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[BJWanlund]

Flame shield up, here we go:

1) I haven't enjoyed a handheld Pokemon game that WASN'T a remake since Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (excluding X & Y so far as I haven't got around to it yet). ALL the 'original' Pokemon games after RSE were freaking dreadful and same-y and way less than enjoyable. (handheld, NOT console. that's a different beast)

2) I actually really like my Wii U so far.

3) I admit it I hate what TotalBiscuit has called the "modern military shooter" genre. I can NOT get into any "online shooter" of that type that is named Battlefield or Call of Duty. Sorry, I can't.

4) I think Chu Chu Rocket is about 150x better with buttons (as I played the GBA version with only two usable buttons at any time and LIKED it). None of this touch screen malarkey.

5) VGCW is quite possibly the greatest livestreamed show ever. Better than Twitch Plays Pokemon by a MILE. Surprising that hasn't already been wholly played out yet while VGCW (and to a lesser degree WVGCW) is quite possibly the greatest livestreamed show known to man that only a couple thousand people really know about and/or watch, which is a serious shame.

 

[antitrop]

Consoles are hardware DRM boxes which have no other reason for existence than enabling playing games for people who are too dumb to maintain a gaming PC.

I've long considered myself primarily a PC gamer, but consoles were convenient during my time in military, due to their simple mobility. I did have a gaming laptop for a while, but everyone knows gaming laptops are shit.

 

[Some Nobody]

It is extraordinarily expensive to develop for 2, 3, or 4 platforms all at once. As a result, the benefits primarily extend only to large companies that can afford that kind of divvying up of resources. Nintendo attempted to provide something that actually justified the hardware investment, but it has increasingly become less significant as developers shy away from forcing themselves to lock their gameplay to what is now effectively non-standard hardware (Wii Remotes, Kinects, PSMoves).

Also, "costing too much" is pretty much a non-argument for PCs. They are cheaper and actually scalable, both things consoles no longer have over and above them.

You guys always say this, but I've never seen a convincing argument for it.

 

[Chettlar]

You guys always say this, but I've never seen a convincing argument for it.

The upfront cost is indeed more than a console, but in the long run, it's much cheaper. Several people have made posts doing the math.

 

[TC McQueen]

You guys always say this, but I've never seen a convincing argument for it.

I think it's possible to do an AMD rig that's about the price of console, but that assumes you don't care about emulation and aren't playing old games that might have stuff that works better on Nvidia.

 

[Some Nobody]

The upfront cost is indeed more than a console, but in the long run, it's much cheaper. Several people have made posts doing the math.

I've seen posts that talk about Steam sales, and a lot of them that just assume you have an up to date PC and just need a decent GPU, which is an erroneous assumption to begin with.

I guess the argument is easier to make now with PS+, though.

 

[BinaryPork2737]

Not sure how controversial this even is, but I think Pokemon Colosseum and XD are really great games and some of the most entertaining GC games.

I also think that Black and White are the worst mainline Pokemon games.

 

[drtomoe123]

I'd love to know how many of the so called Souls fans played the original game on day one. Having never played a Souls game before (nor having read or watched walkthroughs), Demon's Souls was a very tough game for everyone. Yes, you could master it, but you are speaking shit if you call the game easy.

It's pretty common for people to finish a tough game and then whip their dick out and say they breezed through it. And this earns you nothing by the way.

Sorry, but some of us have actually played the other games that FROM has put out over the past 20+ years and a lot of them (aka King's Field) employ the same tactics as the Souls series.

Some of us knew what to expect.

 

[Cyrano]

You guys always say this, but I've never seen a convincing argument for it.

And regardless of any argument made, it's never going to be significant enough for those who are in love with consoles.

Not going to fault that, but in terms of cost and benefit, a PC will always be the far better investment.

 

[Massa]

I'm with Durante in saying that a no console future would be better for the gaming industry and consumers. Given how many game developers are moving towards PC, I would say that the gaming industry probably also agrees, but have to cede to backwards thinking.

Durante's elitist argument is that millions of people are too stupid to use a PC instead of console, not that the gaming industry is better off without their billions of dollars.

 

[Cyrano]

Durante's elitist argument is that millions of people are too stupid to use a PC instead of console, not that the gaming industry is better off without their billions of dollars.

Regardless of what happens to consoles or other hardware in the future, the game industry is always going to find the money. Big companies will likely continue to find it in consoles because now more than ever, they are a product for a specific audience.

 

[beast786]

Sorry, but no.

I get that this is the controversial opinion thread, but what you're arguing is a bit more than opinion. Last gen MS was the reason Sony got its head out of its ass. This gen it was vice-versa. One Console means the console creator gets to do what it wants--this isn't a workable situation.
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I play console to play games and ease of it. I don't care about hardware monopoly but I would if it was software monopoly.

I would look at it in action. ps2 probably had the biggest monopoly type domination in any generation which lead to probably the best lineup.

Gaming is not essential, if sony or nin or ms do get there ass in head then by default consume will response. now to play I have to buy 3 freaking consoles and pay for two online.thats more than thousand dollars with about hundred bucks a every year. Even with monopoly state sony 600 buck all in one console would have been a bargain

 

[vicoakland]

-most people's nostalgia/fanboy/girlism is rooted in their feelings about their own life and not hardware or software
-some of the best video games work a graph where x = keep moving forward/learning and y = keep thinking/improvising/applying what you've learned. If you don't enjoy, or aren't good at this dynamic, then maybe you should consider that factor before you harshly judge a game that is based on it
-the best games trigger channels that our hunter/gatherer ancestors would understand and thrive on, that's why we like them, they trigger the caveman/woman within
-on one level, video games are made by and for essentially lonely, smart people.
-if you haven't gamed on a CRT in the dark, you don't know what you're missing

 

[Chettlar]

I've seen posts that talk about Steam sales, and a lot of them that just assume you have an up to date PC and just need a decent GPU, which is an erroneous assumption to begin with.

I guess the argument is easier to make now with PS+, though.

Seeing as I indeed have a decent gaming PC, and know from experience that that is not an erroneous assumption (since it's kind of not an assumption at all, being the very thing on which I am typing at this moment), I'm going to have a hard time agreeing with you.

 

[Piscus]

I think the Wii U Pro Controller is the best controller out there right now.

 

[un1que]

1. I've tried and tried but I just can't get into a pokemon game. Don't understand the obsession. Feels like there's no point to it. Just feels like I'm wasting my time when I could be playing a proper game.

2. Same goes for animal crossing.

3. Although I'd love to get on the bandwagon I Don't see the appeal of dark souls. Plays like crap.

4. Chrono trigger isn't nothing special (note: played when the 360 was about. Would probably have a different opinion if I'd played it during the snes era)

5. Half life 2 is very over rated.

6. Xbox one is a disappointment. (I was a 360 whore last gen so I'm no fanboy)

7. Sony is killing it with the ps4, ps plus, cross buy.

8. Sonic the hedgehog is awful, all of them. There's no skill to the game. Its just a case of Hold right until you hit something then press jump.

9. Games with realistic dull colour palettes can ruin a game and make it less fun.

10. The new kinect is only a SLIGHT improvement over the first one. It's still a temperamental mess most the time.

 

[Weltall Zero]

• I think the Zelda, Final Fantasy, and Mass Effect games are above and beyond overrated.

More like they were awesome at some point, and now have gone downhill (Zelda is still decent to good, while Final Fantasy has gone to shit).

 

[Some Nobody]

Seeing as I indeed have a decent gaming PC, and know from experience that that is not an erroneous assumption (since it's kind of not an assumption at all, being the very thing on which I am typing at this moment), I'm going to have a hard time agreeing with you.

It's an erroneous assumption because most people don't have a decent PC to begin with. Hell, I know how to put computers together just fine, but I haven't actually done so since 2010. My motherboard doesn't support RAM past 4GB, and the CPU is like dual core. My laptop (which isn't terribly impressive either, but still better than that) blows it out of the water.

New controversial opinion: XP systems and customization in most games add more than they take away. For the most part, "giving you all the stuff at the beginning" pretty much leads to a player finding the cheapest shit and spamming it from the moment they find it until the credits roll.

 

[The Albatross]

Bioshock Infinite actually has very good combat.

I legitimately feel like a large portion of the people who say it has bad combat either just ignored Vigors and didn't try to experiment at all or just don't like shooters.

Problem was, you could win the whole game using the first weapon you get and the first vigor you get. No guns were as effective as the shotgun and machine gun. Not a hallmark of a great shooter

 

[Chettlar]

Problem was, you could win the whole game using the first weapon you get and the first vigor you get. No guns were as effective as the shotgun and machine gun. Not a hallmark of a great shooter

Nonsense. You could finish the entirety of any of the Halo games and definitely all of the Gears of War games carrying at least one of the weapons you start out with all the way through.

I only switched out my lancer, what, maybe three times in Gears III, and all of those were entirely optional.

It's an erroneous assumption because most people don't have a decent PC to begin with. Hell, I know how to put computers together just fine, but I haven't actually done so since 2010. My motherboard doesn't support RAM past 4GB, and the CPU is like dual core. My laptop (which isn't terribly impressive either, but still better than that) blows it out of the water.

New controversial opinion: XP systems and customization in most games add more than they take away. For the most part, "giving you all the stuff at the beginning" pretty much leads to a player finding the cheapest shit and spamming it from the moment they find it until the credits roll.

You have an awful computer, just sayin.

Mine has a single 8GB stick, a high end motherboard, and an 8-core CPU. Cost me $700 including the other parts, just $200 over the cost of an Xbox One. Seeing as how I've gotten several games for PC a good $20 cheaper than they are at launch for consoles, by the time I buy 10 games, a console gamer who also has bought 10 games, will have spent the same amount of money as money all told.

No wonder lots of PC gamers have literally thousands of games in their steam library.

 

[Chettlar]

Blech. Second double post this week.

 

[HeHasRisen]

The Wiimote + nunchunk is the best control scheme and a breath of fresh air.

Nintendo should have kept it as its main control scheme for the Wii U but with improvements such as a better speaker on the Wiimote.

It's really too bad the Wiimote is no longer pushed. I think there are lot of gameplay possibilities that could have been realized. So much potential lost.

 

[Eusis]

Ubisoft games are essentially all the same game with just enough art asset difference to hide that fact.

Far Cry 3, Assassins Creed, Tomb Raider, Watch Dogs.

Capture points. Fill bars.

hell, even the terrain from far cry, assassins creed and tomb raider look the same.

Tomb Raider aside (bwa hahaha) I was playing AC4, got to the point where I'm carving up animals for crafting materials, and thought "son of a bitch this is just like what Far Cry 3 did. They really DO homogenize their design and proudly tote it around." It kind of seems when it comes to the AAA Ubisoft games it's all about how you want to control your character and what setting you want to play it, though at least AC4 didn't feel like a Far Cry 3 mod like Fallout 3 felt like an Oblivion Mod (and yeah, there's Blood Dragon but when you have FAR CRY 3 in the title that's to be expected, it's almost literally advertised as an official mod!)

Anyways, AC4 is kind of surreal to play. The real life bits from the initial parts feel like a setup for a meta commentary about their own company, and if unintentional that makes it vaguely offputting. I had to skip the multiplayer introduction too because that just got under my skin.

 

[DJSebolski]

Witcher 2 is an ugly game

 

[Some Nobody]

You have an awful computer, just sayin.

Mine has a single 8GB stick, a high end motherboard, and an 8-core CPU. Cost me $700 including the other parts, just $200 over the cost of an Xbox One. Seeing as how I've gotten several games for PC a good $20 cheaper than they are at launch for consoles, by the time I buy 10 games, a console gamer who also has bought 10 games, will have spent the same amount of money as money all told.

No wonder lots of PC gamers have literally thousands of games in their steam library.

1.) No shit.

2.) I'm planning to build a new one but it'll set me back something like a grand.

3.) 8GBs? No offense, but that's a joke. If you haven't noticed, min reqs are increasing by a ton, and that's just on cross-gen games. Arkham Knight's reqs will be something stupid, and so will TW3's most likely.

4.) I don't even buy games at full price in practical situations. Why would I do so in this fictional comparison? I use sales and lowered prices too.

5.) Lots of PC games need to work on their decision making skills. Every "I'll never finish my backlog" post I see makes me roll my eyes. My goal is to finish every game that I own, not build a neverending list that I can barely put a dent in.

 

[sciencerob]

I think the average skill level is lower for MOBA than RTS.
I don't think Nintendo is doomed.
I think most people who post about TLOU being a bad game are trying to get reactions.
FF13 was a good game and Lightning was not a horrible character.
A good story trumps frame rate and game mechanics.

 

[RM8]

PS1 >>>> PS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS3

Street Fighter EX games get way too much hate, they're pretty cool.

Vita and WiiU are so lacking exclusive-wise they're pretty much Ouya territory (obviously numbers-wise - Mario or Uncharted > Any possible Ouya exclusive there might be).

Handhelds, PC and consoles are all cool. Heck, there are fun mobile games too. It's good that we have different platforms.

 

[Eusis]

It looks like a PSP game.

Spoiler

... If you somehow cranked up everything by magnitudes BUT didn't get rid of that damn dithering.

 

[impact]

The 3DS is terrible. The Vita is slightly less terrible.

 

[Odrion]

3.) 8GBs? No offense, but that's a joke. If you haven't noticed, min reqs are increasing by a ton, and that's just on cross-gen games. Arkham Knight's reqs will be something stupid, and so will TW3's most likely.

So buy 64gbs of it for like three dollars. Ram is dirt cheap.

 

[Some Nobody]

So buy 64gbs of it for like three dollars. Ram is dirt cheap.

Yeah, that's not hyperbole at all.

 

[Odrion]

Yeah, that's not hyperbole at all.

"Oh man, is that really true? I got to get in on this!"

*searches on newegg*

"THAT MOTHERFUCKING LIAAAAAAAAAAAAAR."

But yeah, it's like $30 for every 4 gigs of ram. Silly cheap and it's like the last thing you'll ever need to upgrade in a computer.

 

[Some Nobody]

"Oh man, is that really true? I got to get in on this!"

*searches on newegg*

"THAT MOTHERFUCKING LIAAAAAAAAAAAAAR."

lol. You believed your own hype?

Because as someone who was trying to upgrade to a computer with at least 16GBs of RAM, I had an idea of what just that much would set me back.

Edit:

But yeah, it's like $30 for every 4 gigs of ram. Silly cheap and it's like the last thing you'll ever need to upgrade in a computer.

Anything less than 16GBs if you're trying to future proof is a waste of time, so you're talking $120-130. Not really "cheap" IMO.

 

[Logoth]

Mass Effect 3's ending did not "ruin the game". The entire game was dogshit.

Bravely Default is a highly overrated jRPG who's story follows the most generic of formulas. It's only saving grace is an OK battle system.

Final Fantasy XIV is not a good MMORPG. The final hope of the MMORPG genre died when Guild Wars 2 was a disappointment.

Hyper Light Drifter is a piece of shit that lifted it's aesthetic practically wholesale from the superior Radio the Universe
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1548272412/radio-the-universe-0

Borderlands is not a good series. It doesn't even do what it's trying to do well for fuck's sake.

Lords of Shadow is bad. All of them bad. All of them.

Egoraptor is not funny. Holy shit he is not funny. Please god save me. I can't.


Phew, thanks!

 

[Odrion]

Anything less than 16GBs if you're trying to future proof is a waste of time, so you're talking $120-130. Not really "cheap" IMO.

$130 is really cheap compared to the rest of the parts you'll be buying.

I'll be the first to say that building a PC isn't the cheapest thing ever. But as a guy who likes customization and the ability to modify, it's my favorite kind of investment.

edit: although I'll bet in two years you'll be able to build a $500 machine that'll run a whole lot of current gen games smoothly. PC Gaming is like that, right now is that transitioning phase where the requirements will spike a bit and then flatten out to a "normal" until the next console cycle.

 

[RE_Player]

The only way to play Persona 3 is on the PSP with the female protagonist. Any other version is wrong.

 

[Dice]

I hate MOBAs. Everything about them is passive-aggressive.

-I hate fighting by dicking around to get last hits on creeps. It's so indirect and inane.
-I hate fucking around with a shop with dozens of items in the middle of a game with a million things happening.
-I hate how both of those require deep research outside of the game if you want to have any hope of making proper and timely use of them in-game.
-I hate how you compete with your own team for exp/gold/powers so you either have to be friends or discuss how you'll do shit for an hour so nobody gets pissed at each other.
-I hate how everyone acts in the moment so they get pissed at each other anyway.
-I hate how there are so many different characters with unique abilities and so the only way to properly engage with them is to simply know what they are capable of, which is knowledge only acquired outside the game or through playing hundreds of games. It's different from the same in fighting games, because those are solely about immediately testing each others abilities in full.
-I hate how you have different roles and winning or losing depends on the proper applications of those roles, but unlike RTS games, the awareness of what is happening in each and how to carry the pacing is split between separate people so everything must be communicated and understood on the fly.
-I hate how this makes everything in the game meta yet nobody can see or control the meta, making every important aspect of playing it a passive-aggressive act, which draws in those kind of people, creating a toxic environment in all but a committed serious team of people who play with each other regularly.
-I hate how this dispersion of awareness and responsibility allows everyone to blame everyone else for every minor thing, and even pro commentators can't seem to have a clear understanding of what made a win or loss occur upon review.
-I hate how it makes you feel the weight of what is happening all around you, yet every action feels meaningless until it is either nullified or enhanced by outside circumstances. It is just like baseball in this regard, and makes even winning feel disconnected from yourself and unrewarding.

I first researched it a lot, then I only played 4 games. I won them all, but I still hated them all. Because the genre is so popular, including among many of my friends, and because it is annoyingly close to StarCraft 2, I am forced observe the game and the scene and it only shows to me more and more how much I hate it. It takes everything about RTS and shits it up in some way. HotS looks interesting because it strips down all these aspects and makes it more of a "brawler" as they like to put it. I'm not sure how compelling it will be to play compared to other videogames in general, but it at least looks much better than any other MOBA.

 

[Odrion]

Inspired by the post above: Online gaming is much better when there isn't a public chatroom or voicechat. Blizzard knows what's up.

 

[Bel Marduk]

Gaming achieved perfection in 2006 with the release of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. I'm hoping so much that the LoZ Wii U game is a direct sequel.

 

[StrangeADT]

lol. You believed your own hype?

Because as someone who was trying to upgrade to a computer with at least 16GBs of RAM, I had an idea of what just that much would set me back.

Edit:



Anything less than 16GBs if you're trying to future proof is a waste of time, so you're talking $120-130. Not really "cheap" IMO.

So $130 is expensive now? Not much IMO. Especially given that you won't need >16GB until this console generation is over as far as gaming goes. $130 over 5-7 years is only $18-$25 per year. It's nothing. I'm personally looking at upgrading because sometimes I have 15-20 tabs of chrome open + visual studio + maya etc. I do occasionally get messages about being out of RAM at 8 GB.

 

[Cubed]

Killzone: Shadow Fall has the best FPS single-player campaign I've played in years.

For reference, in the last three years, I've played all major AAA FPS' except Crysis 3 and Halo 4.

Gorgeous graphics, varied environments, impactful guns, and solid enemy AI. Not sure what else people wanted for a FPS game. If you want Hollywood-level storytelling you're rarely going to get it in a FPS. The story was coherent, and that's all I was asking from the game in reference to story. It got all the important aspects of a FPS right.

 

[Some Nobody]

So $130 is expensive now? Not much IMO. Especially given that you won't need >16GB until this console generation is over as far as gaming goes. $130 over 5-7 years is only $18-$25 per year. It's nothing. I'm personally looking at upgrading because sometimes I have 15-20 tabs of chrome open + visual studio + maya etc. I do occasionally get messages about being out of RAM at 8 GB.

Well, for me $130 is a good bit of money. Also, I've got confidence this gen will be over inside of 5 years. And I've got a feeling by the end of it 16GBs will be minimum reqs. Who wants that?

 

[Beth Cyra]

Gaming achieved perfection in 2006 with the release of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. I'm hoping so much that the LoZ Wii U game is a direct sequel.

I wouldn't say perfection, but easily the best piece of software Nintendo has ever produced.

I too hope Wii U is a direct follow up to it.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Gaming achieved perfection in 2006 with the release of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. I'm hoping so much that the LoZ Wii U game is a direct sequel.

I love Nintendo to death and I really dislike Twilight Princess, I love how different people can be when it comes to liking/disliking games.

 

[Odrion]

I wonder how much "right time and place" has to do with people liking certain games.

 

[Odrion]

Well, for me $130 is a good bit of money. Also, I've got confidence this gen will be over inside of 5 years. And I've got a feeling by the end of it 16GBs will be minimum reqs. Who wants that?

So in two years that is still three more years. And on top of that everything that came beforehand will look glorious. Definitive Editions? Every game on the PC is the Definitive Edition. :V

 

[Dice]

I love Nintendo to death and I really dislike Twilight Princess, I love how different people can be when it comes to liking/disliking games.

It took like 7 years for Ocarina of Time to grow on me. I still don't see it as one of the greatest games ever like most people seem to, but it is pretty good.

 

[Pro from Dover]

I wonder how much "right time and place" has to do with people liking certain games.

Probably more so than licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I wonder how much "right time and place" has to do with people liking certain games.

Honestly I think this is one of the biggest factors. People try something and if they hate it assume it can only be because it's the worst thing ever.

But I advocate coming back to games (and anything else, books, movies, etc) years later to see what happens. Some might be surprised at their altered reactions. It's especially difficult with games because they're interactive. Players have pre-set expectations for how their current skillset and habits will interact with a game. If the game doesn't play with them, well, a lot of people assume the game is just made wrong. Sometimes that isn't the case.

 

[jurgen]

I think the Half-Life series is poorly written and boring. They're great with the polish and innovation in their presentation, but I couldn't be more uninterested in the story, world, and characters.