fuckin' LOL, that would be amazing.
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fuckin' LOL, that would be amazing.
Haha it's a testament to how often comics have destroyed "death" that we think someone who took two shots to the head is possibly still alive.
I'd rather Ward just be a traitor, because making him be a double agent in way too deep just seems like it would take a whole lot more finesse, writing, and acting ability than the show could muster to make us believe it.
I'd rather Ward just be a traitor, because making him be a double agent in way too deep just seems like it would take a whole lot more finesse, writing, and acting ability than the show could muster to make us believe it.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Let's keep it real: The only reason we think Ward is "infiltrating" despite his heinous actions is because of his relationship with Skye.
Take that away, and I doubt most would come to that conclusion.
Take that away, and I doubt most would come to that conclusion.
I think he'll stay a traitor, but he will be the example of the good guy gone bad based on ideals that he thought were true. He will have reasons beyond the brainwashed "hail hydra" rhetoric.
He will explain this to Skye when they inevitably meet up alone before the end of the season. At least one of them will have a gun pointed at each other, and he will have a moment of almost redemption just before getting capped or arrested.
He will explain this to Skye when they inevitably meet up alone before the end of the season. At least one of them will have a gun pointed at each other, and he will have a moment of almost redemption just before getting capped or arrested.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Love and power of friendship will redeem him. Its Loeb brah.
He killed people.
Yeah, but they don't belong to his group so they're not important. They were standing in the way of the greater good of him banging Skye.
Jay Shadow
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After his switch back using the power of love he'll be set up for a trial, but on the way he'll be needed to do something important that only he can do, and then they'll use that opportunity to completely forget about the murdering.
Bonus points if it involves murdering.
Mutanthands
Member
Nope. No redemption. I'll be pissed beyond measure if they try to redeem him.
He's either going to die, or he's on the way to "recurring villain who raises painful memories" exile. No way he comes back to the Bus.
Mighty Chin
Banned
I have a feeling that there will be a lot of pissed off people.
TacticalFox88
Banned
They wrote themselves into a corner.
There's going to be people pissed off no matter what they do.
Alcoremortis
Member
What if they give Ward superpowers? Imagine, Centipede-fueled Ward.
That's a scary thought.
Or maybe Ward with the Asgardian berserker staff doohickey? Can't really remember where that went, but with SHIELD in dire straits, if it were to be stolen by a couple of Hydra guys, now would be the time to do so.
That's a scary thought.
Or maybe Ward with the Asgardian berserker staff doohickey? Can't really remember where that went, but with SHIELD in dire straits, if it were to be stolen by a couple of Hydra guys, now would be the time to do so.
PoloBlue28
Banned
I think some people are a little too eager to shit on the show. It's gone from mediocre to good to on the cusp of great within the span of a handful episodes. I'd like to think it'll stay good going forward, especially now Hydra are now out of the shadows and into the light.
It's still got a lot of problems (the end of the last episode, for instance, requires Hand to be a grade-A moron after an episode in which she's supremely competent), but they're being covered up by a stronger narrative right now.
Gordon Shumway
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I gotta say..I love this thread, and the constant battle of "murder/justifiable" like a muhfuck.
TacticalFox88
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Or....
They go in a direction we haven't thought about!?
:O
They go in a direction we haven't thought about!?
:O
ElRenoRaven
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So saw Captain America finally and it really ties in with the show well. Gotta say the way Marvel tied the show into it really worked well now that I've seen the movie.
I will say this, the show's plot twists have all been things I myself haven't seen coming. I didn't think that they would turn Mike Petersen into Deathlok during the first half of the season, I didn't think the way they brought Coulson back would be through supposedly Kree blood, and other stuff. So kudos to them, they just need to work on their execution.
Ovek
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Ward could be a agent of A.I.M.
And considering the team keeps running in to tech that shield (and therefore hydra) that's years ahead of them much like the eye tech. It seem likely that aim would be behind it.
PoloBlue28
Banned
Name one show without problems. Also, Hand's death being moronic is debatable. No one saw it coming Ward was Hydra. The man took out 12 men or so by himself in that very same episode. He's a lethal motherfucker.
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Deleted member 13876
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Loeb took a trip to Tahiti.
I dunno, would that many people be pissed if Ward WAS actually irredeemably on Hydra's side with no intentions of going back or redeeming himself in the eyes of Skye? He might like Skye, but I hope that will mostly only lead to some kind of Skye-feels-betrayed-and-wants-to-do-much-bodily-harm-to-Ward drama and not Skye wanting to try to turn Ward back to the good side and Ward having conflicting emotions about his choices.
Fawlty Towers.
She is supposed to be this very smart woman; and she had been checking everyone at the base to see if they were HYDRA. She thought Coulson and his team were HYDRA. And then she decides they're all OK because Coulson isn't HYDRA despite still being wary of Ward because he killed the Clairvoyant.
PoloBlue28
Banned
Eh, don't know it, haven't seen it, and yet I doubt it's without problems. The point is that there's no such thing as the perfect show. A lot of people were writing SHIELD off early on, and now it's - fortunately - getting a lot better. That's a good thing.
Ward was rather believable at the base when he pretended to be utterly shocked his former SO was HYDRA. Hand, trusting Coulson, allowed Ward to be a part of the small party of trustworthy agents to transport Garrett to The Fridge. Sometimes trust kills, and as it turns out, that's probably what happened in Hand's case. I'm still considering the possibility she sacrificed herself, though I admit that's not very likely.
Great???? I don't know man. It rode tws' wave to be good. It isn't anywhere close to great
Hand actually explicitly says when noting her decision to go after Coulson, that Coulson brought a known enemy of SHIELD on his team (Skye) and it was his specialist (Ward) who killed the man suspected of being the clairvoyant. Yet both wander in after Coulson has proven his loyalty with not a word being said by Hand, who completely out of character listens to a sob story from Ward about wanting to put Garrett in the Fridge just because you know dem feelings.
Like a lot of the show, pretty shoddy writing.
TacticalFox88
Banned
I've briefly entertained the idea that Ward might be a descendant of the Red Skull.
Now I sit here disppointed
Now I sit here disppointed
Noisepurge
Member
he actually looked good in the x-ray imaging mode with half of his skull being metal and everything
amazing how the winds of destiny has changed. a week ago folks were calling this the worst thing ever and talking about how Arrow shits on it from upon high. Amazing how a little corporate synergy change minds. Marvel-sama has a plan and they are sticking to and we are better for it.
Well...
I went to see Cap2 yesterday and decided to catch up on the show from episode 10 and onwards (since they stopped airing the show here for some stupid reason) to see how they would go about the whole HYDRA thing.. And man did they deliver! The last few episodes really kept me on the edge of my seat.
I'm one of the (apparent) few who liked the show from the start, and I genuinely really like the whole team, so I was terrified that (knowing that it's still a Whedon show) they would kill off a team member. Turns out they kinda did, sorta. At least Ward going rogue could lead to some interesting things if handled well. And I've gotta say, the scene where HYDRA is revealed through the decrypted transmission has got to be the best reveal scene in a TV-series I've seen since the Dalek transmission in the Stolen Earth on Doctor Who. Well done, suitably ominous and a rather big "shit just hit the fan" moment since I just assumed at the start that the ones behind Centipede were offshoots of AIM (who were kinda boring in IM3).
Though I'm glad that I watched Cap first since it's still superiour to the series and Zola's moment would've been lessened if I'd known about HYDRA beforehand.
I went to see Cap2 yesterday and decided to catch up on the show from episode 10 and onwards (since they stopped airing the show here for some stupid reason) to see how they would go about the whole HYDRA thing.. And man did they deliver! The last few episodes really kept me on the edge of my seat.
I'm one of the (apparent) few who liked the show from the start, and I genuinely really like the whole team, so I was terrified that (knowing that it's still a Whedon show) they would kill off a team member. Turns out they kinda did, sorta. At least Ward going rogue could lead to some interesting things if handled well. And I've gotta say, the scene where HYDRA is revealed through the decrypted transmission has got to be the best reveal scene in a TV-series I've seen since the Dalek transmission in the Stolen Earth on Doctor Who. Well done, suitably ominous and a rather big "shit just hit the fan" moment since I just assumed at the start that the ones behind Centipede were offshoots of AIM (who were kinda boring in IM3).
Though I'm glad that I watched Cap first since it's still superiour to the series and Zola's moment would've been lessened if I'd known about HYDRA beforehand.
TacticalFox88
Banned
This show has the potential to pass Arrow, comfortably in quality.
The question of whether it actually will do it...well...yeah.
It's almost Tuesday already and this topic is still consistently on the front page. That's gotta say something right? But yeah. It could pass Arrow, which I love was too much, but it's just a matter of these last few episodes. I just hope the quality doesn't skyrocket up and then the ratings don't reflect it. These are the kind of things that need to keep trucking along for everyone to fall in line.
HYDRA agents managed to infiltrate SHIELD for years, but someone acting shocked once is enough to convince her? She knows they even got people in the agent 9 and 10 layer, people she has known for years and worked with closely. Ward is someone she hardly knows and distrusted.
Most people mentionning Arrow here are bitter SHIELD fans that react badly to valid criticism.
Jest Chillin
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Except just as there were agents who were Hydra.. there were agents who weren't. And seeing as how Coulson proved he wasn't Hydra and Ward didn't try to take out Coulson or any of that team, a reasonable amount of trust would be likely. Remember that Triplett and an entire squad under squad under Garrett weren't Hydra, so Ward is just as likely not to be SHIELD as any of them.
He didn't try to take out Coulson, May, Fitz, Skye and half a security legion that was walking by escorting other HYDRA candidates. That must mean he can't be HYDRA? Someone like Hand shouldn't take that as fact, unless of course she got cocky.
Jest Chillin
Member
What else is she supposed to go on? There's no fool proof Hydra test to give in that situation. She can't afford to be that distrustful in the middle of a war like that. As much as one would think she should be extra cautious, SHIELD needs bodies to stand a chance against that level of Hydra infiltration.
I would say only take the people she trusted from earlier in the episode? Or don't hand the guy you don't completely trust a gun at the moment he happily accepts taking out another credible source? Honestly, that last thing should be a rule for everyone in life: don't hand a gun to people you don't trust and ask them to use it.
Jest Chillin
Member
Well yeah, that was obviously a terrible decision by any measure. Even if Ward didn't turn on her and actually just shot Garrett it would've been a terrible decision. But trusting Ward in general was perfectly fine.
Agent Carter would be the best show ever. I've missed the feeling of following a huge fictional universe since Halo went to doodoo land.
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