Mr G&W
Squirtle
Ivysaur
Snake
If 44 is the max you think we'll get that means we're only getting 15 more characters between newcomers and vets. Either we know all but 2-3 of the newcomers or a whole bunch of original move set vets are being cut
Haven't seen anything yet, though I'm also sorely in need of an update for my desktop.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
That's WAY more than I'm expecting. I'm not a big fighting gamer, but are there any fighting games that come close to that number besides Marvel V. Capcom?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Yeah, Im going to say the roster will be about 48-52 characters
Benzychenz
Member
BassForever
Member
You forgot Ice Climbers and Falco too
Crap I even double checked lol
But my point still stands either we're getting only 2-3 more newcomers, a lot of vets are being cut, or the roster is bigger then we initially thought it would be
I'm gonna take the third possibility.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
No way Captain Falcon is getting cut, though I do understand the fear. I love Ness, and even though I logically know he's not going to get cut, I'm going to keep being a little nervous about it until he's confirmed to be returning.
Ness, Captain Falcon, and maybe Jigglypuff are really the only remaining vets I truly care about returning at this point. All the other vets I was pining for (Zelda, Sonic, Toon Link) are already back.
Ness, Captain Falcon, and maybe Jigglypuff are really the only remaining vets I truly care about returning at this point. All the other vets I was pining for (Zelda, Sonic, Toon Link) are already back.
Benzychenz
Member
Yup.
With Sheik, ZSS and solo Charizard announced I figured the roster was gonna be slightly bigger than I thought at 48-52 slots on the character select screen.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
I expect a few characters to get cut. As far as my predictions (In order of most likely to least likely):
Ike
Snake
Lucas
ROB
Wolf
Jigglypuff (only to make room for another, more relevant Pokemon)
I don't think that most of those will be cut, but I think those are really the only ones that could possibly be cut. The only ones I really expect are Ike and Snake...maybe Lucas.
Ike
Snake
Lucas
ROB
Wolf
Jigglypuff (only to make room for another, more relevant Pokemon)
I don't think that most of those will be cut, but I think those are really the only ones that could possibly be cut. The only ones I really expect are Ike and Snake...maybe Lucas.
ShockingAlberto
Member
"Okay, kids. Watch this Smash Bros. Direct and use the knobs in front of you to show whether you like something or not."
"Hey, stop it!"
"i don't get it! They like the moves, they like the graphics, that one kid seems to really like Ridley being a stage boss, what more do they want?"
"Okay, now raise your hand if you want this to be an incredibly balanced game where no character has an extreme advantage over another,"
"Ooh, ooh, me, I do, I do!"
"Alright, now raise your hand if you want tons of characters, each more fantastical than the last, represented faithfully to their own game universes without concern about interplay with each other."
"Ooh, ooh, me, I do, I do!"
"So you want fifty or more characters while wanting it to be far more balanced than ever before."
"And also you should win things for playing!"
"Hey, stop it!"
"i don't get it! They like the moves, they like the graphics, that one kid seems to really like Ridley being a stage boss, what more do they want?"
"Okay, now raise your hand if you want this to be an incredibly balanced game where no character has an extreme advantage over another,"
"Ooh, ooh, me, I do, I do!"
"Alright, now raise your hand if you want tons of characters, each more fantastical than the last, represented faithfully to their own game universes without concern about interplay with each other."
"Ooh, ooh, me, I do, I do!"
"So you want fifty or more characters while wanting it to be far more balanced than ever before."
"And also you should win things for playing!"
GhostTrick
Banned
"Okay, kids. Watch this Smash Bros. Direct and use the knobs in front of you to show whether you like something or not."
"Hey, stop it!"
"i don't get it! They like the moves, they like the graphics, that one kid seems to really like Ridley being a stage boss, what more do they want?"
"Okay, now raise your hand if you want this to be an incredibly balanced game where no character has an extreme advantage over another,"
"Ooh, ooh, me, I do, I do!"
"Alright, now raise your hand if you want tons of characters, each more fantastical than the last, represented faithfully to their own game universes without concern about interplay with each other."
"Ooh, ooh, me, I do, I do!"
"So you want fifty or more characters while wanting it to be far more balanced than ever before."
"And also you should win things for playing!"
Brillant !
Amazing.
Somehow I feel like I'm getting called out for thinking we're going over 50 reading this. :lol
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
The deal is done! SmashGAF are our judges, juries and executioners.
Only if he kept trying his best.
I can't dismiss both of your claims, but I think they are going to stick with blue haired Takamaru because there are three recent models of Takamaru having blue hairs.
I would be okay with Takamaru being Black or Blue haired if Kamiya or Sakurai decided to reboot his appearance.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think over 50 is fine.
I'm just saying, don't be surprised to see some sort of Moridoom-like domination in there.
I'm just saying, don't be surprised to see some sort of Moridoom-like domination in there.
StreetsAhead
Member
Listen, smart guy, all we want is 2,000 music tracks, 120 stages, 70 characters, 140 Assist Trophies, every single Pokemon (including genders, forms, and Megas), 1,000 unique trophies (no model imports), and 10,000 stickers.
Is that so much to ask?
Ah, gotcha.
Karsticles
Member
As long as everyone is viable, I am happy. Nothing below C tier. No ridiculous crap like Brawl Ganondorf this time. That is all I hope for.
Only one man makes Morridoom work, and the fact is that most of us will never play at a level where tiers are a deciding factor. It is mostly a tool for whiners while players like JWong get second place at Evo with Storm.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Sorry, but as long as there are around 50 characters, that's not gonna happen. Especially in a game like Smash Bros which has a large focus on "fun" gameplay over "competitive" gameplay.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Moridoom?
Honestly, even centralization doesn't bother me, as long as stuff is balanced. Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon have shown it can be done with how dominating Snorlax (we're talking 90% usage with this guy) and Tyranitar were in each of those
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Morrigan + Doctor Doom Team for UMVC3.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Im going to guess that they are incredibly powerful in that meta.
Well, all this competitive talk makes me want to go on Showdown. Missed first few months of the metagame development though, so Im going to be behind
NeonZ
Member
Pac-Man doesn't really have the appeal that third party characters should have either. Who is going to buy the game just to play as Pac-Man? I just don't see that happening. His series doesn't have that kind of personality following. That's the biggest problem I see with his inclusion, especially if it'll actually cost not only game budget itself, but also licensing from Namco.
Brawl already had 39 characters though... Sakurai always counted transformations as individual characters, so that doesn't change much. They had to be balanced both as an individual character and as part of a larger combined character, so I don't see how that'd make it easier to balance them. Do I really need to link Sakurai's quote again?
We already get things like a Captain Falcon with Blood Falcon's emblem and Peach in Daisy colors, including hair and skin color change. If you think alternates would hurt characters' identity, I don't see how those things aren't doing that already. If they already give Peach's Daisy colors, outright giving her Daisy's hairstyle and dress model, which would mostly change her front bangs and some more dress details, is hardly that big of a stretch. As far as representation and moveset goes, we have a case like Ness, where he mostly isn't even using his own attacks.
Now, we haven't seen alts that actually change a characters' name, but the Wii Fit Trainer suggests that even voice isn't out of limit this time. Besides, this time we seen to get a quite few trophies modeled just for Smash again. If they're going out of their way to make new models, why not make models that can actually add to the gameplay's visual too, and not just the trophy gallery?
Karsticles
Member
I think Sakurai has gone out of his way to show that this game is made with competitive in mind, just like Melee was.
It's not about playing as Pac-Man, it's about having Pac-Man in Smash as a symbol. Playing as Mega Man looks relatively uninteresting compared to Rosalina & Luma, Little Mac, Zero Suit Samus etc but there's no question having him in is a massive boost to Smash, and the same would apply to Pac-Man.
Personally I'd be hyped to see Mario v Mega Man v Sonic v Pac-Man battles in Smash.
The idea of third party characters isn't to get people to buy the game just to play as them.
Green Mamba
Member
If Samus has been decoupled from Zero Suit Samus then they really should have changed her generic Zero Laser Final Smash into something else.
theprodigy
Member
....not really dude
Karsticles
Member
Yeah, really, dude.
He's going out of his way to show things competitive folks might like to know, not necessarily that the game itself is going to be great for competitive folks.
...is probably a more accurate statement
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Have you already forgotten about Pichu?