Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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CaptainSchwann
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I feel like K.Rool would have so much potentional. And I love playing heavy characters.
BELIEVE
That it would.
We already have flying and fighting types
I'm sticking with the no duplicate types idea. Mewtwo (with Y mega evolution only), and jiggly with normal/fairy.
Karsticles
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What are the most popular X/Y Pokemon? Is there a poll from a major site we can reference for speculation?
Playable Giratina would certainly turn heads.Thank you kindly.
And now:
40 starters and 69 unlockables.
IT'S GENIUS I TELL YOU!
Equally silly if we're we're talking about positions in a roster, considering how important each individual rep is to people reading into the rumors.
Just seems like a big stretch to make to give the second "leak" some amount of credibility.
CaptainSchwann
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There was that interview a while back where Kojima said he hadn't heard anything regarding Snake being in the new Smash. Could've been lying/just not in the loop, but I'll be surprised if he returns.
Sigismundo
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Well there's the terrible IGN poll and taking a 'general consensus' look around the Internet shows that Greninja and Hawlucha (the luchador bird) are the most popular.
Jawmuncher
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That's actually where I lost hope at once. But SmashGAF came out and told me about the same incident basically happened with Sonic. Where Sega didn't know then BOOM announced. Right now I say Snake's chances are 50/50 which is basically in line with all of the other characters fans assume are currently on the chopping block.
balladofwindfishes
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Hawlucha would be a fantastic Pokeball Pokemon to jump out, grab someone and suplex them, but other than that gimmick he would be kind of boring as a character
BassForever
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The whole lucario is a clone thing is silly as they share exactly one move I'll give you that, but as you pointed out every single one of Wolf's specials is based upon Fox/Falco including his final smash. Yes his a moves are largely different but that still makes him a clone even if he's in a style of like Luigi where a lot is changed he is still a clone. Sakura as an example is a clone of Ryu/Ken even if they play nothing alike as they're from the same basic foundation.
Maybe you'd be happier if I said "lucas, wolf, luigi, ganondorf, and falco are all semi clones/luigi style clones" you can add all kinds of terms to make it sound lesser but a clone is still a clone
The fact that Yveltal is more popular than Xerneas on both these polls makes me think a lot of people changed their minds when Mega Charizard X was revealed a month before release. I know I did.
A grapple-based character hardly sounds boring. This reminds me of the people who thought Little Mac would be boring because "All he does is punch."
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Can you provide me the time of video since I can't really hear what's going in the video?
Sigismundo
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Come on, dude, he's a luchador. He has the entire spectrum of fake punchsports at his disposal and all kinds of flippy shit too.
BassForever
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There is no way Kojima "doesn't know" if Snake is in Smash 4 or not. Either Snake is in and Kojima is just doing an "I dunno ask Sakurai" to avoid spoilers, or Snake isn't in the game and its more "I dunno ask Sakurai" as to why he isn't in. If Sakurai had asked Kojima we all know he'd have set yes
CaptainSchwann
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I mean I know the original Metal Gear games were on Nintendo consoles (and Twin Snakes), but it still seems weird having Snake in period. I mean hell, it took Kojima BEGGING Sakurai.
Jawmuncher
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Pretty much this. Thus why he's sitting right on the fence for me.
Could go either way.
True. But after however much begging it was he got in. If anything Snake opened the gates so that characters like Sonic and Megaman could get in. Also from interviews leading up to brawl with Iwata and Sakurai, they were both very pleased with his addition after the fact and what he brought to smash.
I don't consider Luigi to be a clone.
Most people considered the Melee clones to be Dr Mario, Pichu, Falco, Ganondorf, Young Link, and Roy.
Karsticles
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It's definitely not equally silly, but I think your skepticism is reasonable.
That said, even if the leak list is fake, most of what hasn't been confirmed on it is really reasonable. I don't think it's a bad list of potential characters to look forward to even if we disregard it as a leak source.
PontyfaxJr
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I always argue that Luigi isn't a clone because to consider him a Mario clone would be like calling Ken a Ryu clone. I see where you're coming from but at a certain point it's unfair to call a character a clone.
CaptainSchwann
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All this roster talk and I'm reminded no one ever mentions Paper Mario 
. The amount of moveset potential there is ridiculous.
. The amount of moveset potential there is ridiculous.balladofwindfishes
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If Wolf is a clone, than Jigglypuff is also a clone, just in the opposite manner. Nearly all of Jiggly's regular attacks are based on Kirby.
BassForever
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You can have your own definition of a clone, but you're going to have to accept most people aren't going to see it that way. Luigi is the most removed from being a clone yes, but at heart he is still clearly based upon Mario and is a clone the same way Ryu, Ken, and Akuma are clones in SF despite the fact they play nothing alike
Ken and Akuma ARE Ryu clones though
Pop-O-Matic
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Ken IS a Ryu clone, just like 1/3 of the Street Fighter roster.
Which is like, the lamest possible reason a character could be included. Kojima was like, "Hey, Saka-samurai, I want to play Smash with my kid!" And Sakurai's response was like, "Yo dawg, a fan request? I know you like Fill-in-the-blank Snake, so I put a Snake in my Smash!"
Because really, that's what it came down to - and why does that fan request get any more attention than any of the other of thousands of people begging for their favorite character to get in? If the answer is because those people aren't friends with Sakurai, that's... not good.
I think the issue is that no one can agree on the definition of clone. You'll also find that clones are usually categorized by their specials, not their normals/smash attacks.
- To many, it's what Marth / Roy, or Fox / Falco were in melee. Near identical movesets, with varying character/move properties (speed, strength, directionality, etc)
- To others, it's what Link/Toon link are, or what Fox/Falco are in brawl. Similar moveset overall with a few variations and vastly different move properties (as well as different character properties, like speed and strength)
- To some, it's what Captain Falcon/Ganondorf are in brawl, where if all/most of their B moves behave in a similar way, they're a clone. Even wolf/fox fall into this category.
- And to some, if they share even one similar move, even if it behaves very differently, like Mewtwo/Lucario (Aura sphere vs Shadow ball)
There is no established definition, and all of those can be fair interpretations of clone. In 4, it is assumed they used the original character as basis/inspiration for the new one, even though litereally every move was changed, they can theoretically consider them a clone. I'd argue, that if Lucario "reminded" them of mewtwo, they'd consider it a clone.
Since there is no general consensus of the definition of clone (I'd argue 1-3 are kinda valid, where 1 is more of a 'pure' clone, and 3 is a 'loosely inspired by' clone), it's hard to say what anyone means. Maybe we can just come up w/ terminology and also agree that lucario is not a clone
CaptainSchwann
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Apparently Kojima's kid hates MGS. Assumably he was hoping Snake being in Smash would warm his son up to the character/series.
Beaniedude
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Hawlucha is amazing if only because the first time I used Flying Press my jaw hit the ground.
Hawlucha:
B - Flying Press
Up B - Flying Press
Side B - Flying Press
Down B - Flying Press
Final Smash - Roost (recover 50%)
All this roster talk and I'm reminded no one ever mentions Paper Mario
There are enough Mario characters as it is. What we really need is more Pokemon. There aren't enough.
This is right. For Brawl, isn't it true that Kojima went up to Sakurai in order to add Snake?
Final Smash - Roost (recover 50%), followed by Flying Press. If attacked during roost, counterattack with Flying Press.
change Ike and chorus men with Takamaru and Isaac perfect rosterYeah, imgur wasn't working for me so I had to try something else. That let me upload it differently though:
Wow, Takamaru really is the new Geno.
I'd pretty much put this as my final roster guess too, with the biggest what if being Lucas.Apart from the layout, that's identical to the 48 character roster I posted a while back:
I'm kind of hoping for more than 48 characters, though.
theprodigy
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Scooter155
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They all hate him
Poor Lucas.
I want Lucas back.
Seriously though, I understand why people think he'll get cut, I just really think it won't happen unless we get a different Mother series character as a new rep, which, frankly, I'd be down with.
Thank you kindly.
And now:
40 starters and 69 unlockables.
IT'S GENIUS I TELL YOU!
Would main Cubivore.
Lucas was great. I only recently started to play as him. He's pretty unique compared to Ness so I don't think Sakurai would have any reason to remove him. If anything, I say they should increase the amount of reps from Mother.
Thank you kindly.
And now:
40 starters and 69 unlockables.
IT'S GENIUS I TELL YOU!
This list will never happen simply because Ridley will never be a playable character in Smash.
Scooter155
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You're my brother.
Of course he does, I mean it's pretty much assumed they used Brawl itself as the starting point for making Smash 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcOH2ohCRs0 If chorus man/men is a thing, I'd use the ending to Rhythm heaven fever to show what he can do
NHarmonic.
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They all hate him
Poor Lucas.
I want Lucas back.
Seriously though, I understand why people think he'll get cut, I just really think it won't happen unless we get a different Mother series character as a new rep, which, frankly, I'd be down with.
I want him too :/ it was my main. (And represents one of the most creative and interesting franchises, in terms of lore, from nintendo... even if the games are "old")
balladofwindfishes
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- Gameplay wise, Lucas is one of the cloneiest characters in Brawl (except Toon Link).
- Unlike Toon Link, Lucas does not come from one of the largest game series ever made.
- Toon/Young Link has managed to dodge the bullet twice now, because Sakurai feels Zelda needs two different Links in the game for whatever reason.
- Other clones kept between Melee and Brawl were Ganondorf and Falco, the former is the main villain of Zelda and the latter was one of the most popular characters in Smash Bros Melee. And Luigi, but he's not really too much of a clone and he's Luigi...
- Visually, Lucas is pretty boring. He's just Ness with blond hair and missing a backpack.
- Mother really isn't a well known or popular series, it doesn't really need more than Ness.
The difference is he at least has a chance.