Neoriceisgood
Member
I'm specifically talking about your wording about people "pretending" stuff. and don't tell me I "Need to sort stuff out with myself", thank you. That's incredibly rude.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun
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I'm specifically talking about your wording about people "pretending" stuff. and don't tell me I "Need to sort stuff out with myself", thank you. That's incredibly rude.
Troubled Bat
Member
1. Mega Man
2. Little Mac
3. Rosalina
4. Greninja
5. Wii Fit Trainer
6. Villager
2. Little Mac
3. Rosalina
4. Greninja
5. Wii Fit Trainer
6. Villager
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Well that's not what I was saying or implying. I think it's obvious by now I would be the type to directly say I think the people are faking. I don't think that, I'm of the impression that most of them actually wanted RH represented in some form which is fine by me. But once this rumor hit, instead of thinking of how the character could work, they auto jump to "AMAZING IDEA" it literally doesn't make any sense looking at those types of responses. The character could go any which way, there is no way to tell at this point. And I did not see enough people diligently discussing RH movesets for the amount of people I see saying "AWESOME!" I am legit asking, where these people came from.
Sorry about the offense. I hate people implying that I say something I'm not. I'm usually direct.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I really hope you can cancel the landing lag ;[
Troubled Bat
Member
I hope for this as well.
I only know about Rhythm Heaven because of this,
thus this would be my character of choice:
I'd also like a female WarioWare representative,
and since Ashley and Kat/Ana are assist trophies, I guess that just leaves Mona:
The art style is simply charming.
Darn you...Now I can't stop watching these videos. It's so...charming. Looks fun too.
That's just BS, you know they have moveset potential.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
This was in the first two games right? Was it a glitch or an intentional feature? I'm assuming the former, but damn if it didn't spice the game up.
theprodigy
Member
I never ranked too. 
1. Little Mac
2. Mega Man
3. Greninja
4. Villager
5. Rosalina & Luma
6. Wii Fit Trainers
Rosalina seems kinda complex. You're controlling two characters separately, not like Ice Climbers. I guess it will be easier than it looks but I'm still a bit afraid of it.
1. Little Mac
2. Mega Man
3. Greninja
4. Villager
5. Rosalina & Luma
6. Wii Fit Trainers
Rosalina seems kinda complex. You're controlling two characters separately, not like Ice Climbers. I guess it will be easier than it looks but I'm still a bit afraid of it.
C.Olimar788
Member
I dunno about in Smash 64, but in Melee it was definitely not a glitch. It would double the speed of the landing lag animation, which would be something pretty impossible for the game to do on accident.
It'd definitely be nice to see L Cancelling return. I'm not tremendously fond of it personally, but it would be a nice gesture towards competitive folk.
MrSaturn99
Member
I'd also like a female WarioWare representative,
and since Ashley and Kat/Ana are assist trophies, I guess that just leaves Mona:
The art style is simply charming.
If Ashley didn't make it, neither will Mona.
Personally I preferred it when they actually had irises, but this style is okay too I guess.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Yeah I don't like implications either and honestly, saying people are "pretending" stuff (especially if you just vaguely imply "people" in this thread) is a really good way to make a lot of people feel that way in one fell swoop. If you don't like it happening to you, it'd be really swell if you thought a bit more about how you worded things. :/
Either way , I think you're looking way too hard into why people are reacting the way they are. People like surprising characters, people like RH. We also know that movesets can be enormously surprisingly in a positive (or negative) way.
I personally don't enjoy making up fake movesets for characters at all, but when I heard about a potential RH character (that's an actual music-based char, not just a kung fu guy or something) I got excited over the idea cause it sounds like it could be a surprising & unique addition to Smash.
As other people have said, marshall/the choir guys do visually que people into thinking "Oh those are RH guys!" so they do their part fine as a makeshift mascot. (same with Wii Fit Trainer immediately being recogniseable as "wii fit girl")
I don't see how tons of people being totally okay with this idea somehow makes any of us "pretend" they're the most desired thing ever or that Nintendo is a god that's without fault. It's incredibly rude to just take a (seemingly popular) opinion and outright go and say broad things like that.
It's pretty obvious you outright hate "choir men" as an idea, guess what? Tons of people don't. And they don't have to think Nintendo is flawless to think that.
Brainfreeze
Member
It "literally doesn't make any sense?" What, that people like the idea of a certain character, or that a franchise they enjoy is being represented? I don't understand what you're complaining about here. Do we have to know every single detail before we can say something is a good idea?
I mean..it's an idea, we're not saying "BEAUTIFULLY EXECUTED!" People are saying "that's a cool idea." I would have never considered including that character, so that's where I sit. I'm not sure what you're annoyed with, nobody's stopping you from discussing the move set if you want to get in depth. I'd welcome it.
Neoriceisgood
Member
R0ckman is just throwing strawmen at the thread I think. It's very easy to make people's opinions sound dumb and extreme if you don't specify who supposedly said it.
Troubled Bat
Member
It was a feature added. It was even in the manual for Smash 64. They definitely need to bring it back.
MannyToons
Member
Yep, pretty much. It's strange that the entirety of the WarioWare cast is just ignored and either Assist Trophy'd, or just not in the game at all. I guess we'll just have to wait until Smash 5 before we finally see a Wario franchise newcomer. And we all know who that's gonna be.
Guess I'll do the ranking thing.
1. Villager
2. Greninja
3. Little Mac
4. Wii Fit Trainer
5. Rosalina
6. Mega Man
Villager seems to have the most interesting moveset; the item collecting is what I'm most interested in. Grabbing a Phantom looks amazing, and so does planting trees, and dropping a bowling bomb straight down on opponents.
Mega Man honestly looks boring. I didn't really grow with or play any of his games, and the moves he brings to the table don't seem all that interesting. That Final Smash was cool though.
1. Villager
2. Greninja
3. Little Mac
4. Wii Fit Trainer
5. Rosalina
6. Mega Man
Villager seems to have the most interesting moveset; the item collecting is what I'm most interested in. Grabbing a Phantom looks amazing, and so does planting trees, and dropping a bowling bomb straight down on opponents.
Mega Man honestly looks boring. I didn't really grow with or play any of his games, and the moves he brings to the table don't seem all that interesting. That Final Smash was cool though.
Octorockin'
Member
Here's my ranking:
1. Wii Fit Trainer
2. Greninja
3. Little Mac
4. Mega Man
5. Villager
6. Rosalina & Luma
I love what we've seen for the Wii Fit Trainers. Beating up your opponents with the power of exercise is really funny, and the details shared during the Smash Direct got me even more excited. I like all of the newcomers though.
I hear you. It's gonna require some self-discipline to keep myself from jumping when I play as Little Mac! His fighting mechanics are really interesting and I like the Punch-Out!! series, so I'll probably play as him often.
Also, I have a question for you guys. What songs would you like in Smash 4 as arrangements or kept intact from their original game? Reading C.Olimar's post regarding Rusty's Real Deal Baseball and thinking about some of the songs from the Nintendo direct got me excited about the soundtrack.
Super Training from Pokemon X & Y sounds perfect for Smash Brothers. It could appear in Lumiose City or a Pokemon stage on the Wii U version. The original version would work just fine, but I'm sure a remix would be cool.
I'd love to hear an arranged version of Oki Doki!! from Bowser's Inside Story. The wacky, scrappy spirit of the song would be a great backdrop for a Smash Bros. fight.
An arrangement of Rock & Roll from MOTHER 3 would be a fun inclusion. I can just imagine this song playing with all kinds of crazy items being thrown around on a stage.
1. Wii Fit Trainer
2. Greninja
3. Little Mac
4. Mega Man
5. Villager
6. Rosalina & Luma
I love what we've seen for the Wii Fit Trainers. Beating up your opponents with the power of exercise is really funny, and the details shared during the Smash Direct got me even more excited. I like all of the newcomers though.
I hear you. It's gonna require some self-discipline to keep myself from jumping when I play as Little Mac! His fighting mechanics are really interesting and I like the Punch-Out!! series, so I'll probably play as him often.
Also, I have a question for you guys. What songs would you like in Smash 4 as arrangements or kept intact from their original game? Reading C.Olimar's post regarding Rusty's Real Deal Baseball and thinking about some of the songs from the Nintendo direct got me excited about the soundtrack.
Super Training from Pokemon X & Y sounds perfect for Smash Brothers. It could appear in Lumiose City or a Pokemon stage on the Wii U version. The original version would work just fine, but I'm sure a remix would be cool.
I'd love to hear an arranged version of Oki Doki!! from Bowser's Inside Story. The wacky, scrappy spirit of the song would be a great backdrop for a Smash Bros. fight.
An arrangement of Rock & Roll from MOTHER 3 would be a fun inclusion. I can just imagine this song playing with all kinds of crazy items being thrown around on a stage.
C.Olimar788
Member
Not that I think we're getting a WarioWare character at this juncture, but what brings you to this conclusion? Mona is more representative of the WarioWare series as a whole, being wacky and erratic herself, and has been in all the games, unlike Ashley. I would definitely say she's a better choice than Ashley.
Red Arremer
Member
Seems like an odd statement.
I think you're basing this on the idea that Ashley has more "moveset potential" because she can cast magic and such?
Because Mona has plenty of things she does in the WarioWare series, as well, she's had a lot of jobs from which she can draw stuff from. I know it's easy to say that WarioWare characters are about equal to each other in terms of importance to the series (aside from Wario obviously), which is true to a lesser extent, but Mona's been in several more games than Ashley has been. Also, it was both Ashley and Mona who got their theme songs in Brawl.
I think out of the potential newcomers for WarioWare, Mona is about as likely, if not more so, than Ashley, though I'd sort both of them behind Jimmy T.
That said, I really doubt we'll get playable WarioWare characters.
Well technically that "kung fu guy" is music based. Almost every character from the games are.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
I think the manual was referring to teching, not Z/L-cancelling.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Oh I know, I mostly mean thematically.
Probably they are not giving you the option, but... what if, in stead, they reduce it a lot!? i mean, what if, when you land (and without presing any button), the lag is like if you L-canceled?? That would be better for people that dont know about L-cancelling than having L-cancelling. It would be like if they already did it...
This has always been my preferred solution, but there's a lot of debate about the effect it has on the skill floor. I don't participate in any FGC talks or competition, but it's a hot topic for whatever reason.
I feel like the game would just be a lot better outright if it wasn't a thing.
Troubled Bat
Member
I take that back, it was on the Smash website for 64.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Yeah! And instead of manually doing combos, they're performed automatically upon landing a hit!
This is not a solution to the problem. Automating techniques in competitive games just dumbs it down.
the game is made "for everyone". Thats one of the reasons why we still have brawl air dodge in the new smash (i would say). So, thats the only way that i can think of for "having" L-canceling
powerdrain
Member
I've not played my copy of RHF yet, but I hope (if the rumours are true that is) that Marshal makes an appearance in the game somehow. The only difference between him and the Chorus Men is the bowtie and that he has fingers, which means he might not look as silly if he were to be playable. I have no idea how he'd play if he were to be a rhythm based fighter, but that could be cool.
Also I really wanted Kat and Ana as a tag team after Brawl's release, and it's true, we haven't seen them yet. I doubt they'll make an appearance, but I love the artstyle that's shared between the two games.
Have we got a list of unconfirmed Assist Trophies?
Also I really wanted Kat and Ana as a tag team after Brawl's release, and it's true, we haven't seen them yet. I doubt they'll make an appearance, but I love the artstyle that's shared between the two games.
Have we got a list of unconfirmed Assist Trophies?
MAtgS
Member
I agree that its not how it "should" be, but, when thinking about it, i think that the game would be better "having" L-canceling (that way) that not having it. I dont know... sorry. I just want something that is not the brawl rute (not having it). The game is ridiculously better with It.
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MannyToons
Member
Nope.
Yeeeees. She would essentially be the first female villain in Smash. That is, unless we end up getting Medusa first.
Red Arremer
Member
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Yeah, I suppose I can agree with that then. It would speed up gameplay!
Yep! Google Translate did a decent enough job.
I never really liked any of the stages from Brawl, but from what I've seen thus far from Smash 4, the stages look great.
However, I have one concern, specifically with the bosses that apparently appear in some of the stages. I really hope there is an option to turn off this feature - if not, I hope the amount of stages that have bosses is relatively small (<5).
I have no problems with passive environmental hazards, but something like a boss that disrupts the fight and changes the dynamic of the battle doesn't appeal to me
Additionally, I hope we'll get a few of the Melee stages back - I would love to see HD versions of Great Bay and Fourside.
However, I have one concern, specifically with the bosses that apparently appear in some of the stages. I really hope there is an option to turn off this feature - if not, I hope the amount of stages that have bosses is relatively small (<5).
I have no problems with passive environmental hazards, but something like a boss that disrupts the fight and changes the dynamic of the battle doesn't appeal to me
Additionally, I hope we'll get a few of the Melee stages back - I would love to see HD versions of Great Bay and Fourside.
MannyToons
Member
As much as I love Syrup, and want her in Smash, she's still not a WarioWare character.
They should really just re-title the WarioWare franchise to just "Wario". That way, there could be wider representation of both Wario Land and Ware, Assist Trophy/Trophy/fighter-wise.
Just noticed I typed "WarioWario". Amazing.
As much as I love Syrup, and want her in Smash, she's still not a WarioWare character.
Waluigi's icon is now wario related instead of mario related lol.
Well, there's always the possibility that there will be less stages since there are two versions.
Yup, combine that number with the insane number of tracks in the Wii u version and we are looking at a record breaking amount of songs in this game between the two versions.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Confirmed New Assist Trophies
Ashley
Chain Chomp
Color TV-Game 15
Dark Samus
Elec Man
Isabella
Midna
Mother Brain
Skull Kid
Confirmed Veteran Assist Trophies
Andross
Devil
Dr. Wright
Knuckle Joe
Lyn
Metroid
Nintendog
Samurai Goroh
Saki
Stafy
Waluigi
Disconfirmed Assist Trophies
Little Mac (Became Playable Character)
Unconfirmed Assist Trophies
Barbara
Excitebikes
Gray Fox (Unlockable)
Hammer Bro
Helirin
Infantry & Tank (Unlockable)
Isaac (Unlockable)
Jeff
Jill
Kat & Ana
Lakitu
MR. Resetti
Ray MK III (Unlockable)
Shadow (Unlockable)
Tingle
Troubled Bat
Member
Such high hopes on that stage count.
MAtgS
Member
They do. Waluigi & Ashley have the same icon.
Green Mamba
Member
That would be pretty lame if the stage count in either version is gimped because of this. I've said it before, but I really hope the two versions don't feel like an incomplete part to a whole that can never be completed.
honestly, I thought the amount of Brawl's music was overkill. It was nice, but damn there were LOTS